How to make mkofboot just generate ofboot.b without installing it anywhere?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to make mkofboot generate an ofboot.b based on a yaboot.conf and simply leave it in my ext3 filesystem, letting me decide where I want to put it. I have read the man page, and, so far as I can tell, mkofboot is determined to put ofboot.b on an HFS, fat, or raw filesystem of type Apple_Bootstrap. I need this feature in order to find a better workaround for bug #604134, which can cause Debian Installer to break a completelly unrelated operating system in a way that, for some users, might not be repairable short of wiping the whole hard drive. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604134 My current workaround loses the functionality of ofboot.b. Linux can still be booted from yaboot, but there is no ofboot.b menu that lets you select between different operating systems. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJN2VoAAAoJEKlMTST7VF+o1/gIAJdrz4yAdzYSynpiVapgGbvEew4k 4JTmPjrPHR2piN+ieqmKCCrTxpxpCYfC3+w/s5AsRKCQRNZawwwU9o6bfdNQ0ALKdX9a OV882l4bMPx60dKxy+5VLyzWx1bSBZkCImqBOvyVM6xn1XqjDVklOi/rSut3hnN7zYmO 0Buet9+yncZAX4PWC2PkzefI1CdMpRHu6i8zUx9VBEIUEG1dvCLfsExAK4z6qxciaBGI Ruq6M1MoGAK5Hm5R7opzr1OacHPTDPLh4UP/iP4D70DmOm3YRcgKhR8ZmC992q0o+WLS kUSRrsq1yQkpPWI3qK/Pb2lzj46Q4WkOwtAfRBEw7BA= =kzWV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110522184624.c3b04e6...@smtp.hushmail.com
Re: Adventures multi-booting late 2003 iBook G3 (was: What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I actually found a horribly convoluted way of installing Debian without breaking Mac OS 9.2.2. However, my G3 does apparently have hardware support for large disks. I can partition the whole disk from Tiger and Mac OS 9.2.2 can still be installed and booted. I haven't tried asking Mac OS 9.2.2 to actually boot from or mount any partitions over the 128GB limit, but it doesn't appear to be bothered by it. I'm not sure what is happening differently on your computer. According to Speedtools, it ought not be a problem for Mac OS Classic so long as Classic doesn't actually need any partition above the 128GB limit. I don't use Speedtools, but that's what they say ought to happen if you boot without it. I do remember on one occasion, I partitioned Debian with partman but did not install yaboot, and Mac OS 9.2.2 still booted, until I installed yaboot. On another occasion that I installed Debian w/out yaboot, having partitioned with partman, Mac OS 9.2.2 did become broken. The first time, the disk was initially partition with OS X - - - the second time, with Classic. Perhaps when partman saw the Classic parition table was smaller than the actual disk, it felt an obsessive compulsive need to fix it by re-initializing, and in doing so, broke the partition map. I'm really not sure. In any case, for me at least, bypassing both partman and automatic yaboot installation fixed the problem, although it did involve wiping the disk and starting from scratch. It sound like maybe you were having a slightly different problem. I think perhaps there are multiple bugs here. On 20/05/2011, Joel Rees wrote: > I blogged about this a couple of years back. (Fedora, rather than > Debian.) You may have discovered this all the hard way by now, but > I'll post the link anyway: > > http://reiisi.blogspot.com/2009/05/fedora-on-old-clamshell- ibook.html > > I think the only thing the blog really adds is that you can probably > get around the Mac OS 9 partition being walked on by something like > the following: > > After your fresh install of Mac OS 9, make sure it's updated as far as > you want the Mac OS 9 system updated, and make sure there's a copy of > the Apple Hard Disk utility on the Mac OS 9 partition. > > iBooks with Firewire can boot from an external drive. After a certain > model number (check Apple's hardware pages) hey can boot from USB as > well as Firewire. So you can make a copy of your booting Mac OS 9 > partition (with Apple's disk imaging utility, or, even by > drag-and-drop copying, usually) and boot from an external drive in > some cases. > > If that doesn't work for you, you should still be able to copy the > partition and burn a CD-R (but not CD-RW) from the copy, and end up > with a bootable CD from which to run Apple's HD Utilitiy. > > (Ergo, to get you out of the bind when Debian's installer walks on the > Mac OS 9 partiions.) > > (I did file a bug on this in Fedora's Bugzilla, but they couldn't get > the hardware and the spare personnel with the technical expertise all > together long enough to fix it, I think. Wish I had the time to look > at it myself.) > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:10 AM, wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:23:26 + annathemerm...