Re: minimal files essential for booting ?
PS: Of course it might be possible to only have the bare essiental files on the root file system, and remount partitions like /etc over the top of the root filesystem, but I don't like this, as IMHO it makes it harder (read near impossible) to actively maintain, and might cause problems for programs that create temp files on startup. (I am not sure if libc6 still does this in /etc). there is an upshot to that idea tho ;) then you have a base system which unless you actively try...never gets changed...so even it the real /etc or /lib gets screwed up... you can still boot the system without a rescue disk and recover. of course if the root partition dies your screwed anyway ;) BTW earlier in you rmessage (part I snipped) you mentioned the FSSTND. The FSSTND (and more properly the FHS) are some of the few documents I think EVERY Linux user NEEDS to read. They really shed allot of light on some of the more subtle points of the filesystem...and explain allot. I recommend evryone print out a copy and read it (I can't help it...I like printed docs) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: LILO: Map segment is too big.
On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 05:16:27PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, John Marter wrote: 1. chroot is not one of the commands on the rescue disk. I haven't had to do a rescue for several years, but the other time I started by doing a chroot to my usual disk partition. Is it normal to do rescues without chroot? Well, if your system is good enough too boot off I usually just tell linux that it's Root is /dev/hda1 (or whatever) and have it boot off the harddisk with the good kernel from the floppy, tell it that init is /bin/sh and you'll get a nice shell prompt on a ro system. Many times when I screw my system up...I find I have to re-lilo it sldo...for a rescue disk which probably has chroot (I love chroot myself) check out Tom's Unix on a Floppy or as a co-worker of mine labels his copy More Magic below is the lsm from the package -Steve Begin3 Title: tomsrtbt Version:1.1.4.47 Entered-date: 05APR98 Description:The most Linux on one (1,722K) floppy. 1722MB boot/root rescue disk with a lot of hardware and tools. Supports ide, scsi, tape, network adaptors, PCMCIA, much more. About 100 utility programs and tools for fixing and restoring. See 'ReadMe-Features' for the list of what's included. Not a script, just the diskette image packed up chock full of stuff. Also good as learn-unix-on-a-floppy as it has mostly what you expect- vi, emacs, awk, sed, sh, manpages- loaded on ramdisks. Keywords: rescue, recovery, emergency, floppy, tomsrtbt Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Oehser) Maintained-by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Oehser) Primary-site: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/recovery 1722 kB tomsrtbt-1.1.4.47.tar.gz 1 kB tomsrtbt-1.1.4.47.lsm Alternate-site: ftp.clark.net/pub/toehser/rb 1722 kB tomsrtbt-current.tar.gz Copying-policy: GPL End -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgp422pNLB2TB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian backup software.
On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 05:45:52PM -0700, David Welton wrote: Hi, I need to back up 4 or 5 local Debian boxes, and am wondering which of the various backup programs included in Debian have worked well for people. I've had a look at afbackup and tob, and they seem *ok*, but nothing spectacular. I am more interested in something that is safe and simple... I am not very knowledgable about these sorts of things, and I want something I can get a handle on quickly, and trust, rather that something that perhaps has more functionality, but might mess me up if I goof up a config or something... well it depenmds on how you wish to back up ;) I have a SCSI tape drive and swear by them...ok so I don't really have easy random file acess...but... it is swift for backup and restore and thats all I need. on the software side to adress your question... I use good old GNU Tar. I have 1 root partition with everything (no separate /usr or /var) so i just tar clvf /dev/st0 / ^ this prevents it from backinf up: a) floppies or CDROMs I have mounted b) /proc (a substantial oops with 128 MB of physical ram (remmeber /proc/kcore) then for restore...I use TOm's Unix on a Floppy and cpio -i /dev/st0 (tom's root boot floppy doesn't have GNU tar) works great every time...saved my ass more than once -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpZSSRGSLs4g.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LILO: Map segment is too big.
On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 05:16:28PM -0500, John Marter wrote: The rescue disk has LILO v17. I figured out that I could do lilo -r /mnt try this ... cd /mnt/etc lilo -C lilo.conf other than that I dunno...(I already replied about a better resue disk in this thread) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpxyK4GWYYJ0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Upgraded to 2.0 now xwindows doesn't start
On Tue, Aug 04, 1998 at 09:10:03PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *- Keith wrote about Upgraded to 2.0 now xwindows doesn't start | I upgraded to Debian 2.0 now I get this message when I try and start | xwindows. | | Any suggestions. | | (--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and stipples | (--) SVGA: XAA: General lines and segments | _FontTransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 | failed to set default font path '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, | inet/127.0.0.1:7100,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,\ ^ Do you have xfstt installed? Is it (not)running before you start X? Try commenting our the FontPath statement in /etc/X11/XF86Config for inet/127.0.0.1:7100, you had to put it in there, xfstt does not modify it. There is an updated version of xfstt in slink that uses port 7101. xfs(the normal x font server) uses port 7100 and might cause a conflict. Thats true...and that is exactly WHY I moved xfstt to port 7101 I believe it was xfstt_0.9.9-3 where it was moved to 7101...but.. the version in 2.0 (hamm) is xfstt_0.9.7-1 (made before I was maintainer) you must make sure that xfstt is not only installed but STARTED. The upgrade to 2.0 involves restarting (to make sure that everything is using the proper wtmp utmp update routines/wrappers) Versions prior to xfstt_0.9.9-1 or -1 did NOT have ain /etc/init.d script...later version s do (and all of the most recent bugs have related to the init.d file...sigh...its working now tho) (one more upload to fix its last tiny bit of brokenness..nothing major tho.. just makes sure you don't start it twice...which makes no sense with my multi-connections patch) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgppiWnU9cItH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linus Torvalds interview
On Sun, Aug 02, 1998 at 01:37:43AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, let's talk a concrete example: I loaded Barney on the farm for my daughter (Official MS Win95 game for children). The setup routine got to the Parent's Room segment of the installation. I was not given a choice as to whether or not I wanted IE installed. The setup routine announced that it was installing IE (and all necessary support) PERIOD. No 'cancel' buttons available! I prefer Netscape over IE but here goes this official setup program installing unwanted software and 'lord knows' whatever other patches. The unwanted software had nothing to do with the game program and does not have to be present for the game to run. It is bullshit like that is why I stopped using WIndows altogether on my personal computer (have to use it at work) and will NEVER run it again (that and distaste for M$ buisness practices...and general low quality) I can understand they migh twant to offer a DEMO (I am sure M$ is willing to kick them a few extra $ to get em to put IE demos on their CDs) but... installin git with no warning? You know...I sometimes wonder how it was I ever became so facinated with Computers before LinuxI thought that bullshit like that was just somethin you have to put up with...not anymore... -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgp24HN8WPNlO.pgp Description: PGP signature
warning: bug#25261 in xfstt (upload last night)
I just replied to a bug report about xfstt which I uploaded last night and wanted to put out a quick warning just so noone else gets burned by it. (btw if your not installing packages from unstable you have no need to worry) As of this version /etc/init.d/xfstt is now a conffile... I added a test to it to make sure it wasn't starting new instances of xfstt if called with start 2 times... unfortunaly I am more used to C than shell scripts and I typoed it. This is a minor typo but it stops the script form working. th etypoe was an exit (0) which doesn't work (whereas exit 0 does) I know this is simple fo ranyone who knows shell script to fix but...for those that don;t I just wanted to warn everyone xfstt_0.9.9-3 has a broken init.d script (even tho the new script fixes 2 other bugs... one of which was mentioned on the list today..and had been previously reported in the BTS) I have already built the i386 deb of a corrected xfstt_0.9.9-4 and am now building the sparc version. I will be uploading as soon as this is done and they should be in incomming very soon. I apreciate your patiendce and understanding in this matter...it really was a bone-head mistake on my part -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpQNLNOK4ej4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Year 2000 compliance
On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:18:36AM -0700, Alexander wrote: Hi... Linux has no Y2K issues aside from the BIOS. It's that simple. However, sometime in the 2030s, it will have some time_t problems if not fixed by then. They should be, although you will probably need to upgrade your embedded system if you want it to keep running after then. actually...as I remember its 2038...and once it is fixed we will be good for another 2 million years I think. hmm... think that rembedded system will be used 2 million years form now? AFAIK its just a matter of changing time_t to a 64 bit integer (instead of 32 bit) and recompiling everything that uses it... actually...BTW there are (or were) some Y2K issues in linux applications. I know as shipping hamm has 1 in some cvs package...but thats the last one. It only really will effect databases which store dates in their own way -Steve Alex On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Rick Fadler wrote: Hi, I'm assuming with all the year 2000 compliance hype that there must be a document somewhere describing the year 2000 issues related to specific Debian releases of linux. Specifically, we have built an embedded system using Debian version 1.3. Being an embedded system, we've stripped out most of the utilities and standard packages. We now need to verify that our system is year 2000 compliant. Does anyone have any information on this? Rick Fadler NetLeaf, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 425-643-9610 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpXTRarZwmQ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: named setup problems
On Thu, Jul 16, 1998 at 03:28:21PM -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 1998 at 10:17:45AM -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Hack is the word alright. My opinion is that you're attacking this problem the wrong way though. Now let me make sure I've got it right. When your connection is down (diald? pon? xisp? ???) programs are trying to make DNS lookups and these programs hang for a long time waiting for a DNS response which doesn't come back. What names are they looking up? It stands to reason that unless you're trying to use the internet you shouldn't need to look up any host which isn't local. There no reason not to have local hosts in your local bind database, right? Well the thing is... I have worked out how to swicth between online and offline modes...actually simple... the idea is to have 2 dirs /var/named-online and /var/named-offline then have /var/named a sym link to the proper one. in the same script that changes the sym link issue kill -SIGHUP `cat /var/run/named.pid` My question is on how to setup named so that it is capable of answering the queries of my machines about eachother (ie if kitty wants to resolve shit-box.carpanet to check out the web server) You don't *need* two different files. I don't understand why you do. Just go ahead and make your named the authoritative name server for carpanet. Forward other requests outside. This should work just fine. Why is it you think you need two configurations? The reason for 2 files is that when the name server knows about the real root servers and is not connected to the internet... it behaves badly. It tries to conect to them and then waits a long time before it comes back with an error. At least that is what I used to observe a while ago...in fact I had a samba server that would become unacessable to new connections every 10 hours because it was stuck trying to make a name resolution call and would work almost immediately again as soon as I connected to the net I want to avoid these situations -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgp1cSnJzGcft.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xfstt final setup questions.
