RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux
On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:14:59 -0400, George posted: You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and type: $ su $enter password # aptitude update - let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if there are any updates # aptitude safe-upgrade - let it do it’s upgrade # aptitude install sudo let it install sudo # vim /etc/sudoers now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. The new line will look just like the line for root except replace root with your username. You should then be able to use sudo to run root commands. George, You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian system. It is what was asked for, sort of, but he may not have have realized the significance. In addition you didn't advise to do a full-upgrade after the safe-upgrade so it's possible that some packages on the system might not be upgraded. And, you did it with a top-post and with HTML. Please don't top-post and please use text only for the mailing list. Dwain, It is insecure to give a normal user *all* root rights with sudo. Since you could use the Synaptic GUI package manager by entering root password, you could upgrade from there or use the command line tool Aptitude by su to root in the terminal before entering the aptitude commands. Just to be clear dwain, you are talking about a Debian Lenny install aren't you, not one of the *buntu releases? The *buntu releases are configured differently from Debian and included an sudoer, by default with install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to fix where grub boots from
On Mon, 18 May 2009 09:01:34 +0200, Klistvud posted: [...] The first thing I'd try is make the SATA drive bootable (or active) and clearing the active/bootable flag from the ATA drive. This is easiest done by means of a partition editor. But first, check your boot sequence in the BIOS: SATA must come first. Just for correctness, the active flag only mattered to old DOS/Windows MBRs, it doesn't matter to GRUB and I don't think even the Windows bootloader cares any longer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Grub stage1 not found then Error 2 on reboot
On Sun, 17 May 2009 14:25:20 +, Andrew Malcolmson posted: I had a working Lenny install which I somehow hosed while experimenting with Grub. On boot, the message displays 'Grub loading stage 1.5' then 'Error 2'. It might be easier to speculate if you'd tell exactly what you did while experimenting. [...] Question: According to the Grub Manual, Error 2 means this: Bad file or directory type - This error is returned if a file requested is not a regular file, but something like a symbolic link, directory, or FIFO. This is what I find in the GRUB errors: 2 : Selected disk doesn't exist This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full filename refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: bug #350639
On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:31:05 -0700, Freddy Freeloader posted: [...] I have to ask why. Why is this left up every user of testing to fix this problem themselves when the fix is so simple? [...] One possible answer to this question would be that users of testing are supposed to be able to troubleshoot and fix problems in testing. The maintainer may rely on that and not think there is a pressing need to do it. Why can't this fix be uploaded to the Debian repositories? It's not like auto mounting of cd/dvd's and portable usb devices is something hardly anyone does on a daily basis. All I could suggest is to ask the maintainer directly, he may not read this list. The email address is available in the bug report or with the package itself. [...] In my mind there is no good reason for this fix to go into Sid and then sit there until the dependencies are satisfied for that version number. Well, that is the standard flow. I hear you that it isn't convenient for you but it is standard. [...] Testing is what the biggest portion of Debian users have on their desktops. Do you have any documentation to support this, I do understand how you might think that reading lists and forums but I've never seen any documentation of version percentages for desktops. [...] Is the Debian development process in that much trouble, i.e. short of help, or have such unreasonable versioning rules that something this simple can't be fixed promptly? Following the standards is not necessarily an indication of being in trouble, it's an indication of following standards and flow. Stable is the version that is stable, probably in some sense that stability is a result of the Debian flow. This isn't important for your question but I personally don't like to automount, I prefer to mount as I choose and as needed. YMMV. I think I do understand your frustration, and you've got a good example to work with but standards are standards and the flow has given us very good stable Debian for many years, I want it to remain the same. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: network configuration for Eth0
On Sat, 02 May 2009 06:15:04 -0400, Paul Cartwright posted: [...] what I want is a rule tht allows http for my web page to port forward from my router to my desktop, and also allow me to ssh into my desktop from my laptops. If I understand correctly what you asking: You will need to option your router to port forward port 80 requests from the WAN interface to the static IP Address of the computer on your LAN you want them to go to. If those laptops are in your LAN, you will have to option firestarter on the computer in question to allow connections on service port 22 from your laptops in your LAN IP Address range. If those laptops are on the WAN (Internet), you will have to option the router to port forward port 22 requests to the static IP Address of the computer on your LAN you want them to go to. In case I misunderstood you, I agree with Andrei, this thread has strayed far enough from the original topic to be worthy of starting a new thread. In any case, I advise you do that to make sure enough people look at it for good peer review. [...] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: network configuration for Eth0
On Fri, 01 May 2009 05:36:06 -0400, Paul Cartwright posted: I seemed to have a problem with my static setup of eth0 that stopped my debian lenny setup from coming up correctly. This doesn't tell us anything that we could use to troubleshoot. Do you mean the system doesn't come up or just doesn't come up the way you want it? I kept getting errors in logs. If you would detail the errors, it might be easier to make a troubleshooting decision of what to check first. To redo my network config, just eth0, what is the best way to do it. I tried dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown, but that didn't change the interfaces file. this is what I had that didn't work: #static setup #auto eth0 #iface eth0 inet static #address 192.168.10.103 #netmask 255.255.255.0 #broadcast 192.168.10.255 here is what I have now: what's wrong with it? Do you by any chance have network-manager running on the system? I agree with Celejar, did you leave part of your description out or do you mean that it is now blank? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing xfce 4.6 on Lenny
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:48:48 -0400, Rob McBroom posted: On 2009-Apr-29, at 2:40 AM, Magnus Pedersen wrote: I wouldn't mix stable and testing, get XFCE from backports if it is available or run testing. Someone on another list once told me: As long as you can install the package from Debian unstable directly on stable, which has always been the case, it's against the policy of backports.org to accept an upload. Any truth to that? It would explain why XFCE isn't there. But for a very few exceptions (security related) backport packages come from packages in testing, not unstable. That is backport policy. If a package from another branch can be installed directly in Lenny (stable), no dependency issues, then there is nothing to backport, eh? So there wouldn't be a reason for the package to be in the backports repository. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian and ubuntu
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:17:37 -0500, Mark Allums posted: [...] :) ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian and ubuntu
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:40:47 -0500, Mark Allums posted: paragasu wrote: ubuntu == debian testing, if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable. ubuntu = debian unstable Ubuntu=(a snapshot of Debian unstable at the time)!=Debian unstable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: livecd accessibility
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:51:38 -0700, Don Raikes posted: Hi all: Sorry for the cross-posting, but I wasn't sure which list would be better for this question. Does the current i386 livecd have any accessibility support enabled in it? Is either orca, or brltty installed and/or running on boot? I had a look at the packages list for the 5.0 i386 live CD ISO and neither orca or britty showed up in a search. Searching for accessibility , I find kdeaccessibility, The ATK accessibility toolkit, and GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library. Can't answer your question but maybe that data can help in your quest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: regarding upgrade
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:31:47 -0400, machiner posted: Reply to: edua...@kalinowski.com.br Original Message Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:21:51 -0300 RE: Re: regarding upgrade [See Original Message Below] They do reappear after a grub update. Personally, I usually remove an unused kernel because I run a tight ship. - On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:21:51 -0300 edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: machiner wrote: Sorry, I think I'm replying to Paul instead of the OP, but I deleted that original post from my email. If you don't want to remove the kernel you're not using for whatever reason, just edit: /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment out the 8 lines that comprise the 2 kernel options of the kernel image you don't want to use. This will not allow you to use the kernel (which is OK if you don't need it), but they are still in your HD taking up space. Also, I think they will reappear if update-grub is called, which happens when a kernel is installed or removed, for example. Whether they appear or not (or more precisely, how many of them appear) after the update-grub script is run is controlled by the option howmany in the options for the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST in your /boot/grub/menu.lst. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: problems installing lenny on dell laptop
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:55 -0700, Don Raikes posted: Hi all, I am a blind user of lenny. I installed lenny using my braille display without a problem onto my gateway desktop system. However, when I boot the lenny dvd or cd on my dell latitude d600 laptop, it is not recognizing the usb connection to either my external keyboard or braille display until well into the install process. Since the usb is not recognized, the installer does not give me a choice of a text-only install it only has the graphhical install. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. BTW: I had created a livecd from my lenny install on the desktop and it boots up fine with usb support at the appropriate point on the laptop. The remastersys-installer doesn't allow me to select the laptop's hard drive so I can't install from there. On my D600 there is a BIOS option for USB emulation (USB keyboard, USB mouse and USB floppy drive), on the BIOS setup which is reached by pressing F2 while the laptop boots, it's on page 4 of the setup. It might be worth trying to change that option and see if it makes a difference. I can't say because I've never tried the D600 with a USB keyboard, I installed with the laptop keyboard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iptables - computer hangs
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:36:59 +0200, Erik Xavior posted: [...] 1) First I removed the network-manager, to be sure, it doesn't do anything: apt-get remove --purge -y network-manager-gnome network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp-gnome network-manager-vpnc-gnome This looks to me like you removed the Gnome tray applet for NetworkManager and other Gnome bits but not the network-manager package itself. Is that what you were intending? [...[ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Sid
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:59:04 +0100, Lisi Reisz posted: I am planning to install Sid on a test machine. I may set up a dual or triple boot with other distros I want to look at, so being able to control the partitions is important. Googling, and searching the Debian site, seem to suggest that the best way of going about this would be to download a daily build of the installer and install from it; then immediately after installation, edit the sources.list to replace testing with unstable, aptitude update, (aptitude upgrade?), aptitude dist-upgrade. All comments and advice welcomed! That looks like the correct method Lisi. I would advise that you set up partitions for the OSs that you want to test at the beginning and leave them blank until you use them but you can always repartition later if that suits you better. Probably 10G is sufficient for each test partition, you aren't going to be saving a lot of important files in your ~homes. You might even want to dedicate a partition for backup so you could have an easy online backup for the times you trash your test system while trying to fix it, just restore from backup and try again. ;-) Are you familiar enough with troubleshooting problems and do you have a good enough understanding of how packages migrate down to deal with issues in the unstable branch? Are you currently running stable or testing? Go for it, you have nothing to lose and lots you can learn on a machine dedicated to test OSs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:22:59 +0200, Dirk posted: Randy Kramer wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or test? Randy Kramer unstable.. if it was already in stable i wouldn't bother complaining here because it would be too late... Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers list rather than a users one. Of course, they might not like the way you explain your complaint. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: etch to lenny upgrade - X apps no longer see keystrokes?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:44:42 +1000, Graham Williams posted: Received Thu 09 Apr 2009 9:12pm +1000 from Thorny: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:10:41 +1000, Graham Williams posted: Have just upgraded a fairly vanilla etch install on a Dell Precision 690 (AMD64) with an nvidia graphics chip. All seemed to proceed well, but on reboot and starting up GDM, most key presses result in the screen resolution changing - I can't login! After quite a bit of research and attempts to determine what is going on, I have run out of ideas! Ctrl-Alt-f1, etc, do not function. The simplest way I've figured out to log on is through single user mode. Keyboard works just fine there. Booting into a Red Hat partition is also just fine. I've created a .xinitrc which only runs xev so I can see what keys it is seeing. When I run with video driver as nv (in /etc/X11/xorg.conf) xev is not seeing any keyboard activity. Changing to vga at least I can see that xev gets the keystrokes (but the screen is not usable). Changing to vesa exhibits the same behaviour as nv - that is, no keys reported by xev, and any key press seems to change the screen resolution. With the nv driver (xserver-xorg-video-nv) I can seeverything on the screen. Mouse and menus work. Ctl-Alt-Backspace works (to terminate X11). But most other keys simple cause this screen resolution change. Any ideas? When you upgraded from etch to lenny did you follow the release notes for upgrading? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes If not, have a look now and see if anything you did might have caused trouble, and then determine if there is any way you can back out gracefully and redo things. Thanks Thorny. Yes I did follow the release notes in upgrading and have been trawling through the upgrade-lenny.script file and my wajig log for clues. Trying to purge various X and friends and reinstalling (and trying to stay with stable rather than testing or sid because this is a test upgrade for a bunch of servers deployed in production). no luck yet. Trying to stay with stable rather than... Were you trying to do a dist-upgrade with testing and unstable repositories in your sources list? You would probably be better advised to switch to codename, lenny in your sources list and/or not have testing or unstable available. Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote but you may now have a mixed system which might not be trivial to recover from. Are you sure you followed the release notes correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disabling RSA host key check temporarily