@hush.com wrote: >>>On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:14:43 + Roger Leigh >>> wrote: > Now that Debian is up and running, is there documentation somewhere > explaining how to make yaboot offer options to boot OpenBSD and/or > NetBSD? It should be possible, but AFAIK it's currently broken: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372780 Looks like it's simple to fix, but there wasn't anyone who could test it properly. Regards, Roger >>> >>>I've been having a more serious issue with yaboot: it seems to >>>wreck the Mac Os Classic disk drivers so Mac OS 9.2.2 can't boot >>>anymore. Instead, it just shows this sort of flashing flopping >>>image. Apparently, the usual workaround is to boot into the >>>Classic >>>install CD and select the Update Drivers function from the Disk >>>Setup. Unfortunately, since I have a late 2003 model that barely >>>supports booting into Classic, the installation program is only >>>capable of running from withing OS X's Classic Mode; it doesn't >>>work when booted directly off the CD. The Tiger and Panther >>>installation disks only seem to be capable of installing the >>>drivers when partitioning the disk from scratch; they don't know >>>how to fix the drivers without wiping the disk. So, no Update >>>Drivers for me. The problem does not occur if Debian is installed >>>without the yaboot Apple_Bootstrap partition, but then, of course, >>>there's no way to boot Debian. Creating the Apple_Bootstrap >>>partition with OpenBSD's pdisk rather than Debian's mac-fdisk >>>doesn't help either, so I think the problem must occur when yaboot >>>actually installs itself onto the Apple_Bootstrap p
Re: UUID - autmatically entries?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/05/2011, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2011 11:33:17 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> The install program seems to automatically rewrite UUIDs if you ask it >> to erase a partition. IMHO, the method for handling disk naming is still >> a work in progress. In the meantime, my particular kluge involves using >> labels. They are shorter to type and easier to remember. > > (...) > > I'd say there is no perfect method to manage this. > > I still miss the old-plain-intuitive method for designating block devices > (hda → first ide, hdb → second ide device, sda → first scsi/sata device, > etc...) but we have to cope the new changes because they are vry much > needed (nowadays we connect many devices of diverse nature, most of them > hot-swappable and they cannot overlap). I recently performed a manual installation of Debian, bypassing partman (in order to bypass a severe problem with partman and/or yaboot that was breaking another OS), and thus configured the fstab manually. I used devices, just like I always do when editing fstabs. It works fine. I don't see any reason to change it? What do UUIDs give me that /dev/hdx or /dev/sdx don't, aside from being harder to read and a pain to setup? > In this regard, every user chooses the best method for identifying hard > disks (I like labels for removable devices and uuid/id for fixed hard > disks) but lastly this is just a matter of convenience, here there is no > "one size fits all", no method is perfect for all the situations and all > of them have their own drawbacks. > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.05.21.17.57...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJN2IoiAAoJEKlMTST7VF+oFJUH/iaru04qtSBHYGhrgkq3j6yHCZNz vNjYo54+LJiva7zgH4Nb0GhALacRjyLnVtyMdonYO6gQqvd5KxKjDyP4IO00D1SvJeR2 GQ6bnnGOwN6IFbvhN950SZ9pnVNR7MWt4ftCAaLjg21Oiufgmzph6XBHoGwRuc3wo/CV EkcGmqs8cCWNNo5ENQ+xq6/rEk9oiWscg0zorkIMYfGWXwPhW9sWdwjoXlS0+JtCRTEg x5A7a8ESWp1yRGsBN9cpLxmt/E7me2tOlF+e/aDL2FRA+shNjSzAC8mU8qVN8pA1u3ja 0dCHXTjMvUFOum00k4RRQmlOvtJQLa+ZLIn7/q/L67M= =4LME -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110522035930.bc11ee6...@smtp.hushmail.com