On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 01:43:27AM +0200, Christopher Barry wrote: Hello everyone, Hi... sorry I took so long to reply, I don't always have tiome to read the debian-user list...its hard enough keeping up with all the other debian-* lists I read. [I am the xfstt maintainer btw] FontPath unix/:7100 just a warning...this will change RSN. portno 7100 conflicts with xfs (x font server...in xbase package). I will be moving the default port for xfstt to 7101...it hasn't happend yet...but RSN it will entry to /etc/X11/XF86Config and when I first tried starting x it failed and spewed a ton of errors so I switched to a new virtual console and typed xfstt and then switched back and tried startx again and this time it worked, and I am able to select ttf fonts in Netscape now and WOW!!! what a difference, it's really nice. I'm assuming the problem lies with init.d but the above thread seemed to suggest that the latest xfstt installs the proper init.d for you so once you copy over the ttf fonts and add the FontPath line to XF86Config you are set to go, but I'm not there yet as I must manually start xfstt in another console. So what do I need to do? The latest version of xfstt is in slink (unstable). It works (I mean.. _I_ am using it :) ) It DOES have an init.d script...and the script works fine for me...still might get some tweaking tho... BUG: /etc/init.d/xfstt is NOT a conffile in the current package this means basically this...if you modify the init.d script and you install a new version...your changes will be lost. This will also be fixed RSN (at the same time as the port 7100 thing) The current version has already moved the location of the truetype fonts dir from /var/ttfonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype this is because /var/ttfonts violates both the fsstnd and the fhs very flagrantly. -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpYOKpkxOqcW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Size of ttfonts in Netscape?
On Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 11:38:11AM +0200, Thomas Apel wrote: I installed xfstt from slink installed some fonts and it works. But when I chose them in the Netscape preferences I can't set the size anymore. The dropdown boxes are greyed out. What's the reason for this and how can I change this? Hmmm...loading Netscape ok what version are you using? I am running xfstt from slink (truth be told I am running an xfstt that is NOT YET in slink...I am still working on it...but...it is essentially the same as the slink one... no major changes) I changed my fixed width font to courier new (I was using courier adobe before) and it seems to work. The Size: dropdown box does not work this is because TrueType fonts are truely scaleable...they do not come in any pre-defined sizes. You should notice allow scaling is greyed out and selected. There is a text entry box next to it (under the drop box) Type in the size you want there. It worked fine for me. When I first changed the font was way too big...so I went into prefs-fonts and typed in 9 as the size in that text box...then hit OK it looks great. I really need to the monospace font (I use courier new) down, because it's far too big. Text in this font (e.g. all emails) doesn't fit in a normal sized window. Try what I suggest above. Does it work? if not..what version of Netscape are you using communicator 4.04 ...it also works with latest mozilla in slink -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpSDWUO5qvns.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Size of ttfonts in Netscape?
I was just playing with this a little more I think this si a bug in netscape... It apears that Netscape does not handle the truetype fonts well You can go into prefs and fix it...but...if you exit netscape and come back in it does not remember the font size that you used. I would recomend not using truetype fixed with fonts with netscape :( I am not sure exactly what the cause is...I will look into it further but... my gut feeling is this is netscape -Steve On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 10:34:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 11:38:11AM +0200, Thomas Apel wrote: I installed xfstt from slink installed some fonts and it works. But when I chose them in the Netscape preferences I can't set the size anymore. The dropdown boxes are greyed out. What's the reason for this and how can I change this? Hmmm...loading Netscape ok what version are you using? I am running xfstt from slink (truth be told I am running an xfstt that is NOT YET in slink...I am still working on it...but...it is essentially the same as the slink one... no major changes) I changed my fixed width font to courier new (I was using courier adobe before) and it seems to work. The Size: dropdown box does not work this is because TrueType fonts are truely scaleable...they do not come in any pre-defined sizes. You should notice allow scaling is greyed out and selected. There is a text entry box next to it (under the drop box) Type in the size you want there. It worked fine for me. When I first changed the font was way too big...so I went into prefs-fonts and typed in 9 as the size in that text box...then hit OK it looks great. I really need to the monospace font (I use courier new) down, because it's far too big. Text in this font (e.g. all emails) doesn't fit in a normal sized window. Try what I suggest above. Does it work? if not..what version of Netscape are you using communicator 4.04 ...it also works with latest mozilla in slink -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgp8d2w4ZqyXN.pgp Description: PGP signature
ACK! file ownership screwup!
Ok now I pulled a Good One. My hard dirve died 2 days ago...it was at 3 am...so I went to bed The next day I boguht a new drive on my way home from work (just slightly larger one) My thought was to restore form my month old backups and be done with it... to my surprize the old drive worked again!. After the failure last night (system that had been up for a while had IRQ timeouts and failed to read the drive..then it wouldn't boot again afterwards on cold boot) I tried to backup to tape, but it failed again. SO I rebooted again This time I did a cp -rf to the NEW drive...then I tape backuped from there (so I could repartition and restore the new drive) You may see my error...cp -rf by root...and EVERY FILE becomes owned BY ROOT! This has been a headache. The /home dirs were EASY to fix but...the rest has been a blurr. The only other Debian systems I have acess is master.debian.org (as a package maintainer) and my one at work, but...it is on DHCP and I don't have its current IP adress (which I need to slip behind the firewall :) ) Is there any way to restore my system? I have the following problems that I have identified: 1) mail stopped owkring - This I fixed withjh some educated guesses and poking around on master (of course...master doesn't use exim..so I had to guess abit) but I would still like to see what an exim setup SHOULD be. 2) which doesn't work: (properly) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sjc]$ which netscape /usr/bin/which: /dev/null: Permission denied /usr/bin/which: /dev/null: Permission denied /usr/bin/X11/netscape 3) netscape doesn't work - if I run it as /usr/lib/netscape/netscape it works fine...but from the warpper script (OR as a symbolic link) I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sjc]$ netscape [: 0: unknown operand That is it SO FAR. I am wondering if anyone has any advise? Would it be possible for a few people to give me an ls -lR of /usr /var /etc /boot /dev /bin /sbin ? (ahd whetever else could be helpfull...but I think I got em all..obviously I don't need /tmp, /hom e/proc etc) ALl of my files are in tact, and so are the file permissions...its just the ownership that is screwed. anyone willing to do this ...it will be greatly apreciated (btw I am running a somewhat recent hamm...so bo systems probably will be less than usefull) if anyone is interested in helping otherwise...I could provide this of my system...so you can see what is screwed up (of course...that would be a big file ...awwe hell I did that (for the curious anyway) it should be at people.delphi.com/sjc/ls-lr.html soon -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpaQ5vT98bAh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to read a word 7 file?