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:02:23 +0300, Dotan Cohen posted: Thank you, Ken, I am aware of that list and subscribe to it. That list is great for Microsoft bashing, discussing animal-themed backgrounds twice a year, and bikesheding. Technical issues are understood by a overwhelmed and outvoiced minority there. Which is quite why I posted my question here. Humm, would you care to repeat this over on those lists? Res would agree with you. Yes, I have mentioned that on the [k]ubuntu lists. Those lists have their place, and I have learned a lot from them, but I subscribe there more to help than to be helped. Which is sad because my knowledge level is not very high, and I have to be careful not to give bad advice. I usually answer the non-technical questions only. Which is quite why I mentioned the bikesheding on those lists. I'm a part of it, I admit. You need to identify what distro you are using because there are differences among them (this includes branches of Debian) which can make a difference in what specific advice is given. It's not up to the poster asking for help to decide if the issue is generic or not, posters asking for help often misjudge things, the poster should give clear, correct, and, as far as possible, complete data about the environment and the problem. This is nothing about elitism, that is another issue. While your point is valid, ... If it is valid, it is valid, there is no yes but... ...if there is a difference then I would actually like to learn the Debian way and then fit that to any specific problem with Ubuntu. My point was, that without knowing which OS you are using, the advice given may not work as expected. There is no guarantee that the person asking for help will be able to adapt the advice, that's why they were here asking for help in the first place, that, and the fact, in many cases, that they can't figure out how to adapt when they google for advice on an issue. You should state which OS and version you are using when asking for help. Out of respect for those trying to help. There is also the point about Ubuntu users being perceived as below-average competence that I would like to avoid. Well, Dotan, I haven't seen much of the perception you mention, I have seen people asking simple questions for which there are simple answers available looking like newbies but rarely, these days, do people react in a mean fashion toward them. I have good reasons for using Ubuntu (For one, it installs with no problems on my laptop. For another, I install it for friends for whom Debian is not appropriate.) but Debian is my home. All the more reason to state you're using Ubuntu, you're in the class that needs more help configuring a system, make it easier on the people trying to help you, let them know what the environment is so they don't waste time typing answers that won't help you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: etch to lenny upgrade - X apps no longer see keystrokes?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:10:41 +1000, Graham Williams posted: Have just upgraded a fairly vanilla etch install on a Dell Precision 690 (AMD64) with an nvidia graphics chip. All seemed to proceed well, but on reboot and starting up GDM, most key presses result in the screen resolution changing - I can't login! After quite a bit of research and attempts to determine what is going on, I have run out of ideas! Ctrl-Alt-f1, etc, do not function. The simplest way I've figured out to log on is through single user mode. Keyboard works just fine there. Booting into a Red Hat partition is also just fine. I've created a .xinitrc which only runs xev so I can see what keys it is seeing. When I run with video driver as nv (in /etc/X11/xorg.conf) xev is not seeing any keyboard activity. Changing to vga at least I can see that xev gets the keystrokes (but the screen is not usable). Changing to vesa exhibits the same behaviour as nv - that is, no keys reported by xev, and any key press seems to change the screen resolution. With the nv driver (xserver-xorg-video-nv) I can seeverything on the screen. Mouse and menus work. Ctl-Alt-Backspace works (to terminate X11). But most other keys simple cause this screen resolution change. Any ideas? When you upgraded from etch to lenny did you follow the release notes for upgrading? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes If not, have a look now and see if anything you did might have caused trouble, and then determine if there is any way you can back out gracefully and redo things. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disk drive recovery help
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:50:37 -0700, tony mollica posted: Thorny wrote: On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:38:26 -0700, tony mollica posted: Thorny wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:29:16 -0700, tony mollica posted: Hello. Need a little help with a disk drive. Until today, my external storage drive was working fine using Debian 4.0 (latest updates) and ext2 file system. It's a 180Gig drive divided into 3 partitions, 1 primary and 2 logical, sdg1, sdg5 and sdg6, for example. I did two things, after which the drive acts unusual. It powers up but takes a few minutes, then automounts only the third partition(sdg6). I can mount the second partition manually(sdg5), but the first, and only, primary partiton(sdg1) isn't found. cfdisk shows all partitions normally. I can e2fsck 5 and 6, but not 1. dmesg shows a read error in the sector that partition 1 begins. Can't access sdg1 at all, tried several different disk programs to access the partition. Back to the two things. I tried to change the disk label, unsuccessfully, and there was a call to check the partition, so I unmounted it and e2fsck'd it. Now I can only get to 2 of the 3 partitions. Everything seems to be there, but it won't recognize the first and only primary partition. All the sector numbers seem to match using gpart, lde, cfdisk and fdisk. Looking for suggestions to find the error in the first partition. Just to clear up a misconception, you have to have a primary partition to hold the logical partitions. So, make sure we are talking about things correctly. With fdisk do you see both primaries with one being shown as extended (and containing the logical partitions)? With the partition you are having trouble with unmounted, do you get an error message when you try to fsck it? Yes, the necessary partitions are there. fdisk, cfdisk and testdisk all show the right stuff. Partition 1 is the problem, the other 2 I can mount normally. If I fsck part1 I get the message that no sdg1 exists (the drive is an external USB that used to have sdg1, sdg5 and sdg6). Testdisk even finds all the files. I thinking that there is some sort of hardware read error that's keeping the OS from recognizing the partition for mounting. I'm running some tests on the drive but I'll post that short error message from fsck shortly. Tony, I think you missed my point. In order for there to be three usable partitions on your system there has to be a physical partition to hold logical partitions 5 and 6, you must have two primary partitions. Post the output from fdisk -l. Thorny, I know what you're asking, I just wasn't clear. But yes, the partition is there (or here): fdisk -l output: Disk /dev/sdg: 184.4 GB, 184416067584 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 22420 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdg1 * 1729558597056 83 Linux /dev/sdg2 7296 22420 121491562+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sdg5 7296 1459058597056 83 Linux /dev/sdg6 14591 2242062894443+ 83 Linux I'm having no problems with the extended partitions, only the first primary. All the number look good, just doesn't recognize sdg1 for mounting, or for fsck. # fsck /dev/sdg1 fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdg1 The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 device All the partitioning software and disk utilities find the partitions. The first primary partition is not found or recognized. Tried backup superblocks too, but if it doesn't find the device, it won't find the data. All the data is there, I can see it with testdisk, I just can't retrieve or do anything with it. thanks, Well, if fsck won't fix it and testdisk won't fix it (I had to look up testdisk haven't used it myself) I don't have any further suggestions. A professional drive recovery shop might be able to help but depending on your data might not be cost effective. I do note that you did not give the output of fdisk -l as I asked. You, once again, edited the information you gave. I have no way of determining that you are trying to work on the correct drive (how many drives total in your system), you should probably make sure the drives are being enumerated into device nodes as you think they are. Other than that, I don't know what to suggest. If I think of anything later I will get back to this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact
Re: Adding a user
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:15:07 -0400, Frank McCormick posted: Running Squeeze - tried to add a user today using the graphical front end under Gksudo ...everything except properties was grayed out. Graphical front end to what, what graphical front end? KDE? Gnome? Other? I have implemented root on this machine - so I modified GDM to allow root logons...same result. What do you mean by I have implemented root on this machine, how did you install Debian and not implement root? What am I missing here? A clear description of exactly what you did, and perhaps, a description of what state your installation is currently in, exact error messages might also be useful if you try command line commands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disk drive recovery help
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:29:16 -0700, tony mollica posted: Hello. Need a little help with a disk drive. Until today, my external storage drive was working fine using Debian 4.0 (latest updates) and ext2 file system. It's a 180Gig drive divided into 3 partitions, 1 primary and 2 logical, sdg1, sdg5 and sdg6, for example. I did two things, after which the drive acts unusual. It powers up but takes a few minutes, then automounts only the third partition(sdg6). I can mount the second partition manually(sdg5), but the first, and only, primary partiton(sdg1) isn't found. cfdisk shows all partitions normally. I can e2fsck 5 and 6, but not 1. dmesg shows a read error in the sector that partition 1 begins. Can't access sdg1 at all, tried several different disk programs to access the partition. Back to the two things. I tried to change the disk label, unsuccessfully, and there was a call to check the partition, so I unmounted it and e2fsck'd it. Now I can only get to 2 of the 3 partitions. Everything seems to be there, but it won't recognize the first and only primary partition. All the sector numbers seem to match using gpart, lde, cfdisk and fdisk. Looking for suggestions to find the error in the first partition. Just to clear up a misconception, you have to have a primary partition to hold the logical partitions. So, make sure we are talking about things correctly. With fdisk do you see both primaries with one being shown as extended (and containing the logical partitions)? With the partition you are having trouble with unmounted, do you get an error message when you try to fsck it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new problem - networking is strange
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:30:08 -0400, Miles Fidelman posted: Thorny wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:36:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman posted: [...] Yeah, but it's a feature that's not well publicized and causes confusing behavior. Standard behavior, for years, has been to expect eth0 to be assigned to a machine's primary network interface. udev's behavior is more than a little counter-intuitive, and not well publicized or documented. You don't really expect to replace a network card and suddenly have your machine not be able to find the network. Well, it was covered pretty well in the release notes for Lenny. It is always a good idea to read the release notes for a new release previous to upgrading. Because I read them, it wasn't as surprising to me and I found the documentation sufficient. That was my experience. That doesn't necessarily make it a good design. True, good is a matter of opinion, however, it could be said that it was well documented, you just didn't read the documentation. It is a very difficult task to make sure that everyone who should read something actually does read it. I think that's why it's in the release notes and people are encouraged to read the release notes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#519028: How do the pros keep up with the latest kernel?