Re: Adventures multi-booting late 2003 iBook G3 (was: What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:23:26 + annathemerm...@hush.com wrote: >On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:14:43 + Roger Leigh > wrote: >>> Now that Debian is up and running, is there documentation >>somewhere >>> explaining how to make yaboot offer options to boot OpenBSD >>and/or >>> NetBSD? >> >>It should be possible, but AFAIK it's currently broken: >>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372780 >> >>Looks like it's simple to fix, but there wasn't anyone who could >>test it properly. >> >>Regards, >>Roger > >I've been having a more serious issue with yaboot: it seems to >wreck the Mac Os Classic disk drivers so Mac OS 9.2.2 can't boot >anymore. Instead, it just shows this sort of flashing flopping >image. Apparently, the usual workaround is to boot into the >Classic >install CD and select the Update Drivers function from the Disk >Setup. Unfortunately, since I have a late 2003 model that barely >supports booting into Classic, the installation program is only >capable of running from withing OS X's Classic Mode; it doesn't >work when booted directly off the CD. The Tiger and Panther >installation disks only seem to be capable of installing the >drivers when partitioning the disk from scratch; they don't know >how to fix the drivers without wiping the disk. So, no Update >Drivers for me. The problem does not occur if Debian is installed >without the yaboot Apple_Bootstrap partition, but then, of course, >there's no way to boot Debian. Creating the Apple_Bootstrap >partition with OpenBSD's pdisk rather than Debian's mac-fdisk >doesn't help either, so I think the problem must occur when yaboot >actually installs itself onto the Apple_Bootstrap partition. >Wiping >the disk and installing Mac OS X / Mac OS 9.2.2 from scratch will >resolve the issue, but then of course it will break again when I >install Debian again. I notice that the bug report is rather recent, being filed against squeeze. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604134 I wonder if it would work properly if wiped the disk, and tried again, but this time used squeeze with lenny's yaboot. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJN1WstAAoJEKlMTST7VF+o/VsIAKVKSgAkkkpP35ah5Y9cZCFL2Qrp 2lGLzR+uLnmWAIlQiEChBoGxutvY82CDuNpbYUIS6qqMlGfDxN2H/9V8A/UrE/su3iw5 pZjCPXloRxMwwwyq9oeYr2QDdAzAJn+XdiAW0n+NCpsz6V0IN6yrrfhmtC0ogtRHOQQ4 CywOUcX6Ct3ewxshROKomH2WU3+4XbIIAhEdGnF5w6rDpUqt6NiQt4wiN8R8WjUXHVQX qDlaKoSZCx2nni/LkwF+NFpsr1XgKwsls3QuFxb0ycLzc+16JT4kW8ffgsv3D9IwJWyf lYwmWJzxyLVZaQxQqv6tERoluZrJyvqSOAVodvc3JIs= =Zurw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110519191037.467dfe6...@smtp.hushmail.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19 May 2011 16:48, wrote: > From: annathemerm...@hush.com > Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 03:59:39 + >> The standard is PTSN. > > Don't you mean PSTN? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_network Yes, forgive the dyslexia. >> ... home phone is usually cheaper ... > > A few years ago when Shaw bought the cable service on Pender Island, > my Telus bill was about $28/mo. Shaw offered 24/7 cable Internet > for $25/mo. So the cost of Shaw cable plus SkypeIn and SkypeOut was > about the same as the cost of a Telus line. The convenience and speed > of Internet access via cable modem rather than dialup put the balance > in favour of Shaw. Telephone companies in Canada take good advantage > of their entrenchedness. Unfortunately, "unlimited" SkypeIn and SkypeOut aren't actually "unlimited", if you read the fine print, and if you go over, it goes to the per-minute rate. I can't stand things that have hidden fees. With a real telephone company, unlimited generally actually means unlimited. >> ... leave your computer on all the time you want to be reachable ... > > As with a telephone. Unplug and it won't ring. There is far less reason to unplug the telephone than the computer. The computer uses a lot more electricity. The computer generates heat, which is very annoying in New Mexico during the summer if you don't have air conditioning (albeit probably not a problem in Canada with the exception of your very hottest summer days). The more you run the computer, the faster you'll wear it out and have to buy a new one. A lot of those problems are mitigated if you run BSD or Linux, especially without X11, but a personal computer still can't compete with the low power, low heat output, high