On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:57:03AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 1998 at 09:34:00AM -0700, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Why would strings show only the first, and not all of the texts? It will show both. However, it could show you text that, as far as Word is concerned, is no longer in the document. Also the changes might be stored such that they can't be read by themselves but they change the meaning of the original significantly. Actually thats not exactly true...its half true :) It will show you stuff that as far as word is concerned has been deleted. It WILL NOT however show you the added text the added text is not stored as text (as far as I could see)...looked like it was maybe even compressed (probably not very well :) ) Of course, as Ted points out, strings might show you all sorts of things the author didn't want you to see :-) I think this has been on comp.risks within the last few months. I think I also pointed this out but: as I read on BUGTRAQ, that ONLY goes for Mac versions...and it goes for ANY program which uses OLE extensions (ie only M$ products). This is actually a bug in the OLE system...and was fixed for Windows a long time ago (gues sthe Windows and Mac OLE source trees are completly split) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of. -- Clarance Darrow pgp0lcv4QZXLj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to read a word 7 file?
On Tue, Jun 23, 1998 at 11:26:18AM +0100, Ted Harding wrote: On 22-Jun-98 Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Hi, folks. Is there any way to read in my linux box a word 7 .doc file? Mantaining the indents and bolds would be a plus, but mainly I just need to read the text in it. I use StarOffice to read docs, but it only reads up to word 6 files :^ A rough-and-ready way to do just what you're asking is to use the strings command: strings wordfile.doc wordfile.txt This has one major flaw to it It may not give you a RECENT copy of the data (unless the QucikSave option was OFF...but how often is that the case?) Storytime setting=The largest research Hospital in the country A few months back I was called to check out a problem someone had with a file, word document. Whenever they tried to open it they got an Out of Memory error even tho it was at best 200-300 k in size. (They also admitted to just recently cleaning a virus from it) This was of course the ONLY copy of the file, on someones floppy disk, and of course there was a grant pending. I figured there was nothing left to loose, so I opened it up in Simpletext (this was a mac). I found a rather large text document, with long lines but it was complete with bibliography et al. I told him This is the best I can do for you The next thing the man did was practically cry. He said This is the original document I got 2 weeks ago, it doesn't have ANY of my changes He had worked 10 hours a day for 2 weeks on this 1 document, and now he is back to square one with the grant deadline breathing down is neck. /storytime moral ALways use full save, and better yet Don't use MS Word. else strings may not give you the output you want /moral NB The Don't use MS Word warning goes doubly so for current Macintosh versions, just the other day there was a warning on BUGTRAQ (thats where I saw it anyway) warning that MS Word uses rather random bits of machine memory to fill in buffers... so on one of those files, strings may even bring up some passwords etc /NB -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The juggernaught expands?
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 11:32:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great Feature that comes with IE ActiveX. The Mac version doesn't have AX, something tells me a Linux version wouldn't either. Thats good to hear...well...its as good as it is bad... I mean really...I wont use it anyway...I liek Netscape so much more Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their job to make money...not to make people happy. Why is it that people always assume that making money and making people happy are always mutually exclusive? Now...I never said making money and makin gpeople happy are mutually exclusive. The problem is that often it can be the case that they are. The road which makes the MOST money often does not take the well being and happiness of the customer into mind. My gripe with microsoft is simple to me. I work with computers because I enjoy it. If it wasn't for the fact that I am so in love with them, I wouldn't be here typing now. Microsoft is out for money. They put together their systems solely for money..and that is obvious. I think of them as the restraunt that could make their hamburgers with grade A or B meat and make a good meal, and still make a profit, but instead decides to serve you grade D meat and still charge the same price. The Denny's of the software industry (I havge eaten once at Denny's and I think that the analogy is a good one) If it wasn't for their buisness tactics (using their muscle to make people sign contracts saying that they will only sell PCs with Windows on it, and forceing IE onto every desktop) I wouldn't hasve much of a problem with them. I still wouldn't use their software unles they improved it...but...I woul dbe able to tolerate them more -Steve -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of. -- Clarance Darrow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The juggernaught expands?
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 03:33:00PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:33:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LIKE Word...but please NOT word! Let's not get hysterical. I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on... they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself! What? Word 97 can read back to Word 2 and probably Word 1.1 for Windows, as well as Word 5 for DOS etc. Word 97 can write Word 95 format too if you get the service pack (95 writing support is a bit broken without it), and Word 2 too I think. ahh yes...but..most people don't know about that. Here at work we have Office95. We suuport Office95...people with Office97 are unsupported until we offciqally upgrade. Often someone comes across a file that they can not open because it is in the new format. and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses, a completely asinine file format. Word warns you that the document contains macros before opening it and gives you the option of removing them. Ahh does it? I think not. I have never seen it ask UNTIL I open scanprot.dot and let it install its Macros into normal.dot. and speaking of normal.dot...that is opne funky file anyway. I don't know how many times I have seen someone with Word problems...no virus found, but when I delete normal.dot (to force its re-creation) the problems go away. -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xman
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 10:02:15AM +, Ulisses Alonso wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Mark! On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote: Hi folks! I am running Debian 1.3.1 (bo) and I can't seem to find xman. I know it comes with my CD because I had it installed at one time. What .deb package is xman included in? I suggest you to use tkman instead, its a tcl/tk manpage browser (not just pager), you will have to download it cause it's in the non-free section I would be even more bold...install apache web server and install dwww. dwww is really nice, it lets you browse man pages AND everything under /usr/doc all from a web based interface. Just use insert name of favorite web browser here to acess it on http://yourhost/dwww its really a sweet package as for xman...I always did like xman..and really wanted to have it again ...I found dwww a few days ago and I forgot all about my longing for xman...I feel whole again. Computers are useless. They can only give answers.Pablo Picasso hmm obviuously not a very imaginitive person ;) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The juggernaught expands?
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 12:52:14PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:12:02AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Shaleh wrote: Oh gee just what we need. I will admit, I could use a good word processor LIKE Word...but please NOT word! [snip - I said it ill snip it :) ] (I believe I told the story on this list before of when I was called to look at a MS Word file that was corrupt when a grant was pending at the hospital) Currently I use Star Office for my office/word processing needs in Linux. The program is pretty good and I like it. You should try d/ling it :) I tried StarOffice4...downloaded it..burned it to CD and brought it home. I can't get it to work. It installsit loads comes up with a nice window and seg faults. I believe a work-around was found on this list a while back...I never tried it again after that. Anyone remember how to make it work (I am running a hamm system BTW) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Startup files disappeared [Urgent!]