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:52:57 +0800, jidanni posted: How do the pros keep up with the latest kernel? Depending on linux-image-686 isn't working these days. (it depends on a package no longer available) $ cat sources.list deb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free Oh great, an answer for a question I didn't ask from a poster who doesn't define his terms and doesn't describe clearly what question is being asked or for what branch. You should have a look at this, jidanni. You should also stop sending unrequested copies. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disabling RSA host key check temporarily
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:18:58 +0300, Dotan Cohen posted: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ Thank you, Ken, I am aware of that list and subscribe to it. That list is great for Microsoft bashing, discussing animal-themed backgrounds twice a year, and bikesheding. Technical issues are understood by a overwhelmed and outvoiced minority there. Which is quite why I posted my question here. Humm, would you care to repeat this over on those lists? Res would agree with you. Do you feel that my question was OT for the Debian list? Are Debian-derived distros considered taboo by yourself or other list members? Would the issue have been different had I been on a clean Debian install and not a Debian-derived installation? These are serious questions, not trolls. If I'm on the wrong turf just let me know. You need to identify what distro you are using because there are differences among them (this includes branches of Debian) which can make a difference in what specific advice is given. It's not up to the poster asking for help to decide if the issue is generic or not, posters asking for help often misjudge things, the poster should give clear, correct, and, as far as possible, complete data about the environment and the problem. This is nothing about elitism, that is another issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian testing
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:50:03 -0400, Ken Heard posted: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thorny wrote: snip Close to release time, Debian testing does become very stable and easy to use, after a new stable release, testing becomes more volatile and doesn't have as good security upgrades, that's because it's testing. Expect some breakage, it's testing. When you come to the list for help be sure to specify that you are using testing by that or by codename. When I upgraded from Sarge (my first Debian distro) to Etch and again from Etch to Lenny, I waited until the then current testing was frozen before upgrading to it from the then current stable, because I perceived (correctly I had hoped) there would be a frenzy of bug correcting between the freeze date and the stable declaration date. For both upgrades I ran into minor problems which in most -- but not all -- cases were eliminated during that period. I expect to do the same thing when Squeeze is frozen. This is a very common method that quite a few people use, my point was for posters to identify which branch they are using when reporting troubles and/or asking for advice on this list. Note: You do not get the same security upgrade support with testing that you do with stable but that might not matter for your specific install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Disk drive recovery help
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:38:26 -0700, tony mollica posted: Thorny wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:29:16 -0700, tony mollica posted: Hello. Need a little help with a disk drive. Until today, my external storage drive was working fine using Debian 4.0 (latest updates) and ext2 file system. It's a 180Gig drive divided into 3 partitions, 1 primary and 2 logical, sdg1, sdg5 and sdg6, for example. I did two things, after which the drive acts unusual. It powers up but takes a few minutes, then automounts only the third partition(sdg6). I can mount the second partition manually(sdg5), but the first, and only, primary partiton(sdg1) isn't found. cfdisk shows all partitions normally. I can e2fsck 5 and 6, but not 1. dmesg shows a read error in the sector that partition 1 begins. Can't access sdg1 at all, tried several different disk programs to access the partition. Back to the two things. I tried to change the disk label, unsuccessfully, and there was a call to check the partition, so I unmounted it and e2fsck'd it. Now I can only get to 2 of the 3 partitions. Everything seems to be there, but it won't recognize the first and only primary partition. All the sector numbers seem to match using gpart, lde, cfdisk and fdisk. Looking for suggestions to find the error in the first partition. Just to clear up a misconception, you have to have a primary partition to hold the logical partitions. So, make sure we are talking about things correctly. With fdisk do you see both primaries with one being shown as extended (and containing the logical partitions)? With the partition you are having trouble with unmounted, do you get an error message when you try to fsck it? Yes, the necessary partitions are there. fdisk, cfdisk and testdisk all show the right stuff. Partition 1 is the problem, the other 2 I can mount normally. If I fsck part1 I get the message that no sdg1 exists (the drive is an external USB that used to have sdg1, sdg5 and sdg6). Testdisk even finds all the files. I thinking that there is some sort of hardware read error that's keeping the OS from recognizing the partition for mounting. I'm running some tests on the drive but I'll post that short error message from fsck shortly. Tony, I think you missed my point. In order for there to be three usable partitions on your system there has to be a physical partition to hold logical partitions 5 and 6, you must have two primary partitions. Post the output from fdisk -l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian testing
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:56:41 +1000, Daniel Dalton posted: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 12:02:50PM +0200, Cassiel wrote: Another thing is if more people would submit bugs. Really help the maintainers. Help the project and community. That's a valid point. Thanks to everyone that replied I'll consider it, might wait a few months and do it, but sure I will! I suggest you wait until you can run a release version without having to ask questions for help. Until such time as you can understand what is happening when breakage occurs and describe the conditions exactly in a bug report, those are the kind of bug reports that are helpful, many inexperienced users attribute what happens to the incorrect cause or see bugs that don't exist. Some bug reports just create noise in the system. Close to release time, Debian testing does become very stable and easy to use, after a new stable release, testing becomes more volatile and doesn't have as good security upgrades, that's because it's testing. Expect some breakage, it's testing. When you come to the list for help be sure to specify that you are using testing by that or by codename. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#519028: How do the pros keep up with the latest kernel?
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:40:19 +0800, jidanni posted: How do the pros keep up with the latest kernel? Depending on linux-image-686 isn't working these days. # aptitude -F %p search ?obsolete | xargs -n 1 echo aptitude why|sh -x + aptitude why linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 i linux-image-686 Depends linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519028 Which pros are you talking about? Which release are you running, stable or? Do you have hardware that doesn't work with your kernel version? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new problem - networking is strange
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:36:45 -0400, Miles Fidelman posted: [...] Yeah, but it's a feature that's not well publicized and causes confusing behavior. Standard behavior, for years, has been to expect eth0 to be assigned to a machine's primary network interface. udev's behavior is more than a little counter-intuitive, and not well publicized or documented. You don't really expect to replace a network card and suddenly have your machine not be able to find the network. Well, it was covered pretty well in the release notes for Lenny. It is always a good idea to read the release notes for a new release previous to upgrading. Because I read them, it wasn't as surprising to me and I found the documentation sufficient. That was my experience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new problem - networking is strange
Who'd have thunk that two identical chassis aren't quite identical. Sigh The chassis are the same but each NIC has a unique MAC address, that's the purpose of MAC addressing. That was the source of the problem you had. Of course the MAC of a NIC can be spoofed, but that is another topic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: updating with aptitude
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:30:43 +0530, Abhishek Amberkar[ अभिषेक] posted: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:02 PM, orange orang...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that apt(itude) has stopped updating my (testing) Debian system. I press 'u', and then 'U' but nothing is marked for update (and it has been like that for several days now). Is there a way to verify that the system is up-to-date (for sure)? $ sudo aptitude update $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade These commands would only work if the sys admin has added orange's username to the sudoers. That is not standard for a Debian default installation. Are you perhaps thinking about Ubuntu or one of the derivatives? Orange, Did your lines wrap when you posted? Something similar to these are probably what you want, since release Lenny (stable) is only getting security upgrades, not as many changes as just before release when bugs were being fixed, that's always the way it works. deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib main -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: updating with aptitude
[...] deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib main See the way my lines wrapped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Drives can't be mounted as a normal user
[...] I know how to use and edit the /etc/fstab file to mount the drives after each boot. OK, I will assume you are correct with this statement. However, that's not what I'm looking at. Perhaps it should be where you are looking. I'm looking to be able to use my other partitions just like a root user (maybe after being asked for authorization). With the proper line in fstab, this should be possible. I know it works for me. Show us your fstab. And, please, no attitude, we don't ask the questions to diss you, we just need to figure out what you are asking. Andrei is a long-time, helpful poster here and was trying to help you, you appear to be new to Debian and may not have yet learned about any differences between it and the distro which is most familiar to you. I agree with him, it's not clear to me either what you mean by just like a root user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: HELP!!! trying to recover crashed system
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:21:27 -0400, Miles Fidelman posted: Here it is, Friday, and my birthday to boot, with one fire on my desk already, when I discover that a critical server has crashed The server is running Sarge (I know, I was just about to upgrade, but if it ain't broke, why fix it), that just crashed this morning, and I'm having a horrible time recovering. Any help anyone can offer would be very much appreciated. [...] Now that you are out of fire fighting mode and on the road to recovery I want to make this comment. Why fix it? Because you mentioned that it is a critical server and Sarge has not been getting security upgrades in a year, that's why. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: /etc/init.d/networking restart does not change IP address. I have to reboot. Help.