stability of a corded telephone. I could keep my electric bill, nice renewable 100% wind energy at that, down to around 20-40 USD a month by actually doing things like turning off lights when not in use, unplugging appliances when not in use, and keeping my computer off when not in use. The corded telephone was one of the few things that was always on. I even found a way to turn off the electric water heater at night. So I could save money and be eco-friendly at the same time! >> ... runs up the electric bill ... > > Use a handheld which consumes about as much power as a cordless phone. Firstly, seeing as how I've already mentioned that I'm broke, do you really think I'm going to go out and buy a fancy expensive handheld just to have low power? Secondly, I'm not comparing to a cordless phone (which is annoying, insecure, gives me a headache, bothers certain friends with heart problems, and, worst of all, doesn't work during power outages). I'm comparing to a good old-fashioned corded phone. >> ... miss calls when you have it [computer] off ... > > Diamondcard & SkypeIn & others provide voice messaging. So do Google Voice, Community Voicemail, and Sipgate, for free. Google Voice and Sipgate also provide nice lists of missed cass. But I don't get to hear the phone ring and pick it up if I don't have something plugged in, and a computer is not suitable to be that 24/7 something. >> Two choices ... left: Google Voice and SIP. > > Is there an objection to SIP or to paying a gateway company such as > Diamondcard a few dollars/year? Yes, at the moment, because I'm broke right now. Those few dollars could probably provide a day's worth of organic food, which is more important that phone service. When I'm not broke anymore, I'll probably go back to PSTN, unless SIP can compete on the reliability front. > Regards, ... Peter E. > > -- > Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca > Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. > Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057011.35885.33703@cantor.invalid On 19 May 2011 16:37, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Hi, > > I'm going to snip an awful lot [around 18KB of text email] now, but your > email was a great read! The size was impressive even with the biggish > chunks of referred text, there was plenty of new dialogue. Thanks. :-) > annathemerm...@hush.com wrote: >> >> So your father bought a new laptop to use XP again. If he really >> wanted to use XP again, it would've been sufficient for him to >> simply buy a new install disc and license, but in any case, he was >> obviously sufficiently financially well off to afford it. > > Some laptops are cheaper than buying a FPP these days, amazing. Which is one reason why a lot of financially disadvantaged people ought to be perfectly happy with a Linux or BSD used computer. Then there's no need to pay the Microsoft tax. Alright, even learning KDE or Gnome might take a little effort, but less effort than having to w
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Errr... why don't you just open a normal xterm and then type "su" at the prompt. It should ask you for the root password, which you can then type in, press enter, and viola! Terminal with root privileges. Alternatively, if su hasn't been set up, sudo probably has. You can accomplish something similar with a shell escape. sudo sudo /bin/bash With sudo, you type in your user password, rather than the root password. On 19 May 2011 03:12, Ken Heard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > If it does I cannot find it. > > In KDE 3.5 the panel kicker has an applet called "Terminal Sessions". > Clicking on it provided a choice of Xterms to open, including one for > root which required the root password to open. I can't find the > equivalent in KDE 4.5. Is there one? > > Regards, Ken Heard > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAk3UipIACgkQlNlJzOkJmTeP0wCfTKF6G5kgj6oHr1RmRjEGDiMY > 3SUAnixSNqgW/+KoJzWk0G2jgVqX2Upz > =5fZS > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd48a93.7090...@heard.name > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJN1JhdAAoJEKlMTST7VF+ofsIH/3w7dcEzH6yu9Eh2cvApu0SPQD7e CfHiRPDgO2zHNZ5xrnLPq15KInjQrReEXRhhsFDh9I1gChuzMqM0gRjXfDqypPED47HC 3bjKWyn0u0nN4Wtzc5lv/uFNKSnULdU7XMmxn1yltdggs85oNwBbTTr2EtsmIMWEwVx8 xip7WEA2JEpuJDtg9hWNpTL5BrU1z4SdhQZP5Id3/RtXmCBtMWdAYeHYf0GyHOPfcKsE k27Ak1akr21pahKWlimWPv1HXrSjxdHdDUsw5m+SkGm9yvGeRoTm1Genmvpw+VG8zNuX rw7TSahzTQ+u8B6PfRSN9eevmj9dEMFcHnF+UYdRo64= =i3FU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110519041109.261f114d...@smtp.hushmail.com