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 12:29:15AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 03:31:07PM +, Jay Barbee wrote: I did not want it installed, I prefer the sym-links myself aswell. All seems normal now that it is removed. I guess I will know when it is time to reboot (hopefully in another 93 days g). Somewhat unrelated, but worth noting in this context: I had once my whole /etc directory disappear into lost+found. I hate it when that happens After booting from a rescue disk and fixing about three files (passwd, login.defs and something I don't remember), I was able to boot in single user mode and fix the system. ahh yes..been there and done that...always FUN. What I want to say is, even if the symlinks would be missing, the system would still be able to boot in single user mode (maybe with only partly support for certain hardware/partitions etc). well that depends on the problem..the fil;esystem corruption that I saw was unfixable. even fsck couldn't save it. It was bad...I could acess files (sorta) and create files (which got their data promptly corrupted) but I couldn't ever delete files. (it would try and fail) (I made tarballs and sent them off to a win95 machine on an SMB share all of them had corrupt data...only 2 of them could I get any useable data from at all) as always the moral is...backup, backup, backup (but yes 90% of the time you can restore using lost+found and all the cool neat tricks) Of course... THEN my hardware startedto go bad...but thats another story -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LATCP anyone?- an idea
[I tried to send a message like this last night but accidently screwed up...so I apologize if the old version shoots out of my home mail system at some point to this list] Ok...I have been digging around here at work, and we seem to have a problem. All of us techs ocasionally need to fix Terminal server settings on a LAT (terminal server). The problem is that the program we do this with (TSM) is a little screwed. First of all it is on a VAX. Secondly on one of the main VAXs it complains of a Licence issue. Also on the only other VAXmost of us can use, that VAX is on its last legs. My thought: Linux can do so many things...why not talk LAT? I am interested in working on a package to allow a linux box to talk LAT. The problem is that LAT is a DEC proprietary protocol. From what I understand from talking to people, it is not a terribly complex protocol (and its a very old protocol). The main problem is I can't find any documentation on this protocol. DOes anyone know this protocol? Is there any good info on it (I found nothing searching the web)? If no such information is available...could it be possible to log raw ethernet packets (LAT is layered right on top of Ethernet it is its own protocol like IP) and possibly be able to work towards making a filter to filter out uninteresting data? Are there any programs for doing this (as I imagine it is possible)? I know all of this is probably beyond my capabilities...but I figure it can't hurt to investigate and see if something can be done. I would love to find out its possible and make a nice package allowing debian boxes to Speak LAT. Anyone else interested (possibly someone who has a better idea of exactly what is involved)? am I crazy? (no don't answer that) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The juggernaught expands?
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:12:02AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Shaleh wrote: Well. I like that we are mentioned (-: Looks like IE for Linux is coming our way. I hope they are not wasting their time with a program like IE that most will never use, I hope they are porting Word, Excel, and Power Pig^H^Hoint. Oh gee just what we need. I will admit, I could use a good word processor LIKE Word...but please NOT word! I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on... they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself! and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses, a completely asinine file format. (I believe I told the story on this list before of when I was called to look at a MS Word file that was corrupt when a grant was pending at the hospital) The only way IE gets users is by forcing the browers down their throats like Mac and Win do. Given an equal choice, 85% choose Netscape and 15% choose Exploder. Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great Feature that comes with IE ActiveX. Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today? Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their job to make money...not to make people happy. What they do is good buisness in the most pure sense but...there are limits They take good buisness to the most apauling level...I personally find it disgusting. They will not see a dime from my wallet as long as I can help it. -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning C
On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 02:14:48AM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote: Dear all, I guess I could probably RTFM, but there you are. I know basic C, and I'd like to get used to using libraries. I have myself been refered to the libc documentation itself but... Other than that I know of nothing thats helpful (well other than just picking up source code and reading it) All I can recommend is a couple of books. Since you already know C and all...I would recommend The ANSI C Programming Language by KR It is a tiny little book...but has lots of info. I bought it because I saw that KR werw the authors...but I found it to be such a great reference and usefull book. Debian (Linux, generally) Well for Linux and Unix systems in generals...I highly recommend Beginning Programming in Linux lots of info. Also I recently had Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment recommended to me (the person said Buy Beg or Steal this book ..well I bought it and its GREAT. I know these are all tough on a tight budget but..they are indispensible resources. I have never found online as much info as in these books. And at least the last 2 books are so big and thick they are hard to misplace. being what it is, I'm pretty sure there are some packages in the devel section that will come with docs that tell me how to take my C further (I'd like ultimatly to do .debs :) ). Can someone point me in the right direction? debs are easy :) Check out www.debian.org under developer's corner just read the packaging manual, policy manuel et all... all you need to know is in there. Making a deb is almost as easy as installing one :), whhich leaves you to work on the meat...the technical details -Steve Thanks for your patience, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward-elect of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Maturity is often more absurd than youth and very frequently is most unjust to youth -- Thomas Edison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 1.1 problems.
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 07:42:04PM -0700, Marcus Johnson wrote: On Fri, 29 May 1998 Marcus Brinkmann wrote: So, given the fact I'm not in a position to compel the admin to upgrade to Debian 1.3 or 2.0 (but can and will lobby for it), Probably your admin will feel more necouraged if you show him some of the root shell expoits that have been found since them (no, I won't tell you any). Debian 1.1 is pretty old. Is there a list of 1.1 bugs someplace? AFAIK no...The bug datbase is cleared out after 28 days...and I don't know if they are archived anywhere. What are these root shell exploits that Marcus refered to? Root Shell Exploits are bugs in programs that either run as root (like a network service deamon like telnetd) or are SUID root (which also means they run AS root..but more like su or passwd). These are bugs which can be used by an attacker to get a root shell (basically bash or some equivalent shell with root privs) This of course gives them acess to teh entire system just liek a 'legal' sys admin. There are many types of such exploits (and even other types of exploits, which may not give a root shell, but may delete an arbitrary file of the attackers choosing etc) Many such exploits can be found on www.rootshell.com if you are interested. (BTW if you are really interested in security I would recommend checking out the BUGTRAQ mailing list) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Maturity is often more absurd than youth and very frequently is most unjust to youth -- Thomas Edison pgpLvYNQSJ7FM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apple II Emulator
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 03:36:55AM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 08:22:33PM -0400, Carlos Figueroa wrote: Do you have a Apple IIgs emulator? E-Mailme at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . There is one, xgs. At this time, there is not a .deb of it and you need a ROM image for it. It will take 00, 01, and 03 ROMs which can be found places you would find other images or you can copy your own if you know how. Note that in order to legally use a ROM image, you have to own the ROM in question. This site has a link to the DOS and OS/2 versions, but not to the Linux version. The official site's host is down at the moment, try it later on. http://classicgaming.com/xgsdos/ Bad newsI can't find xgs anywhere! I just spent some time digging around the web, I found its offcial homepage is gone...I was able to find the authors homepage but it contained no mention of xgs, all I could fine was xgs-dos, and running a GS emulator, through dosemu, thats just too twisted even for me. -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A friendly #linux
On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 11:19:20AM +0100, M.C. Vernon wrote: Steve, As for me, it is simple. I buy the parts, build my own. I've built my own since my first PC was bought, a Hyundai 386sx-16 w/DOS 6.22 on it and nothing else. I realized long ago, 9 years now, that the big names also equate to proprietary configurations, Grotesquely off topic, I am not really sure what this thread is about anyway...soo but is there a useful book/website on how to do this - I've fiddle around inside my box, but being a student for serious upgrades I'd rather do it myself and save some cash? I don't know of a good book or anything but...I build my own. Building your own, you can look forward to problems, as you learn what to avoid :). (IE I bought the cheaper mothboard and found its IDE chipset was rather broken and didn't workj with linux at all...went back and traded it in for an ASUS, worked fine) In truth, many things wont be cheaper...but they can be. The price difference can be big or tiny.The main advantage of building your own is that YOU get to choose whether to skimp on a part because of budget and which ones to skimp on. In the end you get a system which is exactly the system you wanted...after you factor out the other 10 processors, and all the other stuff you couldn't afford anyway :) In the end it can end up costing about as much as a normal PC (but it is usually somewhat less) but will be much better quality. (you get more bang for the buck building it yourself) also Beware the Linux compatibility (and as I found out Beware the cheap Taiwanese motherboards...) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple II Emulator
On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 09:07:35AM -0500, Jeff Noxon wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 09:13:44AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad newsI can't find xgs anywhere! I just spent some time digging around the web, I found its offcial homepage is gone...I was able to find the authors homepage but it contained no mention of xgs, all I could fine was xgs-dos, and running a GS emulator, through dosemu, thats just too twisted even for me. -Steve ftp.apple.asimov.net. Jeff Ahh yes the famous (or was it infamous last I checked? ..guess it depends who in the Apple II community you ask I guess) asimov site. Anyway..I checked...all they have is the mac and win32 versions :( Still can't find a version we can use -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Startup files disappeared [Urgent!]