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:58:50 +0530, Foss User posted: Trying to change the IP address in /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart does not really change my IP. I am having to do a reboot to really change the IP. Could someone please help me in understanding why restarting networking doesn't do it? OUTPUT BEFORE CHANGING IP ADDRESS: lenny-template:~# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0c:29:e9:63:c4 inet addr:10.31.253.153 Bcast:10.31.253.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20c:29ff:fee9:63c4/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:255 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:22731 (22.1 KiB) TX bytes:6835 (6.6 KiB) Interrupt:18 Base address:0x2080 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:560 (560.0 B) TX bytes:560 (560.0 B) lenny-template:~# cat /etc/network/interfaces # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 10.31.253.153 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 10.31.253.0 broadcast 10.31.253.255 gateway 10.31.253.1 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed dns-nameservers 10.100.8.203 Then I edit only the 'address' line of 'iface eth0 inet static' to: address 10.31.253.154 and issue the command: /etc/init.d/networking restart. After that when I run ipconfig command, I see only iface lo in the output. If I run ipconfig -a command, then I see iface eth0 too but its ip address is still the old one: 10.31.253.153 Please help. Do you have network-manager installed? If it is trying to control your network interfaces for you, it will ignore that stanza with the static address in your interfaces file (and presumeably, try to use the old address it knows). You could uninstall network-manager and regain the old behaviour, your edits to the interfaces file would work as expected. Network Manager is mostly meant to be used in the roaming situation. You could leave network-manager working and modify the interfaces file to just auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp and let your router hand out a static address to the interface by MAC address (router documentation will discuss this). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: gpg
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:41:16 +1100, Daniel Dalton posted: Hi, Thanks for the gpg help, it's working well now. One question I still have, am I somehow meant to somehow get people to sign my signature if so, how does this work? Daniel. To give you a simple answer, use a search engine with gpg, key, signing, party as keywords, maybe even use web of trust, to get a wealth of information. People will want to verify you are who you claim to be before they will want to sign your key so usually requires meeting in meatspace and reliable photo ID (i.e. passport or the like, something that could get you through a border). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing on a Compact Flash card.
[...] So now I am a bit confused. I am not sure what I am doing wrong. Can any one advice me on what to try next? Should I try to reinstall with a /boot partition and a / partition? Is there something I need to do for the CF card? Did you write a GRUB MBR to the drive, Chris? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: .Xresources problem
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:54:57 +0300, Kybernetiker posted: I have Debian Lenny basic system with X Window, Ice WM, and xdm installed. When I try to configure Xterm, X.org seems to ignore the ~/.Xresources file. The command xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources doesn't do any good. I also tried creating .xinitrc file with the entry xrdb -load $HOME/.Xresources but without any effect. The file ~/.Xresources contains the only line: XTerm*font: -*-terminus-*-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-*-* However I managed to change the font using xterm -font command. Please help. Thank you. Ivan If you have a look at the manual page for Xsession.options, is there anything in there that might be relevant to the issue? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: question about grub-install
[...] And why does it say install GRUB images under the directory ...? Isn't it installing something in the MBR? Not is a directory? Or do I *really* misunderstand what grub-install does? What is a GRUB image? Or am I parsing this incorrectly? In the documentation that you are studying, read more about how GRUB is, these days, too big to fit the limited space of the MBR and thus the next stages have to be on a partition somewhere. More generally; Does grub-install have a search function? If so, what is it that grub-install looks for? How does it know that it has found what it is looking for? How deeply does it search in the directory tree? When does it decide to stop searching and go with whatever it has already found? info grub-install is no help. It seems to be identical to the man page. Lastly, will the answers change for grub2? The GRUB shell has a search function, find FILENAME. But from your question that isn't what you are looking for. I can't really tell from your questions what you are trying to determine. Maybe a more specific question rather than these general ones. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: firmware-linux
[...] Testing is pretty darn manageable, even for those of us who aren't compiling our own kernels. No offence meant, but you might want to recalibrate your ideas about the expertise required to run it. I hear your opinion, however, from my experience with questions that have been asked on lists (both just before and just after a stable release and through several release cycles) I choose to not recalibrate my ideas. They are in keeping with the Debian recommendations too. You may have the expertise, many do not. But, I don't know you, so I make a general recommendation. As I said, no offence meant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian won't boot
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:59:43 -0700, Vwaju posted: For months, I have been booting Debian 3.1 every day and experimenting with networking tools. [...] I'd suggest you consider upgrading because Sarge has not been receiving security updates since last March. Of course, it might not matter to you if the system is never connected to the Internet or used by users other than yourself and you are sure it hasn't been or can't be compromised. I don't mean to suggest the issue you detailed is due to compromise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: firmware-linux
[...] What I want to know is what kinds of problems I might experience when I move to a 'free' kernel? Are these problems easily discoverable when I switch? I'm most concerned about two possibilities - my system becomes inoperable due to some dependency on binary firmware; or the absence of the firmware introduces some subtle change that may cause headaches without providing a clear indication that the lack of firmware is the source of the problem. By free are you meaning a kernel you have compiled for yourself from source? In that case, you would include any needed modules and add the firmware for your hardware. You don't mean a pre-compiled kernel from some other distro do you, there might/could be important differences with that and which could potentially cause you problems. [...] ps. I'm running Squeeze on a Thinkpad R60, but I'm interested in the general case as well. People running testing are supposed to be more advanced than needing to ask this question. No offence meant but I think that is especially true this soon after a stable release, when testing isn't close to a release candidate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: pinning not working
[...] t60[~]$ cat /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=lenny Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=sid Pin-Priority: 300 Package: * Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 101 [...] As Osamu pointed out you are using codenames. However I thought they were going to do something to also allow codenames as well as branch. I could be wrong about that, I don't have any documentation to support it and I don't remember where I read it. On the other hand, in the preferences file, version (v=version i.e. v=4.0), used to work at Etch, I don't know if it still does. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: translator tool
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:01:57 -0700, consultores1 posted: I am in need of a translator tool, because i have to write in different languages; something that writing a word, it translates it to other different languages at once. This kind of word-for-word translation is not always going to give you a reasonable translation for a native speaker, in many cases. Sentence structure may differ between languages and word connotations in different languages may compound the issue. Although, the native speaker may be able to figure out what you are meaning, sometimes it will take considerable effort on their part. Spanish to English is one example. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: rsync mirrors of debian CD How?
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:01:17 -0600, Paul E Condon posted: I see a list of rsync mirrors for an install CD at www.debian.org. I am running Lenny and have rsync installed. I have successfully used rsync to do backups locally between hosts on the same LAN. But I don't know what to do to use these mirrors. Where on that page do you see this list? I suppose I use a console or an xterm, and type something. What do I type? What preparations should I make prior to typing an rsync command? Should I find a copy of an iso of my netinstall from the time when Lenny was still in testing, and use it as starter files to speed the rsync? What is it you are trying to achieve? Do you want to mirror one of those sites, do you have that much storage space locally? If you are a bit more specific, someone can probably help you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Konqueror: select all doesn't work in the location bar
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:49:37 -0400, Randy Kramer posted: [...] I reported this as a bug, and got back a works for me response from someone using 3.5.9 on Debian Squeeze. Not sure if confirmation is what you want, for me in Konq 3.5.9 on Lenny, select all works properly. They said their package is 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 (under Debian Squeeze) and it turns out that my package is also 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 but under Debian Lenny. I'm assuming that these two packages would be exactly the same, so there would be no benefit in upgrading. Is that a correct assumption? A package version, is a package version, it would be a nightmare otherwise. You have the same version as I. Trying to upgrade it and creating a mixed system could cause you a whole new set of problems and grief. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Can't ping to other ip addesss
Please don't top post. I have rewritten this to conform to suggested list standard and replied at bottom. Kousik Maiti: In my system there are two ethernet card. I can't ping to other machine via eth0 but eth1 is working fine. My ethernat controller is Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 12) It is the output from lspci . Can anybody help??? Marc Shapiro: This may seem trivial, but is the other box that you are trying to ping on a local network, or on the Net? If your NICs are set up with one to the Net and the second one to a local network then you are only going to be able to ping local machines on the second NIC and use the first to connect to machines outside the local net. Kousik Maiti: Both are connected with Net. I think you need to explain a bit better. To me it looks like you are saying both of your interface cards are connected to the Internet (If I understand Marc correctly he's using an common abbreviation for Internet, Net) Do you really mean both cards are connected to the Internet, if so, tell us a bit more about how you have them connected. Are both of your interface cards the same type broadcom card? There is also the chance that udev has identified a single card as, first eth0 and, second eth1 but that is not what you seem to be saying. Someone here can probably provide you with a useful answer if you first clarify. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: aspell gets remove on OOo removal, why?
[...] I wonder, why does aspell get removed here. Because it is marked as automatically installed. When there are (or will be) no more packages that depend on automatically installed packages, the automatically installed packages are automatically removed. And, how do I prevent aspell from getting removed. # apt-get unmarkauto aspell Also, you should switch to using aptitude; it is the preferred interface to the apt packaging system since Etch was released. You answered his question correctly, however, if there is no longer any package that depends on it, why would he want to leave it on the system. Unless of course it is required for some local package that he installed outside of the APT system? (rhetorical question) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: flakey internet access through network
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:13:41 -0700, Thorny posted: [...] What you describe doesn't like any of your machines are forgetting your IP address. But you could check that with the command ipconfig eth2 (since you mentioned eth2 as the interface involved) before issuing the dhclient command. [...] Oops, I'm surprised no one caught my error. The command mentioned in the statement above should be ifconfig eth2 not ipconfig. I wonder, do you really have three network interfaces in the machine in question, I know that is possible but probably isn't common? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Possible bug in packaging
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:30:50 +0530, Amey Parulekar posted: [...] Now, cyphesis doesn't build unless it finds an installed copy of mercator, so this is not a problem with cyphesis. The fact that it is a runtime error suggests that it has something to do with the directory structure that debian uses for libraries. It may be of interest to read this: Linux Filesystem Hierarchy http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html I think Debian adheres to the standard structure. At least mostly, I haven't encountered diversions but YMMV. You could symlink anything that you want to place outside of it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: help - Browsing network Issue after installing SAMBA?