Re: So much for Skype.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 May 2011 15:42, Jamie Thompson wrote: > On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: >>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote: So Skype has been bought by Microsoft. I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is shaking his head with the inevitability of it all. This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives. And if it doesn't, that will say more than any success could. Curt- Well, if you mean alternative ways to call Skype users without actually running Skype, there are rumors the the Chinese already succeeded in reverse engineering it. http://www.asteriskvoipnews.com/skype/chinese_clone_reverse_engineer s_skype_protocol.html If you mean alternative internet-based phones... well, there's already a long list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi==+gKf0ju2rn60umie5+Uvi2m=y...@mail.gma il.com >>> >>> better download that latest linux version now. >>> >>> annoying, but it does work. >> >> Moving on to google talk... >> > > Wish I could get more to do so... > > The problem with social software is that you need to support the > platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows > and Macs. > > Problem is, there are no Windows clients AFAIK with decent Jingle video > support. Google, for some crazy reason, decided to put resources into > making a plugin for GMail rather than adding it to their GTalk client > software. Pidgin doesn't have video on Windows, and I've not found a > decent SIP client yet, let alone a "normal" user with a SIP account to > call them with. > > In an ideal world, I'd like to see ubiquitous Jingle support, and > properly maintained XMPP transports for each proprietary network, with > Jingle support added to those if possible. A ubiquitous free solution > for NAT traversal would be nice too, so you get the same "just works > experience" that Skype offers. > > - Jamie I prefer SIP precisely because it's intercompatible with what (nearly) everyone uses. The standard isn't Skype. The standard is PTSN. It has been for a long time, and it probably will be for a long time to come. If I'm tight on money, and I can only afford phone or internet, but not both, I'm going to pick phone. Why? Aside from usually being cheaper, it's easier to live without home internet than without home phone (or cell phone, but home phone is usually cheaper and more reliable). More people expect to be able to contact me that way. A lot of my friends don't have home computers or home internet, and very few lack a phone of some sort, plus PTSN is the standard real-time distance communications method. For occasional internet to contact people who absolutely insist on using e-mail instead, I can go to the library. Now, I could try to use an internet phone, but then (with some exceptions) you have to leave your computer on all the time you want to be reachable, miss calls when you have it off, the phone doesn't work during power outages (which can be a big thing), runs up the electric bill -- and that's all assuming the connection between your client and the provider is stable even when your computer is up and running, which it often isn't. (Oh, and I might be able to get a few free hours of dial-up every month, enough to check e-mail regularly, although a lot of the free dial-up programs are Windows-only, unfortunately.) So, given the choice between the two, I, and most people, would pick phone. And that's what I normally do, but as these aren't normal times, and I couldn't actually afford either, were it not for the fact that I'm getting internet for free right now (well, using someone else's, with permission of course). But most people still use phone. With Skype, I would have to pay for Skype-In and Skype-Out to interact with them, which defeats the point of not having to pay for phone service. Two choices (that I know of) left: Google Voice and SIP. Google Voice gives me a free number, and free calls out to the U.S. and Canada, which is great. The minority of people who do not use PTSN, for whatever reason, can call directly via Google Talk. And look! GtalktoVOIP, which basically makes Google Voice compatible with most VOIP systems besides Skype, which is apparently to proprietary to be easily supported. Two problems with Google Voice, one minor and one major. Firstly, to make and receive calls over the internet, I have to have Gmail open, in full JavaScript mode, which is a pain on this old computer. Secondly, it's x86/amd64 only, which means it's not just a pain, it's impossible, since this computer is a powerpc. (And don't get me sta
