lilo with multiple kernels/partitions
what kind of entry do I need to add to lilo.conf to get lilo to boot a alternate kernel located on a Zip disk? I can use a custom boot floppy and mount the Zip disk (/dev/sda1) as root but it would be simpler if I didn't need the floppy... one less disk to misplace ;-) Thanks, Tim -- ## # # # # # # ## ## # # # # # Debian GNU Linux ## # # # # # # ## # ## # # # # Power to the people... # # # ## # # E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Burning a CD
Making a CD under Win95 with 8.3 filenames *WILL* break the install - instead, make the disk with joliet filenales. Then your best bet is to install a minimal system with kernel sources via FTP and add the joliet file system patch and recompile the kernel. (The patch is available at http://www.linuxhq.com ) Then the system will be able to read the disk burned with EasyCD Pro. If you have any further questions, let me know... Tim -- ## # # # # # # ## ## # # # # # Debian GNU Linux ## # # # # # # ## # ## # # # # Power to the people... # # # ## # # E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
libc6-dev and kernel-stuff question
Okay - I bet this has been asked before and, if so, my apologies... I just finished my upgrade to hamm and have a few pkgs that will not configure due to dependance on libc6-dev which refuses to configure due to dependance on the kernel-headers (or kernel-source) package version 2.0.32-2 that does not seem to be available... where can I find kernel-headers-2.0.32_2.0.32-2.deb? TIA Tim -- ## # # # # # # ## ## # # # # # Debian GNU Linux ## # # # # # # ## # ## # # # # Power to the people... # # # ## # # E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
problem using SCSI tape devices
I have just switched from RedHat 4.2 (gee, it seems I preface all my mail to this list with that...grin) and am having a problem accessing my tape drive (a Conner DDS-2 SCSI drive) The drive responds to the mt commands I have issued (ie, mt tell, mt datcompression, mt rewind, etc) but I have been unable to either restore any of the backups I already had on tape before the switch or write to tape (using tar). The console locks up and I cannot free it by switching to another VT and killing the process. Here are some more details: $TAPE = /dev/tape which is a symlink to /dev/nst0 BTW, what are those other devices -- nst0a, nst0l, nst0m, etc? I am using kernel 2.0.32 with support for generic SCSI, Buslogic SCSI adapters, SCSI tapes, SCSI disks I was using the command tar -xv * to restore a complete archive to the current directory Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks! Tim -- ## # # # # # # ## ## # # # # # Debian GNU Linux ## # # # # # # ## # ## # # # # Power to the people... # # # ## # # E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
paths and su
As a recent Debian convert (from Red Hat) I am finding myself a bit disoriented at times... my latest question concerns su and paths. When I su to root my path does not end up being what I expect it too and I can't figure out exactly what is setting it. I have edited /etc/login.defs to be certain that _that_ is not what is doing it. Here are the details: su to root path in login.defs: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:~/bin: however when I su to root I get a path like this... /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin I am not modifying the path in any environment files such as .bash_profile -- what is resetting my path?? Of course, when I use su - or su -l the path is fine (actually, it is the normal full path I set for root) but then the shell has no knowledge of the value of DISPLAY. It is a pain to have to set the DISPLAY variable each time I want to run an X program... Please help... Thanks! Tim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: paths and su
On 22 Dec, Bob Nielsen let loose with: -- Could it possibly be that the environment when you su is set by -- /root/.bashrc rather than /root/bash_profile? -- -- Bob Nope, I double checked this to be sure. I have only aliases in my bashrc files (global, user, and root). I am inclined to think that this is being set by a default config file somewhere though, because of the inclusion of /usr/bin/X11 - I always refer to this dir as /usr/X11r6/bin. Any other thoughts? Tim -- ## # # # # # # ## ## # # # # # Debian GNU Linux ## # # # # # # ## # ## # # # # Power to the people... # # # ## # # E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
upgrading to libc6 -- xlib6g
I have begun upgrading my system to libc6 and am now wanting to upgrade xlib6 to xlib6g. Neuther dpkg nor dselect will let me do this. I forced the install without success - it installed but did not configure properly. After fixing that I thought a bit of advice might help :-) Any suggestions? BTW, the reason I am upgrading xlib6 is so I can install tcl/tk 8.0 as well as a few apps that depend on them... Thanks! Tim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