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:32:49 -0700, dbpbandit posted: I've been experimenting with several distributions of Linux over the past few months and I finally decided on Debian for many reasons. Currently I have it running on a couple of laptops and an old PC. The PC has two HDD, one has Debian Lenny and the other has Fedora 9 so I could switch between the two. The HDD with Debian died last week so I put in a working drive and ran the Debian Net-Install but this time I selected to File Server option. Everything seems OK as far as the OS but now I can't brows to the other Windows systems on the network like I could before. Does this have something to do with the fact that it's now running SAMBA? Is there something I need to do to brows to the other network machines? I'm pretty new to Linux so any help is greatly appreciated, thanks.. Dave, you're more likely to get useful answers if you provide a bit more information. What method did you use to browse the network before. Include any error messages you receive when you now try. Otherwise, it isn't easy to guess where the problem might be occurring and many people who might be able to help you will just read your post and move on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iceape-browser disappear of debian
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:00:30 +0100, Gerard Robin posted: Hello, iceape is no more part of debian, I would like to know if is it possible to install the package seamonkey of ubuntu in sid ? It was dropped from Debian because no one stepped up to act as maintainer, you may be able to do your own local install of the suite depending upon your ability and desire. Be sure to read the release notes. I agree with poster Mark Allums about mixing packages from Ubuntu, might work, might not, might cause you grief, Ubuntu is based on a snapshot of sid at a particular time and I don't think it's clear how that might impact your system or what effect it might have on future upgrades. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel: Can't find helper application
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:19:53 +1030, Matthew Smith posted: Hi Folks Don't know if this is a Debian issue or a Firefox issue - having only just switched from Gentoo+FF2 to Debian+FF3/Iceweasel. * Try to follow a link to a PDF document. * Get a message that the helper application (xpdf) can't be found. * Go to Preferences/Applications and change the 3 instances of PDF to invoke specifically /usr/bin/xpdf (in case there was an issue with the path.) * Issue persists. I have a default installation of Iceweasel 3.0.6 on Lenny and when I go to Preferences--Applications I only see one instance of Portable Document Format. For it there is a drop down list to choose other than the default Always ask which also includes navigation for Use other ... choices. This doesn't sound like what you are describing (3 instead of the 1 I see). You didn't mention anything about which version of either Iceweasel or the OS, don't know if it might be related. I have seem issues before with Firefox and what to do with various MIME types; in FF2, I'm pretty sure that one could delete entries in Applications which would force an 'ask' dialogue next time that MIME type was encountered, generally fixing the issue. It appears that we no longer have that luxury. Hummm. Could it be that you tried to copy some configuration files over from one of your other installations to save what you had already done or something like that? Something that might not be compatible? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: flakey internet access through network
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:11:53 -0700, postid posted: I'm working on our school's computer system and discovering that the internet access is really a pain. I can log on to the wireless network and get a strong signal, but internet access comes and goes. I just discovered that if I try to do a search, click on something online, or start writing a webmail email, it will just try and try and then finally give up trying to access the internet. If I start a process, however, then in a console enter # dhclient eth2 Bingo! the internet responds. Otherwise I just have to wait until it comes back, which could be five minutes or 20 minutes or whatever. What's happening here? Is it forgetting that I'm logged in? The commands I use for the initial connection are: # iwconfig eth2 essid NAMEHERE # iwconfig eth2 mode Managed key open # iwconfig eth2 key KEYHERE # iwconfig eth2 dhclient eth2 I was doing a netinstall here (with a wired connection on this network) a few nights ago and it was taking forever because I'd lose the internet and have to wait for it to come back again and continue the download. Sometimes I'd still have internet access on one of the desktops and on my laptop, sometimes just the laptop, sometimes just the desktop, sometimes just the wired computer involved in a netinstall. What's going on here? How do I solve this problem, at least for my laptop and the machine on which I'm installing lenny? My laptop is running Debian Sarge (it'll get lenny when I finish here), I'm trying to install lenny on one of the desktops, and everything else is windows. postid This sounds a lot like something that you probably should take up with the school's IT department and maybe check the terms of service. What you describe doesn't like any of your machines are forgetting your IP address. But you could check that with the command ipconfig eth2 (since you mentioned eth2 as the interface involved) before issuing the dhclient command. Or do you have a router connect to the feed in your room, then check the router for possible problems. Any wireless can come and go for a variety of reasons. Maybe other machines on the school network are using up the bandwidth available or maybe the school has a bandwidth limit per unit of time for systems on the network. Or, even the school's feed from cyberspace could come and go from time to time, is this issue always reproducible?. The topology of the school's network isn't clear from your description. I'm just guessing but I don't think anything about Debian is causing what you describe, so it would be OT here. Your IT department can work with you to pin down the source of your problem. Remember Sarge is no longer getting security updates so be careful when using it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: testing microphone - how?
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:26:33 +, Lisi Reisz posted: I am trying to test a microphone by some method other than ringing the same poor person repeatedly by VOIP. I have tried to run record applications, but cannot seem to get the applications going (so far Audacity and KRec). Hi Lisi, This sounds interesting. Why can't you get them going and what do you mean by going? I suppose you've already checked in your mixer that mic input isn't muted, eh? What is your soundcard, any known issues with it with Lenny, if that is what you use? ALSA working fine for other sounds on your system? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:59:33 -0400, Celejar posted: [...edit just to save bandwidth] But this equivalence between insecure systems and those likely to fall victim to an accidental rm -rf / breaks down for the above case, since accidents become much less likely, but a virus can still do whatever it wants by prefacing its actions with 'sudo'. Your point is well put, I agree with you. But this thread started out about the whether or not Linux virus are currently in the wild. I am somewhat familiar with one of those systems that uses that hateful sudo configuration in the hands of newbies in order to sacrifice security for ease of use and thus is very much like recommending running as root. Actually, the distro that I am thinking of recommends using the sudoer (first user added at install) as an admin account and adding a user without rights to use for normal operation but that info is buried in documentation that most people don't read or heed. People even ask how to add all rights to all new users added, making it somewhat like a lot of Windows installations. I've long worried that the face of the future may not be a smile. Thanks for the discussion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new hidden files
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:19:23 -0400, Rick Pasotto posted: This morning rkhunter found three new hidden files: Warning: Hidden directory found: /etc/.java Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.udev Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.initramfs Is this anything to worry about? You can find out about .java from this page on the rkhunter site. http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_howto_false_positives.html In addition, there is a rkhunter-users mailing list where you may choose to post your questions or search the archives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:50:32 -0400, Stefan Monnier posted: Discussing this has inspired me to put another line on my hobby list, I will eventually drag out an old P1 100MHz I have and try loading Lenny on it. Or, maybe I shouldn't thank you for that, it's not like I don't already have enough projects. chuckle FWIW, I find that running Lenny on a 64MB machine is bearable but slowish, and Etch was already too slow on a 32MB machine. So make sure you have enough RAM. For very simple uses, it works with less RAM, but as soon as you need to apt-get install or apt-get upgrade the memory limit becomes severe. It will be only a hobby system, slow would be acceptable. Thanks for sharing your experience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:09:13 +, Avi Greenbury posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Virus#Threats Good grief, since when has wikipedia become the ultimate resource. Do you notice how many of the references are to anti-virus labs, who have a vested interest in selling software? Naturally any of this is opinion on both sides. It isn't really possible for me to give data that shows something doesn't exist. And, you have no reason to believe me or anyone else but will you please review this article by Rick Moen, he makes a cogent argument. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus If after reviewing it you still think you are correct, aside from possible semantic differences about the definition of virus, cone back and I suppose we can try to discuss further or agree to disagree. Otherwise, I ask that people please stop stating that there are linux virus in the wild in a thread that involves inexperienced users. The only people who have an interest in the FUD are those who stand to profit by selling software for Linux virus catching and removal and I am not accusing you of that. (Note I didn't say not to run a virus checker on a mail server in a network with Windows clients, our issue is with Linux virus.) You will note that Rick's page is current, last modified 2009-02-16. Naturally, current doesn't signify correctness but, in my opinion, it is better than the page poster Celejar suggested which is from 2000 and I don't remember any spread of Bliss since that time. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:57:50 +0800, 明覺 posted: you are right, it should not be a viruses, maybe it's because my harddisk is broken, how to check my harddisk? now I have installed a new system on it and it is working fine now, but I'm afraid it will be broken suddenly again after a few days, so I should know clear about the situation of my harddisk. is there any tool to check the health of my harddisk? thank you. Did you check it for badblocks? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Technical Inquiry
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:17:28 -0700, hadi motamedi posted: Dear All Can you please do me favor and provide me with the answer for the following case at hand : We have one HP t5725 server with Debian Linux 3.1 installed but the operator is getting the following message on the console port when trying to boot the server : Unexpected inconsistency, run fsck manually . give root password for maintenance or type ctrl-D to continue Unfortunately, he has forgottten for the root password and pressing ctrl-D will just reboot the server to the above message again. Please let me know how we can overcome. Let me thank you in advance for your time and attention in the matter With all the discussion going on about how to get in, no one seems to have mentioned that you might want to consider upgrading from that Sarge install. If I remember correctly, Sarge security support ends at the end of March, this year. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:30:07 -0600, Robert Hodgins posted: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 14:13 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: Thank you to everyone who has offered suggestions. I'll keep fiddling around with this computer. If something works, I'll let you know. Turns out the problem was likely hardware related. Over the weekend, I had noticed that SBM wasn't detecting the DVD/CD player all the time. Yesterday, the hard drive was undetectable. Given that both units function on other machines, I believe that the computer's drive controller was slowly dying while I was working with it and ultimately gave up the ghost Monday. Thanks again to everyone who helped me with this. Thanks to you for getting back to us. Discussing this has inspired me to put another line on my hobby list, I will eventually drag out an old P1 100MHz I have and try loading Lenny on it. Or, maybe I shouldn't thank you for that, it's not like I don't already have enough projects. chuckle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Technical Inquiry
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:30:35 +, Lisi Reisz posted: On Saturday 21 March 2009 10:21:24 Thorny wrote: If I remember correctly, Sarge security support ends at the end of March, this year. They announced that it had ended last year. As I understand it, they took the repositories down this year and archived them. Yes, you are correct, I typed this instead of last. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny + Dell PE 2970
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:58:32 -0500, M. Lewis posted: I'm trying to install Lenny on a Dell Power Edge 2970 with little success. The problem I'm running into is installing grub. My .iso images check with md5sum correctly. With three different DVDs, I get the error: Unable to install grub in (hd0) Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed This is a fatal error. [...] Lets have a look at your /boot/grub/device.map -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