Adventures multi-booting late 2003 iBook G3 (was: What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:14:43 + Roger Leigh wrote: >> Oh, and is there anyway to escape X11 into a nice console? > >Ctrl-Alt-Fn to switch to ttyn. Mysteriously, on powerpc at least, this only works if you do not select the "graphical desktop" set of packages during the installation process. If you do let Debian automatically install pre-chosed graphical desktop software, you can press Ctrl-Alt-Fn-F1 all day to no avail. If you don't and manually add any graphical packages you want with apt-get or aptitude, then you get six consoles plus X11 on Ctrl-Alt-Fn-F7. >> Also, is there any way to make Debian read OpenBSD's disklabel? >> Debian seem to just see one big OpenBSD partition and none of >the >> subpartitions. Does that mean any partitions I want to share, >e.g. >> swap, have to be partitioned with something other than OpenBSD? > >Linux should be perfectly capable of reading BSD disklabels and >see all the slices. However, support needs compiling in to the >kernel for that partition format (CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL). Should >be enabled by default for Debian kernels I think. If not, you >might need to rebuild with it enabled, or possibly just modprobe >it if it can be built as a module (or add to /etc/modules). I still haven't figured out how to make Debian read BSD disklabels, however, for those who thought swap sharing was impossible (Tom H.), I did manage to get OpenBSD to mount Debian's partitions. Unfortunately, it required manually editing OpenBSD's disklabel to tell it where the Debian partitions were. Doing this, it is possible to share swap (an use my ext2/tmpfs partition as a second swap in OpenBSD), and any other partitions, so long as they are either ext2 or ext3. Mac OS X can also share the ext2/3 partitions via MacFuse. >On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 12:41:24PM -0400, annathemerm...@hush.com >wrote: >> On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:50:55 -0400 Roger Leigh >> wrote: >> >On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 09:00:50AM -0400, >annathemerm...@hush.com >> >wrote: >> >> So, I was trying to install Debian on this old iBook, and >> >> apparently yaboot wants an Apple Bootstrap partition of a >> >> particular size. I don't see a way to create such a thing in >the >> >> partitioner, and I would think it is something Mac OS X ought >to >> >> have created? Unfortunately, the Mac OS X partitioner really >> >isn't >> >> that powerful. >> > >> >It's not, unfortunately. You'll need to use mac-fdisk to >> >partition >> >the disk correctly. This will let you create an >Apple_Bootstrap >> >partition of the correct size. For some reason the Apple disk >> >utility deliberately hides these "special" partitions! >> Thanks! It works! Used Gentoo documentation: >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook- >> ppc.xml?part=1&chap=4&style=printable#doc_chap3 >> >> Now that Debian is up and running, is there documentation >somewhere >> explaining how to make yaboot offer options to boot OpenBSD >and/or >> NetBSD? > >It should be possible, but AFAIK it's currently broken: >http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372780 > >Looks like it's simple to fix, but there wasn't anyone who could >test it properly. > >Regards, >Roger I've been having a more serious issue with yaboot: it seems to wreck the Mac Os Classic disk drivers so Mac OS 9.2.2 can't boot anymore. Instead, it just shows this sort of flashing flopping image. Apparently, the usual workaround is to boot into the Classic install CD and select the Update Drivers function from the Disk Setup. Unfortunately, since I have a late 2003 model that barely supports booting into Classic, the installation program is only capable of running from withing OS X's Classic Mode; it doesn't work when booted directly off the CD. The Tiger and Panther installation disks only seem