unremoveable file
I am in the process of upgrading to libc6 *sigh* which is proving to be somewhat of a challenge... anyhow, in the process I have found something rather strange. Somehow /etc/mail has been changed from a directory to a block device that I cannot get rid of! Here is the listing: br-xr-x-wx 1 2287121811 89, 117 Jul 26 2027 /etc/mail I cannot remove it: I cannot chown it. Any ideas?? Also, when I try to acces any man pages groff dies complaining it cannot find a DESC file. What's up with that? All worked fine before... Oh, in case it helps, here is a list of hamm packages I have installed: bash_2.01-5.deblibgdbm1_1.7.3-22.deb comerr2g_1.10-9.deblibgdbmg1_1.7.3-21.deb dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19.deb libreadline2_2.1-7.deb dpkg-ftp_1.4.9.deb libreadlineg2_2.1-7.deb dpkg_1.4.0.19.deb ncurses3.0_1.9.9e-2.deb e2fslibsg_1.10-9.deb ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-7.deb ldso_1.9.6-2.deb xlib6g_3.3.1-2.deb libc6-dev_2.0.5c-0.1.deb libc6_2.0.5c-0.1.deb libg++272_2.7.2.8-0.1.deb data-dumper_2.07-1.deb mailtools_1.09-1.deb dpkg-perl_0.1-2.debperl-base_5.004.04-3.deb libcgi-perl_2.76-3.deb perl-debug_5.004.04-3.deb libmime-perl_3.204-1.deb perl-suid_5.004.04-3.deb libnet-perl_1.0502-1.deb perl-tk_400.202-9.deb libwww-perl_5.17-1.deb perl_5.004.04-3.deb Thanks... Tim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 16 Nov, George Bonser let loose with:
As for hardcopy, I dunno, seems to me that the thing is changing too fast. By
the time the book gets broken in it is obsolete since Debian tends to evolve
so quickly. What I would like to see is a book in a binder where update pages
can be made available at regular intervals. I would like the paper to be
tough
and the area around the holes to be reinforced.
Excellent idea... In fact, this is probably my pet peeve with Linux
books in general. I have been using Linux for about a year and have
fallen victim several times to inaccurate information... (I dare say
that nothing is more distressing for a newbie!! ;-) This would be an
excellent idea!
- Tim
{an aside to Dale...} I must say that I for one am very happy to see a
book on Debian... I am in the process of switching from Red Hat (mostly
because of dpkg/dselect's excellent handling of dependencies and
Debian's commitment to be non-commercial) and your book has been quite
helpful. Thank you.
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Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 17 Nov, Bill Leach let loose with: The usefulness of this RedHat technical support for me however, proved to worthless. Tech support registration and receipt of 'trouble tracking numbers' turned out to be the only part of their system that functioned. NO email response beyond the auto-responders was ever received -- no questions, no suggestions, nada! Same here... while I usually find myself on my own with most tech support, at least there is a response even if it is not helpful...8-/ I was also dissappointed to learn that after paying for the Red Hat official CD set I voided my right to tech support by recompiling the kernel with sound support. (Gee, why would I want to do THAT...) Not to bash Red Hat or anything - I mean, we are all trying to promote Linux - I just feel that if you are going to offer tech support then you should deliver... The users list provided some suggestions, none of which helped but still there was an attempt by other users. Finally, I received the ONE suggestion that worked, from another user experiencing the same sort of problems that I was experiencing Switch to debian!! That worked! Agreed! - Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 15 Nov, butch let loose with: Hello, well i was in JR music worlds computer store and i saw the set- ,and they have a really good price on it. has anyone bought it and what are your opinions of the value for money? I got the book about two weeks ago - I am somewhat new to debain so it was a good primer... A lot of it focuses on installation though, which personally I did not need. I also wish that there had been coverage on actually making packages with debmake, etc. All in all it is a good book to have on the shelf if you like printed documentation. A word of caution, though... I did not have much success with the Custom CD. Dselect choked on certain packages - I don't know the cause right off, but just be warned... C Ya! Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
using dpkg to see the contents of a package
I am new to Debian, so this may be a somewhat stupid question... Is there a way to use dpkg to list the contents, etc. of a package that is not installed? I like to see what it is I am installing first, and when I used rpm I could query the contents first. Is there a dpkg equivalent? Thanks! Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Window Managers..