On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 06:41:31PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: JB == Jay Barbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JB I don't ever remember touching this package before (file-rc), what is JB it's story? JB is it needed? Should I hit reinstall in dselect? file-rc is an approach to handle the scripts in init.d in another fashion then trough the symlinks in rc.* directories. It has *one* file which describes which script has to be started/stoped in which runlevel. I accidently installed this package once...be very carefull. last I used it (accidently installed it) it wasvery broken. It was not unmounting filesystems and remounting them read-only before halt/reboot ing. I tried to figure out what was wrong (not knowing that file-rc existed, much less as installed). I'd consider it alpha and because it interacts with booting, I don't use it (too risky IMHO). Don't touch a running system :-) I agree...I dunno what bugs in it have been fixed and what havn't... quite frankly I LIKE the sym links method. I supose maybe I am a bit biased (during my debugging of the not unmounting filesystems bug, it hosed my entire drive -had to reinstall debian) but like I said I LIKE sym links -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mirroring hamm for install...
On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 11:46:40PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reply-To: Hi, I've been installing hamm on a test partition a couple of times and have some questions now. First, my situation: 1. Nightly running: wget --mirror ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/hamm -a /root/wget.log -X \ *-alpha*,*-m68k*,*-powerpc*,*-sparc*,*source* You know...I read this and thought ti was a great idea...I had been going and ftp'ing in by hand and asking for binary-i386.tar.gz every time I wanted to burn a CD..then have to unpack etc... PITA I tried this with wget...it wont work. According tot ht elogs it logs on and says that hamm is not a plain file and gives up...I have tried many variations including typed exactly as you gave it. a. Because I'm running i386, I felt that I wouldn't be needing any of those other directories. Correct? I'll d/load from source when the need arises sounds like a plan 2. Installation a. In order to get dselect to behave, I had to make these symlinks: (I ran wget from /usr/local/debian) Is that the correct way to handle things? Or is there a better method until hamm goes stable? does it work and install? then it is correct :) c. Each time I install packages through dselect, it must go through every file in the archive and decide whether to install it or not. Is there a way I can tell dselect to only try to install the files I selected, rather than stepping through the whole tree? Well that is dselect :) thats how it works -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user can delete kernel images
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 06:02:47PM +0100, G. Kapetanios wrote: Hi, Something very strange has happened to my system. I have my kernels in /boot (the usual setup ) with permission 644. um 644...thats um... owner: rwx group: r other: r ? I don't know my octal modes..forgive me :) anyway... I have never touched that after they are created by the kernel-package. I am doing some experiments concerning security. So I tried as a user with no root privileges and no root group privileges to delete the files /boot/vmlinuz.2.0.0 and /boot/vmlinuz.2.0.27 I was asked whether 644 should be overrided I said yes and it removed the files Why ?? ahh well...that means that permissions on the directory are wrong ;) check this out: I (as root) make a new dir test and give it these perms: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1024 Jun 12 15:21 test in test I make this file: -- 1 root root0 Jun 12 15:22 safe so noone has permission to do ANYTHING to the file. now as sjc (normal user) in test: $ cat safe cat: safe: Permission denied then: $ rm safe rm: remove `safe', overriding mode ? y $ ls -l total 0 $ ok why does this work? rm does not acess the file...it changes teh DIRECTORY so if the user has write permisions to /boot then they can delete ANY file in /boot even if they don't have acess to thge file. BTW this is covered in the Linux FAQ under I just found a huge security hole in 'rm' (the answer being No you didn't) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Infos ?!
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:18:07AM -0500, Ed Cogburn wrote: Max Lawson wrote: Hi ! I'm going to install Debian Gnu/Linux on three boxes. But I don't want to upgrade from r1.3 to the incoming r2.0. (I'm far from beeing an install-guru) I was told that I could order CDs from 'Hamm'. My question is: does somebody know when the release will/should/may happen ?? Or should I go ahead and buy these CDs ? Thanx in advance, Max The only statement you can get out of the Deb folks about v2.0 is Real Soon Now. Your guess is as good as anybody else. Well...you can just FTP download 2.0 (in frozen) but...there ARE people selling hamm CDs. I dunno who is...but I did see a site selling fresh burned CDs of hamm you will have to do some looking around for it. ahh I found itcheck out: http://www.greenbush.com/linuxcd AFAIK they sell hamm CDs (I am having problems with their site right now...might be network problems) -Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd writers linux
On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 12:16:07PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 08:43:44PM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: BTW they seem very suceptible to IO bandwidth.. a few things: 1) never burn files that are not stored on a local drive 2) put the writer on its own IDE controller, it should not share a controller with another drive that is being used 3) SCSI is better than IDE :) If the drive has a 1MB or 2MB buffer and is only writing at 2X or 4X, why does it matter how fast the interface is? Most drives are 2X, which is something like 300KB/s.. My motherboard supports up to 20MB/s on both of its IDE channels. So even if the drive is on a shared channel, it'll still be able to continously write at 300KB/s, right? [snip] Ethernet is 10mbit/s, ie 1mbyte/sec, which is 600kb/s for a 4X write, you say? A CDR benchmarking program says that the transfer rate off the Windows machine was under 600kb/sec on average. Thats exactly my point earlier...yes... In theory the bandwidth on ethernet is large enough to burn a CD, keeping the buffer full...in practice it is not. You can't forget, yes there is 10 Mb/s but... Think of how actual file acess works... you have to send a request out for more data (read request) then the other machine has to stop what it is doing (even when idle it is burining up cycles on some other tasks), respond to you, read what you requested, or get it from some cache, then send it back. This is all while the network is serviceing other requests (hey Windows Networking anyone? unless you use WINS, a network can be bogged down during those browser elections every 11 mins...and takes more than 11 mins to burn a CD). The point is that In theory yes you can do it...but in practice I have seen it tried and never seen it work. The same goes for SCSI and using separate IDE contollers etc...yes in theory it doesn't cause a problem..in practice it is better safe tahn sorry (it sure is disapointing to wait an hour or so for a CD only to find out the burn screwed up) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Maturity is often more absurd than youth and very frequently is most unjust to youth -- Thomas Edison pgpM6fs5zZSrp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: cd writers linux
On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 12:45:04PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 10:43:28PM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: Well, that is over a network, which has nothing to do with SCSI, IDE, or parallel ports... the network is the bottleneck instead of the interface. Yes, I am well aware of that -- I was just backing up one of Stephen's points. If you want to get IDE, just go get it -- don't keep asking about it when you don't seem to want to know the answer! And lets not forget... I said SCSI is better and I meant it... yes it costs more but...I love SCSI, even if you feel IDE works for you If you feel its good enough then go for ... Just do it And...don't forget... the most important reaosn of all for me saying SCSI is better: I am biased :) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Maturity is often more absurd than youth and very frequently is most unjust to youth -- Thomas Edison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO.