to be capable of installing the drivers when partitioning the disk from scratch; they don't know how to fix the drivers without wiping the disk. So, no Update Drivers for me. The problem does not occur if Debian is installed without the yaboot Apple_Bootstrap partition, but then, of course, there's no way to boot Debian. Creating the Apple_Bootstrap partition with OpenBSD's pdisk rather than Debian's mac-fdisk doesn't help either, so I think the problem must occur when yaboot actually installs itself onto the Apple_Bootstrap partition. Wiping the disk and installing Mac OS X / Mac OS 9.2.2 from scratch will resolve the issue, but then of course it will break again when I install Debian again. OpenBSD will still boot in it's usual way even with yaboot installed, although if you put yaboot before the HFS partition containing OpenBSD's ofwboot, then you have to change boot hd:,ofwboot /bsd to something like boot hd:X,ofwboot /bsd where X is the partition number of the HFS partition. Joel Rees wrote: > That means that if you want to use LVM, you'll need at least three > basic (Macintosh volume) partitions: (1) the tiny one to pass control > from the Apple b
Re: What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:50:55 -0400 Roger Leigh wrote: >On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 09:00:50AM -0400, annathemerm...@hush.com >wrote: >> So, I was trying to install Debian on this old iBook, and >> apparently yaboot wants an Apple Bootstrap partition of a >> particular size. I don't see a way to create such a thing in the >> partitioner, and I would think it is something Mac OS X ought to >> have created? Unfortunately, the Mac OS X partitioner really >isn't >> that powerful. > >It's not, unfortunately. You'll need to use mac-fdisk to >partition >the disk correctly. This will let you create an Apple_Bootstrap >partition of the correct size. For some reason the Apple disk >utility deliberately hides these "special" partitions! > > >Regards, >Roger > >-- > .''`. Roger Leigh > : :' : Debian GNU/Linux >http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ > `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? >http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ > `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. Thanks! It works! Used Gentoo documentation: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook- ppc.xml?part=1&chap=4&style=printable#doc_chap3 Now that Debian is up and running, is there documentation somewhere explaining how to make yaboot offer options to boot OpenBSD and/or NetBSD? Also, is there any way to make Debian read OpenBSD's disklabel? Debian seem to just see one big OpenBSD partition and none of the subpartitions. Does that mean any partitions I want to share, e.g. swap, have to be partitioned with something other than OpenBSD? Oh, and is there anyway to escape X11 into a nice console? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJNwtM0AAoJEKlMTST7VF+ow5sH/jI9evZHqjc6K7XuCureJZ0tmwlt UALI7WE6VJiljEzW0NWb/98p+jeTJcmNFdvHQmr2yVNU1I0N6JqWn4caWXgJTsJcSvr0 kXuLPc09wq1pnlPvUj0da3oeIJlRlyveoGvQZJurkjg570OWDk5x1GLXCqH9mNhZmCpV vE1OFOQQXI/cvChLDClmzbv5uqZfpyllJNxs6ER5OKBbPKrv6dS6b0QpZTtOUVH8pYjh PsWorx6fiz7p2Hv5oC2IEXe7k8h8u+fgDBSPhu1SwBwzguzyHKm3Pwp6A9bEGAsCcrq2 Wx4MTggvNudlg4r0xsuenYS0cQRT1OrelxGCSR8Az3M= =dpmJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110505164124.891956f...@smtp.hushmail.com
What is this Apple Bootstrap thing of which the installer speaks?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello! So, I was trying to install Debian on this old iBook, and apparently yaboot wants an Apple Bootstrap partition of a particular size. I don't see a way to create such a thing in the partitioner, and I would think it is something Mac OS X ought to have created? Unfortunately, the Mac OS X partitioner really isn't that powerful. Thanks! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wsBcBAEBAgAGBQJNv/yCAAoJEKlMTST7VF+oi34H/Rr3Um1KploaOFvDD5EO+/hFY8Vd ygTTVdxIJ1do/1NwHg+aMMov1DRlpH7c45t8JLeC6InqVf7Jppt8c229U7JupvSRPbe/ 4WxukymeCH1cTVvT3Hhapo1E1+dNiFZ+slkHiUVeM80FZOQTGToTpKDSaVyQr+5n7gEU eSJnngN5zmCdbN16eClXnvOaA9559bOKox65OmUfuD3Y2EnhXlnVJvZYW3p/hxnEWklm QiHYXLQ9+FR96fEMW34Xsdd8L3W7xdrVRYB5U9F1MHUvJHztx5S30KWWkoX06G9Gpkiz NkNMl2A3SdVmwzrXiugf/e5HKdlPSJY6y+Lo/Nzep98= =FDSx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110503130050.6316fa6...@smtp.hushmail.com