On 16 Nov, Zach Wilkes let loose with: okay I've used linux for a little bit now but I have yet to figure this one out.. How do you change the window manager for X? and where does one get new window managers? I was reading boot magazine the other day and it had an article on linux and it had a picture of a really cool geiger-esque window manager and I was wondering where one would get something like that.. Thanx, Zach Hey Zach - The window manager in question was Enlightenment, which you can get from http://www.mandrake.net/e/ (follow the link to the ftp directory on the download page) There you will find a debian-deb directory. Be aware, however, that last I checked those packages were not up to date - you would be better of getting the tar.gz package. Everything installs to /usr/local/enlightenment so removing it would not be a problem... but why would you want to do that?! grin To change your window manager, simply create a file called .xinitrc in your home directory that looks like this: - begin sample - #!/bin/bash xset m 6 3 xset s off exec enlightenment - end - The first two commands setup the mouse and screen blanking (see the xset man page for more details) and then the last line calls the window manager of your choosing. Make sure to not put the after the line that calls the wm... HTH, - Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] source package building
On 12 Nov, Aaron Denney let loose with: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Santiago Vila Doncel writes: That extra step does often take just a little more time. The build takes often much more time. *.deb files have an internal structure that only dpkg knows about. I'm not sure what you want to achieve. I thought he was fairly clear. He wants 'make install' to create a binary package and then install it without manual intervention. Sounds sensible to me. Close, but not quite. I would like 'make install' or similar to build the programs, configuration files, pre/postinst scripts, and then install them, _without_ actually building a .deb binary package file, but still modifying dpkg's view of what is installed. It just seems silly to pack everything into a .deb file and then have dpkg unpack it to install it. Certainly just going ahead and having it build the binary package and then installing that is feasible, and even fairly easily automatable, but it looks like an unnecessary step. I think this is so because it is desirable (for many reasons) to keep pristine sources and binaries separate. Perhaps unnecessary for the present case, but think in terms of having to reinstall... or wanting to duplicate your install on another system. Just my take on it... - Tim -- Debian GNU Linux Power to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
finding myself on DDS-2 tape...
Is there a formula for determining what percentage of tape I have left after a backup? I use 'mt tell' to get the current block on tape - how do I know how many blocks are on the tape? I am using a 4-8GB DAT drive with 90m and 120m tapes. I just need some kind of idea of how much tape is left... Thanks, Tim -- Debian GNU Linux Power to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Anybody using Syquest drives??