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:25:12PM +0200, Jens Ritter wrote: Hallo all, as a lot of us developers have to deal with copyright problems, I would like to start this (hopefully) littly project. This sounds like an interesting idea. I would like to write a COPYRIGHT HOWTO, which might be send to authors of software, which a) do not state what copyright is associated with their software and b) who do not use a free (enough) license. What should be in there: 1. A discussion what is necessary to constitute a Copyright and License for a program (Do you have to state copyright in every file, is a COPYRIGHT file in the top directory enough, is a Copyright line in an LSM file enough, etc.). This all sounds good...and as being associated with debian I understand your focus on free software licenses, and I definitly myself feel that free software licences are far superior. I think what needs to be included is also info about non-free licences. It would be good to see a nice guide...what needs to be spelled out explicitly in a licence? what is assumed true as long as nothing explicitly states otherwise? etc Information on both free and non-free licences is important...it should be usefull for everyone. It woul dbe nice to see some example licences and what they mean, and espcially their pitfalls (like for instance some peopel find they don't like the GPL cuz its not free enough for them) _4._ Big disclaimer, as we are not lawyers. :-) This is of course good...and probably necissary (I have often wondered if such disclaimers are really needed or just the result of peoples misguided paranoia) I think it woul dbe nice to write it and then find a way to have a copyright lawyer who is willing to help out read it over and give it aquick check for the validity of its statements. I think it is important to stress a licence which is carefully worded such that it allows and dissalows what the author wishes to do so with, and also is not complete overkill (for instance I think the GPL is a good example of overkill) Also I think Public Domain should be mentioned...and what it means to place something in the public domain (my understanding is that that means a person who writes a piece of software explicitly gives up all rights to it which a copyright would give them) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Maturity is often more absurd than youth and very frequently is most unjust to youth -- Thomas Edison pgpDRxMPHJpSr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: off-topic - netscape
On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 07:16:53PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 09:51:56PM +0200, Chris Zander wrote: I've been using the Netscape Communicator for Linux for quite some time now and have always wondered if there is some way to make it use dynamic fonts - or at Is there really no way of making the linux version of netscape dynamic fonts? You can make it use a font server. If you're running hamm it should be possible to grab and set up the slink package xfstt. Wait for a few days for the new version to circulate out to everyone. Then you can happily use TrueType fonts and call it good enough. Just wanted to add to that - xfstt works great fo rmaking netscape look good :) unfortunatly xfstt has no fonts with it...so you will need to find some true type fonts. Personally I used to use Win95 and I still have a licence for Win95 (even though I don't use it) so I just grabbed the M$ Truetype fonts from windows. Unfortunatly these are Part of the Operating system (least as far as I read the Micro$oft EULA they are) BTW if anyone knows of any really free TrueType fonts please let me know I would love to put together a little something so that xfstt can work out of the box (al I would really need for that would be 1 font actually) As it stands with the latest version, it installs, and it adds scripts et al to start and stop through init (ie it starts on boot now) but, if there are no fonts, it is all for naught - it will fail to run at startup et al because it has no fonts but anyway...once it has fonts...Netscape looks GREAT! -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle pgpuO2H0mZm5P.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian from the Stampede's POV
On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 12:14:34AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Sat, 23 May 1998 16:25:46 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The other data in Debian's case is stuff like dependency information, installation and removal scripts, and the maintainer's contact address. Proprietary to Debian... I am not sure what you mean proprietary to debian The maintainers contact adress is the adress of the person who put the package together..so if it is a debian package...then yea that only makes sense to use their adress in the context of debian. The same goes for depandancy information... Most of that's usually duplicated in /usr/doc/ directories, but since it's there and it can be useful, I think it's a good thing to let it be got at. To the point of requiring another program to get at the archive that the people want? I don't think so. Well yes... debian has chosen to operate around dpkg, a packagig system. the point is to make it easy for a system administrator (even the smallest user setting up their own box can be considered the System Administrator of that box). The idea is that dpkg is a program which is capable of taking the package and checking to make sure that it meets dependancies (i.e. if the program is actually a perl script, then it wont install if perl doesn't exist) Here is why a lot of people are looking at SLP and liking it. tar xzf blah.slp There ya go, that's it, end of story. No cpio, no ar, nothing but tar which has been the standard for years and years, esp. in the Linux community as a whole. SLP is an extention of that standard. Since it is compatible with it one can, theoretically, replace TGZ with SLP. The same cannot be said about deb and rpm. .deb format is NOT out to replace .tar.gz ...but they really are not the same thing (while internally it does use .tgz and ar etc... a .deb is really more than the sum of its parts) In fact that is exactly how we distribute source code! there is the orrig.tar.gz a diff.gz and a text .dsc file The fact is that .tgz is great for archives (and backups... I use tar with my tape drive) but I (and many debian users) feel that dpkg makes a good packaging systemn and makes system adminitration allot easier (rpm does too, even tho most people here don't like to admit it :) ) The main problem is...as has been seen trying to convert a RPM to a .deb that certain decisions have to be made when putting a linux system together, decisions about how things work and intergrate. Even if we all just used .tgz archives and SLP, this makes the question of it moot because yes, you don't need the extra stuff you can just unpack it, but if you don't use SLP, then unpack it with .tar.gz...it is still possible that what you unpack will not intergrate well with your system In the end it is all a matter of what you want to do. Personally I like dpkg and deb files (One should hope I would, I just uploaded a new version of a package to master not even an hour ago). I like the system debian has developed. I don't really think either system is intrinsically superior to any other system, whatever works for you is what is superior to what doesnt. There really truely is no acounting for taste. I will even admit that when I heard of slackware, and everything comming as a simple tar.gz and the whole roll your own attitude, I liked it allot (though I never actually did try slackware) but I turned to debian and found I liked this better. For some things, yes I do want to roll my own and ocasionally do but, for most things, I just want to grab a package and install and have it work. (sort of Microsoft User mentality but...with the added bonus of it actually working) in any case, the comparison between SLP and deb files is unimportant it sounds to me like just 2 different ways to solve the same problem most systems have ar and tar and gz so really the idea of you don't need ar and cpio really is unimportant I don't see the huge advantage... There are a million ways to make a packaging system...is one way truely better than another? -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle pgpFVDeUC4bE3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GDB
On Tue, May 19, 1998 at 11:52:24PM +0300, shaul wrote: On Sun, 17 May 1998, Pete Poff wrote: I'm using the -g flag. But gdb will tell me what code is causing the crash right? Thanks, It will depend. If the binary is stripped, you might not get much information out of it. What is a stripped binary ? What are the other possibilties ? from man strip GNU strip discards all symbols from the object files objfile. The list of object files may include archives. At least one object file must be given. strip modifies the files named in its argument, rather than writing modified copies under different names. so a stipped binary is one without any clothes on...er I mean one without any symbols in it :) (which is why it wont give much info if you run gdb on it) of course you usually get the most info if it is compiled with debugging symbols on...which would then be silly to strip it :) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle pgp3EexYOd1rD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help making a 486 into an X Terminal
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 12:32:10AM -0400, Kiyan Azarbar wrote: I had an idea recently. I would like to install a very minimal Linux/Debian base on the family 486. I already have a little LAN going here, using the 192.168.1.X subnet. We have three (sometimes four) computers connected, using coax/BNC and terminators. Everything is great, I even have samba set up so I can print, through magicfilter, to the BJC-4000 on my father's win95 machine. cool setup...I was on my way to ahaving a setup like that a while back... sigh...stuff happend tho...will have iut again... What I was hoping to do was to install a tiny linux distro on, say, 80 megs of HD space (it only has 400 megs total). I would install just the bare minimum for net connectivity, rudimentary system administration, and XFree86. I was wondering if this is possible in 80 megs? This is no authoritative answer but... I have heard a charicter mode system can be setup in 40 MB...and for an X terminal setup...you wouldn;'t even need alot of those utils that fit in 40 MBI doubt X itself would take up a fulle 40 MB (esp since not all of it needs to be installed) The purpose would be to start X in broadcast mode (or whatever it's called) so that the machine would basically become a glorified X terminal to my computer, so that my brothers can log on Is this possible? If so, what is the bare minimum I need. How do I get started? Is there a bootdisk package? I can copy any debs I need from my computer over to the share drive on the win95 machine, but I'm wondering how I should go about creating a partition for ext2fs, and how to install the kernel, etc. Should I just compile a tiny minimalist kernel there? Very interesting...personally I was thinking of the exact same thing... I wont be anywhere enar working out the actual details for a number of months now (but I do plan to setup such a system) you have much drive space on your system? you may be able to get away with almost no hard drive space used if you NFS root it... all it should really need is a kernel, the really critical system binaries (say all of the stuff in debian installs required) then it woul dneed an X server and thats really about it... (you may even wanna look into low bandwidth X...not an issue for a small local home ethernet network but..hey can i thurt?) so in short I would say it can be done...also... to get more info (this is about all the help I can really give now) there is a HOWTO (maybe a mini-HOWTO) on using a real X-Terminal with linux...so...thjat might be a good starting point for getting a ideas And most importantly, where do I get fips? um...look on debian ftp sites...under tools Thanks. no prob :) I am planning to do this eventually myself (I was thinking of throwing together a subset modified distribution of debian for this Specialized task...but given my current experiance that is a while off) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We do everything by custom, even belive by it; our very axioms, let us boast of free-thinking as we may, are oftenest simply such beliefs as we have never questioned --Thomas Carlyle pgppklPAgXhxh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?