[T] A simple answer is that Linux virus exist as a proof-of-concept, there aren't any in the wild. If you think about it, there isn't a mechanism for propagation. You don't run as root do you? You can find out lots more about the concept with your favourite search engine. [C] While they aren't common, certainly relative to those that infect Windows systems, I'm not sure that there aren't any in the wild is completely correct: Perhaps a question of semantics. I don't actually see any indication in that article from 2000 that indicates an in the wild condition. In addition, you have to run it. I understand your post for discussion but I don't think you want to suggest to this person that a virus is actually causing the problem being discussed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:37:56 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. posted: While they have been seen in the wild, ... Please cite examples and/or documentation so I may learn. I know from your other posts that you give good advice but I am not willing to accept this statement on that basis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
It all happened suddenly. I was editing a file in gedit 3 minutes ago, and when I was saving it, it said readonly filesystem. then i restarted my machine, it ccould not shutdown for it said it's a readonly file system. then i pressed reset to force it restart, then it stopped at grup loading. please wait... error 17, what happened to my machine, is it a virus? how to recover my system? thanks It is not going to be a virus. If it was my system, first thing I would do after booting up the Live CD as poster David suggested would be to run a filesystem check on the unmounted partition that is your root partition. Perhaps you might want to read the manual page for fsck previous to issuing the command. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Help! Grub is broken
[...] If it's not a virus, why my computer suddenly become broken, I do not understand, i guess it should be a virus. A simple answer is that Linux virus exist as a proof-of-concept, there aren't any in the wild. If you think about it, there isn't a mechanism for propagation. You don't run as root do you? You can find out lots more about the concept with your favourite search engine. My guess would be that you have recently been a Windows user and still have that mindset. Perhaps Debian Lenny (the stable release version) would be a better version for you to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: reboot/shutdown hangs at 'acpid:exiting'
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:17:29 -0400, Michael Yang wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Thorny thorntreeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:39:05 -0400, Michael Yang wrote: After recent upgrade, my system becomes kind of mess up. My story is that I did a apt-get upgrade of some packages to squeeze/sid by accident(I didn't change the 'testing' in my source.list). So I downgrade most of packages back to dist lenny by pinning packages except the kernel (2.6.24 kernel) and few packages. Everything works well but the acpid. Michael, it probably would have been better to have left this in the other thread because it really is a continuation of your original problem and that way, others could have the full story. Remember I warned you that there were no guarantees with an APT pinning downgrade from a mixed system. Because you had that mixed system and what you tried (downgrade) is not really supported, this current problem could be related. Sorry about that, Thorny. I posted this as a separate thread because I thought it could be a different problem in lenny and I metioned what happened in my case. Actually everything works fine after I downgrading from my mixed system by pinning packages. Most of packages are downgraded to lenny version and few still remains in testing version. But the system is running very well without any problems. I have to admit that I did one more step after that. To get a pure lenny dist, I performed a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which upgrades the kernel as well, from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26. That's when I found the problem of acpid. Then I went back to .24 kernel, the problem still exists. That's why I thought if it could be problems related to lenny dist. Okay, I follow your logic. However, it's always best to give all the information of what you did so anyone looking can have the whole picture when they are speculating about what might have happened. Unfortunately, speculating is all I can do, I've never actually had to try that downgrade process, I just know in theory it sometimes can work. I expect it is somewhat dependent on the individual system, what software is on it and how it is configured. When doing supported upgrades, new configuration files are updated to what is needed for new versions but I doubt there is any mechanism to reverse any of those changes. Thus, I don't have any idea if that might have caused your problem. But, in theory, one is supposed to keep it pinned and upgrade (which is actually downgrade) until the system is back tracking the pure release version one wants. I have no idea if getting back to most of the packages is sufficient. From what you stated, you still have some packages at versions that aren't Lenny, are they at current Squeeze versions or are they at some transitional stage from when they were in Lenny when it was testing? (rhetorical question, don't need to answer here) I would argue that your statement, But the system is running very well without any problems, isn't strictly correct, it isn't shutting down correctly, eh? Shutdown works correctly on my Latitude with a pure Lenny system but it is an older model laptop so that isn't definitive. I did a superficial google and there do seem to be some bugs reported with Acpi and D630. Several seem to relate to a runaway condition, when your system hangs do the fans go to full on, if so, you might want to search more intensively to see if there is any solution short of un-installing acpid, or figuring out anything about video driver. Hopefully, someone with a D630 will jump in here and tell if theirs is working with Lenny. If I get any more ideas to try, I'll get back to this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: reboot/shutdown hangs at 'acpid:exiting'
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:17:29 -0400, Michael Yang wrote: [...] That's when I found the problem of acpid. Then I went back to .24 kernel, the problem still exists. That's why I thought if it could be problems related to lenny dist. Naturally, after sending the last post I did have another idea. Perhaps you could try downloading a Lenny Live CD and see if it works correctly. If it does it may give you an environment from which you can check things and compare to your system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Problem with upgrading libc6
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:42:54 -0700, NFN Smith wrote: [...] Following this downgrade, libc6 (and related dependencies) are all still at etch versions. This from Chapter 4 of the Lenny release notes may be of interest to you, especially the part at the bottom since you are using Aptitude. 4.5.4. Upgrade apt and/or aptitude first Several bug reports have shown that the versions of the aptitude and apt packages in etch are often unable to handle the upgrade to lenny. In lenny, apt is better at dealing with complex chains of packages requiring immediate configuration and aptitude is smarter at searching for solutions to satisfy the dependencies. These two features are heavily involved during the dist-upgrade to lenny, so it is necessary to upgrade these two packages before upgrading anything else. For apt, run: # apt-get install apt and for aptitude (if you have it installed) run: # aptitude install aptitude This step will automatically upgrade libc6 and locales and will pull in SELinux support libraries (libselinux1). At this point, some running services will be restarted, including xdm, gdm and kdm. As a consequence, local X11 sessions might be disconnected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: reboot/shutdown hangs at 'acpid:exiting'
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:39:05 -0400, Michael Yang wrote: After recent upgrade, my system becomes kind of mess up. My story is that I did a apt-get upgrade of some packages to squeeze/sid by accident(I didn't change the 'testing' in my source.list). So I downgrade most of packages back to dist lenny by pinning packages except the kernel (2.6.24 kernel) and few packages. Everything works well but the acpid. Michael, it probably would have been better to have left this in the other thread because it really is a continuation of your original problem and that way, others could have the full story. Remember I warned you that there were no guarantees with an APT pinning downgrade from a mixed system. Because you had that mixed system and what you tried (downgrade) is not really supported, this current problem could be related. The problem is every time when I reboot or shutdown the system, the screen hangs at the message 'acpid exiting'. The version of acpid is 1.0.8-1 which is lenny version. I also tried the new version but didn't get through. Presumably, you upgraded to that 2.6.24 kernel while your system was Etch because you need some functionality that it provided. It would be good if you could remember (or check your system log) if anything else had to be upgraded at the time you did the original upgrade to 2.6.24. I'm not clear what you mean by didn't get through but it probably doesn't matter, a squeeze version won't necessarily solve your problem. Anybody has ideas of how to resolve the problem. If it were my system, I would try a newer kernel, the one from the release version of Lenny. It might work better with the version of acpid that you now have. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian/lenny: keyboard doesn't work after software upgrade
thanks. I post message in my mail client that puts quotes below reply. It would also be a good idea to post in text only for this list. I've been happily using 2.6.24 kernel without meeting much problems. Recently just out of curiosity I did a upgrade (not dist-upgrade yet). Is there outstanding improvements in 2.6.26 that make it strongly recommended to dist-upgrade? Because I have many packages and drivers to be re-compiled if I do a dist-upgrade. Not really any compelling reason that I know of to upgrade the kernel for a working system. I'm not really familiar with that kernel version, someone else might post if they have recommendations. The source in my source list is: deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ testing main contrib non-free I think the problem is caused by 'testing' dist previously referred to 'Lenny', but now referred to unstable? If I want to update my system for lenny, do I need to change the 'testing' to 'stable'? Yes, I think you found the reason you had that xkb-data from squeeze. It is probably a leftover from your using Lenny (or parts of Lenny) before the release date. And, yes, it should have been changed to stable after release before you upgraded. The possible problem at this point is that you now probably have a somewhat mixed system and changing it now might be problematic. Sometimes it could work and sometimes it could give you a mess. I like to use codenames in my sources list. For example: http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free. That can be a way to avoid surprises in the time after a new release. You might try pinning at 1001 for stable, if you are familiar with apt pinning, and upgrade until the system gets back in sync with stable. But no guarantee that it would downgrade back to a pure Lenny safely and don't try it if you don't understand what is involved. It can't hurt for you to have a look at the Lenny release notes http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ especially the section Chapter 4. Upgrades from previous releases. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iomega portable hard drive
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:11:55 -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: Hello! is it possible to put to work a 120 GB Iomega Portable Hard Drive (usb powered) under Lenny? I own one myself, but I can't mount it. I googled a bit too, but without success besides the fact that there is no direct linux support for it. The best way to get a useable answer to this would be to explain why you can't mount it. What method(s) you tried and what error messages you received, that can help to figure out what went wrong and what is necessary to make it mount. Since it's a USB device, it should be possible to mount it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:50:07 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: As various modules were being loaded in, I noticed some had 2.6.28-1-486 as a part of their name. I assume if these were being loaded, then the correct kernel was selected? It is my understand that the installer will choose the correct kernel for your architecture so it should automatically use the 486 flavour. I don't imagine this will help with your problem, just to clarify. Was that a typo, my Lenny install is using the 2.6.26 kernel? Anything in the BIOS about plug and play, the installer (from your photo) seems to be having trouble with those cards which I guess are mostly ISA cards on a P1? Not surprised that you don't have a keyboard or mouse since it doesn't see any serial interface either. Maybe try stripping out any card that isn't actually needed (for example the NIC) and try the install again. But you've probably already tried that. I note that the output you gave from the output of lshw (from the System Rescue CD), shows a 2.6.18 kernel, so it wasn't the Lenny Installer in rescue mode. Since you didn't have trouble with the Etch kernel, I'm not sure that printout is relevant to your trouble with the Lenny kernel. Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer, it is however, an interesting problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian/lenny: keyboard doesn't work after software upgrade
I have reordered your post to be in chronological order, suggestion below. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Michael Yang michael@gmail.comwrote: I have a Debian/Lenny 2.6.24 installed on my laptop (D630). I did a software upgrade just now (apt-get upgrade) and the keyboard doesn't work after that. I rebooted the system and now I have to type the letter twice to enter one letter, for example typing two 'a' for entering one 'a'. Anyone has idea of which package's upgrade caused this problem? Thanks so much. Michael On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:22:11 -0400, Michael Yang wrote: The problem is resolved by downgrading xkb-data from 1.5-2 to 1.3-2. Thanks. Is there a specific reason you're using a 2.6.24 kernel with Lenny? My Dell works fine with 2.6.26. The version of xkb-data in Lenny is 1.3-2 so you may want to inspect your sources.list, your upgrades might be doing something of which you are not aware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: libc6 upgrade from debian 3.1 to 5.0