Anybody using Syquest drives under Linux, especially the SyJet?? I am considering buying one and wonder about their quality and reliability. Thanks! Tim -- Debian GNU Linux Power to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MTA Suggestion
On 10 Nov, Craig Sanders let loose with: On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Tim Ferrell wrote: there's also the 'minor' problem that only a few MUAs (i don't know of one except for qmail-popper) will work with qmail's new maildir format. Actually this is not entirely true... You can set up qmail to use mbox files - but as you point out, the author strongly discourages this. NFS issues aside, I do not care much for maildir. yes, the debian qmail package in experimental/ even uses them by default. only problem is that a user's main mailbox file is in the WRONG place, in ~/Mailbox rather than /var/spool/mail/username where it belongs. I still don't know of any MUAs which will read mail from either maildir or ~/Mailbox. admittedly, configuring pine or elm to read ~/Mailbox rather than the usual spool dir is pretty simplebut that requires every user on the system to reconfigure their mail client. For the record, xfmail uses maildir format which I found terribly kludgy... it too could import and export, but I found having a file per message overkill. I have mail set up on this system to be forwarded to procmail which sorts and delivers to several mbox files in ~/mail. I sort my mail into logically-named files by content and use tkrat as my MUA. I keep all my mail (except the real junk) so a simple script can save current mail to my archive. I have been *very* pleased with this arrangement... I prefer to use software written by authors who are responsive to user's needs. I am a consultant so I know the necessity of this... I am developing an app for a company currently that is to integrate several steps in their design process and have the difficulty of trying to integrate an app by a company whose support is pitiful... and , of course, they are less than helpful when they do respond. sigh finally, qmail is non-free. debian CAN'T use it as the default MTA. Why is it non-free? because you can't distribute modified source, modified binaries, or even pre-compiled binaries without special approval from the author. price is probably the least important factor in what makes a program free - the freedom is in freedom to modify and distribute, not in zero cost. Anyhow, I will stick with sendmail, despite its complexity - it is a known quantity and does what *I* like... ;-) me too. i look at other MTAs from time to time, just to keep up with alternative ways of doing things, but i haven't yet found a compelling reason to switch away from sendmail. vmail sounds like it will be good when it's released, but that was still in the design stage last time i looked at the vmail web pages (a few months ago...i'll dig up the url if you're interested). personally, i think that sendmail is actually simpler to configure than smail or eximor more precisely, debian's sendmailconfig script can configure a system which will meet the needs of wild guess 99% /wild guess users. run sendmailconfig, answer a few questions, and you end up with a sendmail.cf file which works. if you need something more complex, you can either edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc or /etc/sendmail.cf directly. yeah, this is true... when I switched from Red Hat to Debian not to long ago I was quite pleased with this script. In RH you are faced with the task of setting sendmail up yourself if your needs vary from the default install (and whose don't!) but I was able to get most of the way there with that script. Very nice... sendmail also happens to be the best documented MTA around - there's at least 2 or 3 good books devoted to sendmail. this was one of the reason i finally gave up on smail - i couldn't find any books on smail anywhere (the bat book isn't what i'd consider light reading but at least it exists). Documentation, especially *printed* documentation is a critical issue as well. Sendmail documentation, though vast, seems clearer to me than others. I spent a good week or so pouring over qmail's documentation with very little success... -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- Debian GNU Linux Power to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MTA Suggestion
On 10 Nov, Craig Sanders let loose with: On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Jason Costomiris wrote: I nominate qmail + tcpserver/tcpcontrol. I'm in the process of converting all of my boxes to it. Very nice, easy to control relaying/spam, and FAST. no way! qmail might be excellent at what it does but it's incompatible with /var/spool/mail. the one time i installed it, i couldn't even get it to use procmail as the local delivery agent instead of qmail-local (putting a .qmail file in every home directory is NOT a viable option, i want procmail as THE local delivery agent). i didn't spend much time on it though - reading the docs and faqs etc just made me angry at the author's arrogant attitude. there's also the 'minor' problem that only a few MUAs (i don't know of one except for qmail-popper) will work with qmail's new maildir format. Actually this is not entirely true... You can set up qmail to use mbox files - but as you point out, the author strongly discourages this. NFS issues aside, I do not care much for maildir. but the biggest problem with qmail is the author's attitude. The sad thing is that it is often difficult for most people to separate genuine issues from personal crusades... finally, qmail is non-free. debian CAN'T use it as the default MTA. Why is it non-free? Anyhow, I will stick with sendmail, despite its complexity - it is a known quantity and does what *I* like... ;-) - Tim -- Debian GNU Linux Power to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux and Power Computing machine