On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:11:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Well, try putting in -I/usr/src/linux/include for every file compiled in the tree; and see if that improves things. At the last resort, you can try mkdir /usr/src/tmp; mv the 2.0.32 headers there, and create a symlink from kernel-source-2.0.33 to kernel-headers-2.0.32; compile the module, and restore things to the way they were for the other 99.99% of the code that is well behaved (or less dependent on kernel versions). manoj Well...you could do that...but it is MUCH simpler than that first go into /usr/include mv linux linux-deb mv asm asm-deb ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm asm then go into the oss directory and make clean make sndshield once it is finished make sure it works (soundon) then just go back to /usr/include and switch the links back remember...it doesn't even matter whether /usr.include or anything in it exists unless you plan on compiling somethin...so changing it for a short time wont hurt anything (also.. make sure you compile the kernel with th eoption sfor modual version ON..) it has been my experiance that OSS doesn't like the debian stock binary kernel image (from the install) for 2.0.29 ...maybe differnt for 2.0.33 but I had to change some options (I think it was the one I mentioned above...I might be wrong tho) -Steve ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgplxlOYR3dM5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely different)
On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 11:32:11PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my posting this here, but . . . Well I for one can find it in my heart to forgive you :) As I was wondering aimlessly around the sites of the people on this list looking for hints and tips for a Linux 'virgin', I happened across a Video file of Bill Gates' premiere of Windows98 ( The Crash of '98). I had saved the file but one of my workmate deleted it thinking it may have been something else. Sounds cool...well not the deleting thing Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is looking for it from Me?!?! um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know where! So, if you have a copy, or know someone who has a copy, or heard of someone why knows someone who has a copy, OR know someone who heard of someone who saw someone who looked like someone who . . . where was I??? No Comment :) Anyway, you get the Idea. I will be eternally grateful and will continue to spread the word about Linux. ( I will anyway, Am I starting to sound like a religious cult follower yet? ) Thanks again. Hmmm you knowI work for a company which is a big Micro$oft shop... Windows NT everywhere...very few of us Linux users (but I know a couple) I sorta noticed im like that when I start to say something and all of a sudden someone finishes my sentance with something about me not liking Microsoft :) (or praising linux) It is sorta like when I guy asked to see my resume cuz he was looking for someone to fill a position which included running and programming on a Windows NT system I replied to him and he said I caution you that operating systems are not religions You know he is right...they are much more important :) just so this is not TOTTALLY off topic (tho this is debian user discussion list so...I supode we are debian users and we are discussing...) anyay...what format was this Movie in? and...are there any GOOD (and of course free) programs for playing files of this type for linux (preferably under X) I am psecifically thinking .mov format...but others are important too (I have soxmas.mov on a CD...I don't wanna make a partition and install Win95 and duel boot for the sole purpose of watching South Park SPirit of Christmass but... if I have to I will (it is worth it ;) ) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpehnwKlT8zB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing Debian from WindowsNT Pt. 2
On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 08:39:59PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After searching and searching the FAQ's and HOW-TO's I found that I could enable the COM port on the Linux box in the /etc/inittab file. I can now log onto my Linux box from hyper terminal on the Windows machine but I still can't access or send files from the Windows machine to the Linux box. Ahhhyes... you need to send files the old fashioned way :) to send a file from Windows to the linux box log in and type rz (recive zmodem) and it will stop and wait...then tell your terminal program to send a file via zmodem to the linux machine (you can batch send too) a second drive AFTER Linux was installed. I've never used Linux or UNIX before so I need step by step assistance. I realise this is going the hard way but my System Administrator won't allow a Linux box to be connect to the network. He is afraid that Linux will bring down his precious WindowsNT network?!?!?!? thats too bad...it is good to see your enthusiasm and willingness to try :) Although actually...having linux you can quite easily bring down an NT network if you really wanted to :) if anything he is probably just doesn't want anyone to have a system on the network which he doesn't have some sort of control over Is it possible to mount the second hard drive I added after installing Linux or will I need to re-install Linux. ( It's no big deal at this point, I have nothing but the Base Floppies installed right now) I've already got several people bugging me for access to a 'true Operating System' but I Simple :) second hard drive..is it a slave on the first IDE controller or a master on the second? if it is the slave on the first then it is known as /dev/hdb if it is the rmaster on the second then it is /dev/hdc you may think those look like filenames...they are...should you decide to (as root) writer data to either of those files it will write directly over the disk (and right over and formats, and data structures)...it would be a very bad thing anywya...you can use the command mke2fs (mk = make; e2 = second extended; fs = filesystem) to make a file which is a second extended filesystem what you want to do is... fdisk /dev/hdc (and use fdisk to make a partition /dev/hdc1) mke2fs /dev/hdc1 (or /dev/hdb you get the idea.../dev/fd0 for a floppy disk ;) ) that is basically the equivalent of format under DOS then to use it...find a directory where you want it...and mount /dev/hdc1 /path/and/directory/to/mount/on ie. (as my system used to be) mount /dev/hdc1 /home once you are sure how that works and that it does... look at /etc/fstab (then it will be mounted and umounted automatically on reboot) (hint man fstab) keep telling them I have to get the system installed first. Thanks again for any assistance you can give. Hope this helps then ;) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpatrxN5vdYW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: backup superblocks/bad drive
On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 04:22:12PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 09:18:04PM -0400, Randy Edwards wrote: I've got a friend who has a corrupted his primary partition. He gets an error message when he boots of an invalid superblock suggesting that he run e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda1. I know that mke2fs makes several backup copies of the superblock, but I'm unsure of where these are placed. Are they placed in standard locations? If so, what are they? Well, one of them is at 8193, which is what it is telling you! I would guess that the next one is at 16383, but I'm not sure. Then 24575, 32767, etc. hmm yea... when you format the drivin initally it actually lists all of the places where it stores the backups... nice to know that it told you that once (and probably at a time where you couldn't copy and p[aste out to a file..or print) hmm so I never wrote mine down hmm..is tehre a way to get that info from a working drive? I would like to dump it to a text file and throw it on a rescue disk (just in case)...so I take it im the only one who DIDN'T write all of those down th efirst time (j/k) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgp9zvnAGYF8X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: zip disks unreadable
On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 08:00:04PM -0400, David B Wilson wrote: Macs can read zip disks in either mac format or msdos format (as preformatted, though not as formatted under Linux). So the interchangeability options that I seem to have right now are either mac w95 or else linux w95 Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the format on zip / jazz disks OS specific? Meaning you can't interchange them between 95 / mac ? (Linex / 95 will work because they both accept the same FAT). I have never tried but Macintosh computers can generally read FAT formatted disks. I would bet that the Mac can read the 95 formatted disks but not vice versa as for linux... did you check what partition? I know when I use my Zip Drive (parallel port) it is insmod ppa to get it ready to use...then I find the disks are partitiond (try /dev/sda4 I think thats where mine are...asuming you don't have any other SCSI drives) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpRstymaiEI3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian install an 'borrowed' PC for trial