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:45:02 +0800, linux china wrote: From your subject line 3.1 to 5.0. I'm fairly sure the upgrade from Sarge to Lenny is not supported. For one thing, the upgrade from Sarge to Etch was problematic for many people, especially those who didn't read the release notes before trying to upgrade. when I do the aptitude dist-upgrade, I got errors while upgrading libc6, Get:153 http://www.anheng.com.cn stable/main libdevmapper1.02.1 2:1.02.27-4 [54.0kB] Get:154 http://www.anheng.com.cn stable/main makedev 2.3.1-88 [42.3kB] ... ... Get:245 http://www.anheng.com.cn testing/main usbutils 0.73-10 [160kB] This doesn't look like you have a correct /etc/apt/sources.list for an dist-upgrade of a Debian stable release. I think you should have done Sarge--Etch first, then Etch--Lenny by following the installation guide for each one and after reading the release notes. Maybe a clean install would be a better choice (faster and easier). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenovo laptop - Type Control D to Continue
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:47:13 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: Hey Guy's I have Lenovo laptop, new Lenny install and I'm having to type control+d to continue boot, I looked at dmesg and I can't make what the problem is, so I post and maybe someone can figure the problem. [...] Thanks Guy's, yep, the /boot/grub/menu was screwed. Jimmy, there is more to a mailing list than just your getting help. Lots of people read to learn and the list is archived so people with the same or similar problem can search for possible solutions and not have to ask the question again. To that end, it is requested that a poster who has received help explain what was wrong with their system, what advice fixed it and how it fixed it. Your follow-up didn't give enough information for someone searching at a later time to receive any help from it. In addition, you didn't answer the requests for more information from people trying to help you, which might have contributed to the archived posts. Please contribute to help others as a demonstration of respect for those who have helped you and good reason for others to help you in the future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenovo laptop - Type Control D to Continue
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:17:25 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Hey Guy's I have Lenovo laptop, new Lenny install and I'm having to type control+d to continue boot, I looked at dmesg and I can't make what the problem is, so I post and maybe someone can figure the problem. If more info is needed let me know. :) laptop-1:/home/jj# dmesg [... (954 lines of dmesg)] Thanks for looking. At the outset I want to say that I am surprised that someone with the email nick of field.engineer would post the whole dmesg in this case. Please have some concern for the members of the list who pay for bandwidth. Couldn't you make some educated guess as to what isn't going to be relevant? I'd guess that many people won't read through all that, I just skimmed it. Poster Sebastian has already suggested further relevant info for you to provide. There was probably more on your console than the instruction to type control D. to continue. And, what happens when you do type control D? In addition, I would say that, if this was my problem, I would look into the I/O errors on dev sr1 as a hint. Is there any chance your drive devices have been enumerated differently than the way you have them in fstab? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:47:11 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: [...] Right after selecting Install, the installer printed the screen (Photo 2) [...] ACPI on a P1 75MHz class machine? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Aptitude tries to replace backport kernel with older version
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:11:20 +1100, Robert S wrote: I have replaced the stock etch kernel with 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 by adding backports to my sources.list and the following to /etc/apt/preferences: Package: linux-image-2.6-486 Pin relase a=etch-backports Pin-Priority: 999 If I run aptitude and press G I get prompted to downgrade my kernel to version linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. Obviously I don't want this to happen. I wish to resolve this before upgrading to Lenny. What is the correct way of doing this? The correct(recommended) way to upgrade has always been to read the release notes for a new version before attempting the upgrade. In your specific case, with a backported kernel image, you would be especially interested in doing so. You might want to start with chapter 4 and have a look at 4.2.5. Unofficial sources and backports: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#backup [that line may have wrapped in your list reader] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Advice about ext3, please
Steven, As Aneurin has pointed out, you seem to have responded to the wrong thread, that doesn't relieve the confusion for those of us who use a list reader which threads correctly. And that is a part of what you are complaining about. I expect that you've reacted emotionally, and that is human and normal. I want to state a few more things and I will do that inline. It's going to sound patronizing but I have the grey hair to attempt that. [...] This is becoming ridiculous now. You are just replying and going to extremes just because you can. This wording is not likely to avoid an emotional reaction from the person you're trying to reply to and, thus, may be counterproductive for the discussion. It also has the potential to irritate someone if you include it in a reply to the wrong thread. I'm not even sure why this section got in your reply to Aneurin's post except you were somehow trying to answer the questions which I think were meant as rhetorical. [...] I look forward to discussing other topics with you but for now this one is at end. I hope you don't really believe that a line like that will be effective in stopping an off topic thread. Many times, these days, even a plonk won't be effective in keeping you from seeing things you don't want to see from some posters. In my opinion, it is best to ignore a lot of other posters advice, unless it is clearly incorrect, and let the OP decide what information they want from the discussion. Naturally, post to correct incorrect or dangerous advice. [...] There are currently other posters arguing about top-posting, bottom-posting and inline-posting. With some saying they will do what they want regardless. This is nuts! Nuts, perhaps. However, it happens in list after list and from time to time. Some posters come here for a social exercise and probably look on the list as some kind of slow IRC, perhaps even as a place to try and show they are smarter than others. A lot of the really knowledgeable posters who previously hung out here no longer post, I don't know if they still lurk. [..] With all the off topic posts, inconsistent posting and arguments, not discussions, the mailing list seems chaotic and this does not encourage people to participate and therefore does not encourage people to use Debian. Agreed. However, not every poster who is here to try and help others is interested in encouraging more people to use Debian. Personally, I don't care who chooses to use Debian. I will try to help those who do. Some posters do not fully read the posting they are replying and from their posts do not give their own post much thought either. I couldn't agree more. [...] I also give references so that people can go look up and read the material for themselves. [...] I think I will start a few new threads and see how it goes. Maybe Staying on topic and Top vs Bottom posting. Well, those posts are only likely to add noise to the mailing list as topics like that usually do. You state you give references when you post but it did not appear to me that you did so in the above mentioned posts. Because the topics come up so often, there would have been lots of references in the archives that you could have quoted or linked to. You didn't even mention the most basic reference, like the code of conduct on mailing lists at lists.debian.org. I think I understand your good intentions but posts like yours often act as trolls and have very little chance of changing behaviour. Submitted for your possible interest, not meant as any kind of criticism of you personally, in the hope that lurkers can learn from reading and understanding. If we can leave our egos out of discussions, the discussions benefit but it is hard for humans to do that as our emotions are affected by our daily lives, our perceptions, even our local connotations of the words used. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Advice about ext3, please
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:31:15 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: That is a pretty persuasive argument. I can see the plug being pulled by accident fairly often in the long run. ;-) Suggest you mount that drive with the sync option. Might make it a little less likely that you'll pull the plug while the data is being written. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mozilla suite missing from Debian 5
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:57:42 +0900, Bret Busby wrote: Well, after having been advised on the list, to upgrade to Debian 5, from Debian 4, I have done it, on my laptop, to trial Debian 5. As Lisi pointed out, I too didn't find an overwhelming number of suggestions to do as you have chosen. We were trying to correct your misintrepretations. It appears that it is against my better judgement. A piece of advice, do not do things against your better judgement. If you follow advice that breaks your system you get to keep the broken pieces. It is always a good idea to understand what advice is going to do by reading and understanding any documentation that you can find about it previous to entering commands. That being said, the upgrade 4.0--5.0, from oldstable to stable, shouldn't be any kind of disaster. BTW, the system I'm typing this on is still running Etch and probably will for a while yet, Etch is still getting security upgrades and I don't require any new features or have any hardware that requires a newer kernel. The Mozilla suite, whether you want to name it seamonkey or iceape, or whatever, has apparently been removed from Debian, the last version where it as present, being Debian 4. It is kind of like driving a car without a windscreen; it runs, but it is not nice. And there are good reasons of principle that this happened. You may not agree with the principle or the Debian Social Contract or philosophy but you could investigate the reasoning and logic of the decision and thus understand it. In my opinion, it's useless to argue it here. Also, at the recommeded mirror, .au.debian.org flightgear (one of the reasons for the upgrade) is not present. So, I assume that that mirror is not complete. Well, I find this page on the Internet: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/flightgear And, if you mean ftp://ftp.au.debian.org then I find the package there. ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flightgear If it isn't in the mirror you use, there would be other mirrors -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
[Lisi] The reason that there is currently a little bit of confusion on websites is that the shunt Squeeze - testing, Lenny - stable, Etch - old stable and Sarge - somewhere-off-the-cliff only happened less than 3 weeks ago on 14th February. The websites are being updated in roughly order of importance, and populating the various mirrors came first. To Bret, Lisi is correct. The website I suggested to you hasn't been updated yet. However, it is correct information about the progression from unstable--testing--stable even if the codenames are for the previous releases. Just substitute lenny for etch and squeeze for lenny and etch for sarge. Bottom line, you could learn the flow and have a better understanding of the Debian way. Alternately, you could ask specific questions about anything you don't understand. [Lisi] But there is no point in waiting for Lenny to become more stable. It won't. To Bret, +1 to this too. And as I mentioned in another post, if you follow the release notes it is likely that your upgrade will not encounter problems. Naturally, it is always advised to backup first. I don't know how you lost data previously trying to upgrade but it probably didn't have to happen. I am not trying to convince you to switch from Ubuntu, just making you aware of the incorrect assumptions you are making and encouraging you to obtain the correct information about the differences so that you have the knowledge to make an informed decision. Good luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:57:48 +0900, Bret Busby wrote: I had delayed upgrading to Debian 5.0, as people appear to still have problems with upgrading to Debian 5.0, so I thought that it would be better to wait until things had settled, with Debian 5.0, perhaps, when release 2 appears, or something similar. While it can be a good plan to wait for a week or ten days and watch what errors others are finding, waiting for a release 2 or something like that could be a long wait. Many of the problems that arise when a new release comes out occur because people don't read and follow the release notes that are provided online. Not all, of course, sometimes specific hardware causes problems but most of the time when a Debian stable release is made, it works. http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes [...] so I was recommended to change that to Ubuntu 8.04, which is probably the equivalent of Debian 4.0. Incorrect. Debian 4 is the oldstable release of Debian now but it was a stable release. Ubuntu 8.04 is the April 2008 release of Ubuntu which is based on a snapshot of Debian Sid (the unstable branch) around that time. They are not equivalent at all and the packages will be newer versions than in Etch. Mixing package versions is one of the ways inexperienced people get their systems in trouble. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Being a fan of Adams myself, I gave a bit of thought to your sig lines. You may want to investigate Chapter 3 from the Debian FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lowest ram system with X. Presario 5166.