On 6 Nov, Karl let loose with: Hello!, I am working at my high school to set up a web server. The hardware we have available is a power computing 180 running Mac os8. I run debian on my Pentium at home, and would like to install it to run the web server (hopefully apache) and the 180 at school. I had tried to get ppclinux to run, but apparently the machine doesn't have openfirmware so I could not go that route. So then I tried mklinux, but that won't work either because the machine uses ide not the typical scsi disks and I was unable to install mklinux. Does anyone know of a way to install any type of linux distribution on this box, a Power Computing 180?? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks -km Have you tried using the Red Hat installer? Here is a link to a page that may shed more light on this (as well as a few others I found) http://www.linuxppc.org/help/install_help/Mac/ http://www.linuxppc.org/help http://www.gr.osf.org/~stephen/linux.html http://www.mklinux.apple.com/info/related.html let me know how things turn out... C Ya! Tim -- Science has promised man power...But, as so often happens when people are seduced by promises of power, the price is servitude and impotence. Power is nothing if it is not the power to choose. Joseph Weizenbaum of MIT Linux is choice - Linux is power. E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/4757/index.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Number Nine Imagine 128 series 2 under Linux
Anybody running a Number Nine Imagine 128 series 2 with XFree? I have the opportunity to get one at a good price and wonder how well it performs... Thanks Tim -- Science has promised man power...But, as so often happens when people are seduced by promises of power, the price is servitude and impotence. Power is nothing if it is not the power to choose. Joseph Weizenbaum of MIT Linux is choice - Linux is power. E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/4757/index.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problems with Jaz partitioning
On 3 Nov, Andy Dougherty let loose with: On 2 Nov 1997, David S. Zelinsky wrote: I recently had a problem with my Jaz drive, that Iomega, after giving me quite a run-around, eventually conceded was a bad drive (Jaz Tools couldn't even complete a format). I have had similar problems. I have gone through 5 Jaz drives and 7 disks in less than a year. The longest one lasted was 3 months. Others have failed out-of-the-box. Iomega has replaced them all under warranty (though the last replacement took over a month, and I have racked up a fair amount of shipping costs). I have, at various times, tried to use the same Jaz drive with Windows NT, Solaris_x86, Solaris_SPARC, and Debian (both stable and unstable) distributions. I have used three different motherboards/SCSI controllers, several different cable sets, and two different active terminators. I am convinced that the problems are with the Jaz disks and drive, not the O.S. or computer. But in my conversations with Iomega's tech support, I was told not to use any formatting tools other than the one provided by Iomega (JazTools, for Win95). They claim that other formatting utilities can destroy the Jaz disk. They said this is because the Jaz disks use proprietary hidden tracks, called Z-tracks, and non-Jaz formatters won't handle these correctly. I don't know whether any of this is true, or whether it applies to fsck (they specifically said the Win95 ScanDisk, as well as the Adaptec 2940 BIOS utility, are a no-no's); and if so, I don't understand how one could cause actual damage to the disk (as opposed to data on the disk). But that's what they said. Hmm. Iomega support never told me that. And, their FAX-back service actually sends you instructions on how to use other formatting utilities. Sounds like they need to get their act together. If anyone can shed any light on this issue, I'd be interested. As things stand now, I'm a little afraid to put anything on the disk other than the vfat partition made by JazTools. I've also had problems with the Jaz Tools original disk where I didn't touch the formatting at all. In short, I have yet to find the recipe to keep my Jaz drives going. Keep good backups :-). Andy Dougherty[EMAIL PROTECTED] I must say that I find all this strange... I have been using my jaz drive under both Linux and Win95 with ext2 and vfat-formatted media with no problems other than one defective disk. To be honest though, I don't trust *any* storage media much. After all, they all fail... so keep *redundant* backups is what I say. ;-) C ya! Tim -- Science has promised man power...But, as so often happens when people are seduced by promises of power, the price is servitude and impotence. Power is nothing if it is not the power to choose. Joseph Weizenbaum of MIT Linux is choice - Linux is power. E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/4757/index.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