On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 09:56:15PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like I have one of two alternatives: 1) 'Borrow' the net info from one of the Windows machines and sneak onto the net at night. This sounds like what I did at work :) 2) Go with the null-modem cable idea. Choice number 1) I am new to Linux, networking and anything other than using PC's in a hap-hazard way. Where can I get the IP Address and all the other info from a WindowsNT 4 machine so I can bring up my network connection long enough to install the rest of Debian Linux, and can it be done without the system administrator finding out. We also have some kind of firewall, so I would have to get that info from the Windows machine as well. Seems like a lot of bother :- Ok...can you get the Hostname for a machine? if not try this... run winipcfg it will give you allo tof info...write all of this down: IP adress ; DNS Adress (or Nameserver adress) ; Netmask also...if you can get into the network COntrol Panel reads whether it is running DHCP (Will say Obtain IP adress through DHCP) also check under winipcfg and see when th elease expires That is ho wlong that adress is good until (IF it is on DHCP) Turn it off (just pull the damned plug out :) ) Follow debians instructions for an FTP install..using the IP numbers that you just got...works great Choice number 2) The Linux machine is close to the Windows machine. COM1 is free on both machines ;-D. If I download ALL the packages onto the Windows Hard drive I need very simple, step by step guide to connect the nul-modem cable and install from the windows machine. Could I use dselect over the nul-modem? (could life be that kind to me ;-) I thought of installing my second hard drive in the windows machine to download the files onto, but the machine isn't set-up for dual hard drives and I tempt the wrath of the sys admin if I do. I dunno about the Null Modem Cable...would tajke a long time... would be betetr to use the Duel Hard drive method (actually that is quite easy...hell .. just throw that drive in and do the install..then take the drive out and trow it in its permanant machine) And now for something completely different. I need some good idiot guides for Linux. preferably something I can download from the net and print with postscript or adobe or some other Micro$oft tool on the windows machine. ( To think, One of the leaders in network technology would rather use Windows for its networks. I won't mention any names, just check the return address:-P) Thanks again for your infinite patience and assistance. look aroundThjere is Learn Unix in 24 Hours (I think I also saw Leanr Linux in 24 Hours damned fine book...explained some thing simply that had confused me my whole first year with linux -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpb1LyAizUys.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: zip disks unreadable
On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 08:37:08PM -0400, David B Wilson wrote: I'm confused by your message. You use /dev/sda4 with a parallel port zip drive? Yes It seems to me that they come formatted with 1 partition...which is partition 4 (for no apprent reason) Is insmod ppa only for parallel port zip drives, or for scsi too? It is for the parallel port versions...its the Fake SCSI driver (least thats what I call it) Mine is scsi. I have exactly one scsi device (the zip drive) I wish I have bought SCSI/ and have in the past used /dev/sda. Do the disks normally come preformatted with four partitions? Why don't you notice the other partitions when writing/reading from a mac or w95? What are the first three partitions for? Maybe it is only on the paralel port? try this...run fdisk on /dev/sda and hit p to see the partition table...thats how I figured it out when /dev/sda alone did not work David I have never tried but Macintosh computers can generally read FAT formatted disks. I would bet that the Mac can read the 95 formatted disks but not vice versa as for linux... did you check what partition? I know when I use my Zip Drive (parallel port) it is insmod ppa to get it ready to use...then I find the disks are partitiond (try /dev/sda4 I think thats where mine are...asuming you don't have any other SCSI drives) -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgp9LyWRSbj8I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Memory Checker (RAM)
Just a very quick note... AFAIK memtest86 (GREAT Program) is in hwtools package not sysutils (at least it is in hamm I dunno about bo but I would assume that it is the same) BTW a tip... I have seen tohers do it (and I did it myself..) I added this to lilo.conf: image=/boot/memtest86.bin label=memtest works real nice ;) -Steve On Sun, May 10, 1998 at 04:02:19PM +0200, Florian Hinzmann wrote: On 07-May-98 C.J.LAWSON wrote: A while ago someone posted information (or was it a website) on a program that can be used to detect intermittent RAM failure which may be missed by the bios. I would be grateful if anyone with this or similar information could mail it to me (or better post it to the list) There is a simple program named 'memtest' in the debian package 'sysutils'. It is startable from within a shell. There is a tool called 'memtest86' in package 'hwtools'. It seems to be a bit more complicated, but I've not tried it yet. If someone knows more memory-checking programs I would be very happy to receive a short mail. Greetings, Florian --- Florian Hinzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PGP-Key fingerprint: DD 61 74 34 04 FB 8A BD 43 54 83 38 0C 82 EF B1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpVo9NFUu3rS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Unidentified subject!
Well... On Sat, May 09, 1998 at 03:15:10AM +0300, Liran Zvibel wrote: Hello, I would like to add some user interface to my programs, till now all I do is write to stdout and stderr, and read from stdin, but it doesn't look good. What types of programs are these? if they read form stdin and write to stdout then terminate... they sound to me like classic unix-style programs (ie like a filter idea) I hope you plan to keep this functionaity and add an optional interfacer (maybe if invokded weith -i or --interactive) What I have in mind is two-tree lines of input, then some more lines for information (one or two, that will have while backround and black text to distinguish the parts), and the rest of the screen (the remaining 20-22 lines) for output. So stdin would come from the first part, stderr would go to the information part, and the stdout would go to the biggest part. I would check out the slang library. I am currentluy playing with using it from C and playin with it..unfortunatly the C referecne for the library apears to be very much Unfinished Do you have any ideas how that could be done? Any pointer to information would be great. I love RTFMing... yes as I said..check out slang...it seems cool even if learning it is taking a bit fo work from the slight dfocumentation problems but... it at least list sall of the calls and their arguments... so ya can play with em -Steve -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) pgpLZflF80SoZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Tom's Unix on a Floppy
Earlier I wrote asking about rescue disks and (I didn't keep the message) someone mentioned tomsrtbt (aka Tom's Unix ona FLoppy) I am extremely impressed and recommend this disk to EVERYONE! I neve rthought so much coul dbe crammed onto one disk! The disk right out of the box works GREAT... in fasct I have ben wanting to repartition my hard drive for more flexibility...so I backed up to tape... then booted off of tomsrtbt and was able to fdisk adn restore easily! no modifications..no fixing...it works great! (This disk shoul dbe just copied and put on debian CDs for a better rescue disk!) -Steve pgprOkBSvdXCf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI card
On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 06:28:03PM -0500, wrote: Has anyone got audio/speaker to work with the Ensoniq AudioPCI card? yes I have :) The Sound-HOWTO indicates that the Ensoniq SoundScape card is supported, but I don't think AudioPCI card is the same. I have good news and I have bad news. The good news i sthat you CAN use a AudioPCI with Linux...you are just looking in the wrong place...the sound HOWTO does not cover this :) The bad news is that it is comercial :( check out www.4front-tech.com The AudioPCI is available with the OSS/Linux drivers... there is also an OSS/Free set of drivers but AudioPCI is alas, unsuported by those :( It looks (maybe im just guessing) like Ensoniq is being a PITA and not releacing info without NDAs and $$ so...don't expect to see a Free driver soon (Like I said..im just uesing but..thats a good bet as to why) Also, this is a PnP card, I think. For Linux 2.0.29, do you need to use isapnptool to make this work right? man I hate vi (hafta type this over again cuz I deleted lines) anyay...no...you just need to get OSS/Linux if its any consolation it works great...havn't had many problems -Steve pgp8UBi7UixrU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Terminal Corruption
I have gotten this too... if you can tyope commands / login etc excpet it looks AFU then try this login on the AFU Terminal then use the command reset I have found this fixes it well BTW I put reset in my .bash_logout so that the tty gets reset when I logout (unfortunatly it does it in xterms too with su etc... there should be a better way? relaly I only did it to clear the screen on logout) -Steve On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:18:37PM -0600, Lazar Fleysher wrote: You also may try Ctrl-v Ctrl-o and hit enter... On Sat, 2 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea why / how to prevent the text on Virtual Consoles going nuts and being replaced with lots of funny garbage characters? This happens to me occasionally if I accidentally cat an executable file. But today it happened when I mounted an msdos floppy, and tried to do 'ls'. When this happens the VC it happens on is useless and the characters are only normal again when I reboot. Even when I type exit (which appears all corrputed of course), the little pengiun logo on the login screen is all corrupted. :(. Any ideas? I really hate having to reboot my computer, it reminds me of windoze! Thanks! Timothy -- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 02-May-98 Time: 22:05:32 This message was sent by XFMail. Powered by GNU/Linux 2.0. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpSMWUzLCSVe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: fortunes
What exactly is the problem? does it give an error when you run /usr/games/fortune ? I think the actual fortunes need to be instalkled separately (and unfortunatly the good fortunes are in a separate package... that on eis really a must...I woul dlove to see the offensive package merged back in with the rest...whats the good of even installing fortunes without them? oh well just another example of people needing to get over it) anyway...what version of the fortunes package are you using? did you install the actual fortunes? -Steve On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 10:09:58PM -0700, FuzyBuny wrote: i am running debian linux kernel v2.0 frozen... and i cant seem to get my fortunes going... have read the man page already and still no luck any info?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpd9rORcVbYu.pgp Description: PGP signature