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:51:16 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: From the Debian manual, a minimal install for X requires 512MB. Where did you find this? Can you provide a link so I can look at it? In the Debian Installation Guide I can find it as a recommenced amount but not as a required amount, required is listed as 48MB (for i386 and amd64). Now, 48 isn't likely to give you a good user experience but the system I'm typing this on only has 256MB. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
Also, I had (apparently, completely wrongly) understood that, when installing a package with Synaptic, it was the role of Synaptic, as the package manager, to ensure that the package was added to the relevant menu, in the Applications menu hierarchy. As I mentioned previously, not every sys admin wants the package executable link added to the menu. I suspect you are looking at this issue as a single user desktop situation, rather than as a multi-seat server situation. Ubuntu is, mostly, crafted to be easy to use for people new to GNU/Linux and who are just using a desktop system for their home computer with just a single user or just the family. A long time joke (somewhat undeserved, yet still amusing), is Ubuntu - an African word for can't install and configure Debian. [Please don't flame me for that, I have an Ubuntu install as well as Debian installs, also other distros for evaluation and I don't hate newbies] The experienced GNU/Linux users who choose Ubuntu don't have a problem with things happening, or not happening, automagically. On the other hand, many Debian installs are for multi-seat servers and, as I mentioned, the sys admin desires more control of configuration and understands, or learns, how to accomplish the task. In that light, I imagine you understand the sanity of the default behaviour of Debian. Many people don't use a GUI package manager like Synaptic. On the command line, one doesn't need a menu, or at least, nothing more sophisticated than the tab key. I apologise for my lack ofknowledge in all of this. We are all ignorant of a topic until we learn and, these days, most posters don't flame someone for not yet understanding something. Just a quick additional note; in the Properties information for the package, in both installations, with the label of Section, in the Common tab, both packages have the same value; Games and Amusement. So, it would seem logical, that each of the two installations, would automatically result in the package being added to the Games menu, within the Applications hierarchy, by virtue of the Section parameter, having the value, in each case. It would seem logical, given one point of view, but as I mentioned previously, that's not the behaviour that I desire from a package manager any more than I want a link to the executable binary automagically added to the desktop. There are more than 1000 Debian developers, worldwide, and they vote as to how things are handled by default, perhaps there is a logical plan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Lenny Based SimplyMEPIS 8.0 is Released
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:58:35 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [...] I agree with what you say, but is not the case with Debian-Live it only covers amd64 and i386. Great for a desktop system Jimmy, however, Debian is for more than just desktop systems. You have stated a preference for live CDs and in a limited and closed situation like that, the one click solution is easier to implement. On an installed system where a sys admin may even have compiled some of the software and, possibly, put it in a non-standard location, it can be a non-trivial task to make a one click solution. Perhaps the 1000+ devs of Debian are not as intelligent as Warren or perhaps they collaborate on decisions, consensus isn't reached easily in a large group and democratic vote almost always means some people don't get their way. Referring to another comment you made: Some of them Debian devs are old dogs too, I suspect the inability to work well with others has more to do with personality than age. Our world view is often affected by our experience and emotion, even our mental state at the time. Please don't flame me with another of your personal emails, reply to the list for peer review. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:41:06 +0900, Bret Busby wrote: One major problem with Ubuntu, apart from the pseudo thingy, is the colour. I much prefer the blue colour of Debian (kind of like some people and cars; What kind of car do you drive? - A red one ; what kind of linux do I prefer? - A blue one ;) ). The Kubuntu derivative of Ubuntu is blue. :-) Of course, it doesn't have Gnome by default. Perhaps, a convenient solution, to whether newly installed packages should be automatically added to the Applicatopons menu hierarchy, would be that, when an extra package is installed on a system, the package, or the installer (package manager like Synaptic or apt), could institute a dialogue box, on completion of the installation; Do you want this application added to the Applications menu hierarchy?, and, if the answer is y, then the application is automatically added to the Applications menu hierarchy, and, if n, or otherwise the application is not automatically added to the Applications menu hierarchy. I think that that would make a good package development standard - for packages that are installed on a system, that could be run from a menu, to, at the completion of installation, generate a dialogue box that incorporates the option to have the application automatically added to the Applications menu hierarchy; something like (in this case) The Flight Gear package installation has completed. Do you want it automatically added to the Applications menu hierarchy? Enter y for yes . It is a thought... And, I don't disagree with your thought, it's just not the default behaviour I desire. You may file a wish list bug against any package manager you think should have it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
Yes; each workstation installation that we have, whilst it has more than one user account, is used by only one person at a time, and is primarily a single-user system (but, I really don't like the pseudo thingy that Ubuntu uses, rather than having a root account. I much prefer having a root account, for system maintenance, and for packages installations and updates). I may as well mention this too as you seem receptive to respectful discussion. The sudo that Ubuntu uses could also be used in Debian, although I also prefer having a passworded root account(Ubuntu has a root account, it just doesn't have a password). BTW, I love that comment, pseudo -- sudo, nice play on words. :) By default Ubuntu only gives the initial user at install the sudo permissions. The proper way to do an installation of workstations in the situation you describe is to use that initial username as the admin account and not to add all subsequent users as All:All or to the admin group. You'd still have the flexibility to allow sudo to a user and/or group for specific binaries, if that is needed. Similar to the way one might not have every user as an admin on a Windows install in a workgroup situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adding installed packages to menu
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:26:33 +0900, Bret Busby wrote: Synaptic installs then loses packages; it downloads and installs a package and its dependencies, and then, when queried, it shows the package and its dependancies to be installed, but it does not add the packages to the menu, and, in the Properties dialogue box in Synaptic, it shows the application category, where I assume that the application should be added to the Applications menu hierarchy; under the label of Section, on the Common tab, but it does not show anything like a path to the package executable file, so, basically, the package gets installed and then lost, so it cannot be used. Well, it's not really lost. You would be able to run the installed package by entering the appropriate command for the package at the command line of a terminal. If the package maintainer chooses to not have package configuration automagically add it to a menu that doesn't mean it is lost or won't work. The system administrator (who installs the package as root) can decide which and who's menu the package shows up in and that is the behaviour I prefer, perhaps others also do. By the way, since you use Synaptic, if you check the properties of the package from the Synaptic menu and look at the Installed Files tab it will show you where all of the files from the package have been installed. That will give you the location of the executable binary for the package. In addition, it shows the location for any documentation installed, which might be useful to you sometime. All of this can also be done from the command line but you probably want to use the GUI that you are already using. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map.
On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:28:33 +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: I'm not really sure that partitions on modern pc has to be made bootable for grub to work Correct, GRUB doesn't care if a partition is marked as the active partition(bootable), that is something that matters to a DOS(Windows) MBR. To the OP, Daryl, did you follow the steps in the FAQ you mentioned exactly as they were written, it's not clear from your post that you copied the GRUB stage 1, 1.5 and 2 files to the drive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:24:53 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [...] Friendly, Sure, no problem! A piece of advice for you, don't let your ego get involved when posting, some call that wearing a flamesuit on the 'Net. What I did was give you my opinion of your actions, in the hope that the data might be of interest to you and to support the poster, Johannes, who did give useful information for the OP and who threaded it as I would have expected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that. If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take to personal attacks. Jimmy Johnson wrote: This was the first paragraph in your post and was a personal attack. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? So you don't know that I'm a long time Debian user, you don't know that Mepis is Debian based, maybe you don't know much of anything, but you keep typing and giving your opinion and now you tell me not to take it personal. Maybe you should stop attacking people that post to this list. And whats with that YMMV? Seems to me it's nothing more than a way to cover your ignorance. You want to apologize, well then apologize, but don't you dare keep shoving this flame war back on me. And that's my humble opinion, friend. What he did was not a flame, the manner in which you responded certainly did look like a flame to me. Sure, in an OT thread he didn't need to mention that this was a Debian related list but it seemed harmless that he did mention that, not something to get ones ego in a twist about. It seemed to me he was mostly suggesting that Debian would do everything mentioned, if used as it was intended to be used, that it wasn't necessary to change to a different OS or derivative . That had the potential to be useful information for the OP and on topic for the question. In addition, your opinion doesn't look very humble, what you wrote seemed to be an arrogant attack. Now I think it possible you will flame me for pointing this out to you. Please don't. And, please notice the difference between asking, please don't and writing, don't you dare. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: creating and logging a daily cron job
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:10:01 +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: On Fri,17.Oct.08, 18:10:26, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: this doesn't seem to be true the job runs and produces output and root mail is (via /etc/aliases - thanks to Doug!) sent to me but yet I don't get any o/p from /etc/cron.daily jobs whereas I do from all Emanoil, just so you know, I agree with Andrei. Sarge is, in my opinion, a bad choice for a production server at this point in history. I don't have any way of knowing what you downloaded recently, I have no idea when you last upgraded but when Lenny comes out, you should probably consider dist-upgrade. The Sarge repository won't stay in the same location for too long after it becomes oldstable, it will be archived. Do you know when lenny becomes stable? Since I know you from other lists, I will say it this way, not trying to be sarcastic. Answer: The Debian Way - Lenny will be released, when it is ready. :-) Actually, you could follow the release critical bugs and get a pretty good idea of readiness. I'm surprised you didn't already know this but I'm also surprised you're still running Sarge, you've not mentioned that previously. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: welcome back
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:34:18 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: No such luck. I'd be concerned that the broadband modem would produce too much interference with my wife (remember my low-MHz thread). I know that a DSL filter causes problems. Of course, I don't know your wife, but around here DSL filters reduce interference. It's phones that don't have those traps on them that buzz. Perhaps I'm not understanding, I don't remember the thread. However, now that I'm in a town instead of the boonies, I've doubled my dial-up speed: I'm finally at 56K! Are you sure Doug, telco lines are capped at 53, might show an initial connect at 56 but it isn't going to sustain that even if the CO is next door. If I remember correctly, if anything was really at 56, there could be be some splatter between carrier channels from CO to CO or some such reason that the tariff only says 53. But I know your pain. Out here I can only sustain between 33 to 38 on a large download but the CO is miles and miles away. And, no broadband because I can't afford sat. dish Internet and there is no cable. It's really inconvenient for upgrades and takes three days to download an ISO for a live CD but I think you are familiar with that, eh? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
