Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Sat 19 Apr 2014 at 22:37:47 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: Brian wrote: And your printer model is? It's in an earlier post in this thread: HP Laserjet P2015DN. There is a ppd in Current Debian stable package hpijs-ppds, but it doesn't support 1200 dpi. See earlier post. More here; http://www.sput.nl/software/hp2015dn.html#cups There is a Generic Postscript Printer PPD which I use with a 2200DN. It does 1200x1200. I'm not sure the difference between that and 600x600 is at all obvious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140420110815.ge17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
Hi there Brian wrote: There is a Generic Postscript Printer PPD which I use with a 2200DN. It does 1200x1200. I'm not sure the difference between that and 600x600 is at all obvious. I my experience the difference is vast when dithering grey tones. Anyway, if you can't find a ppd which supports all your printer's features and capabilities in a standard (Debian) repository, get it from somewhere else. For instance from the CD that came with your printer. And you don't need Windows or Mac OS X to do that. There are lots of Linux utils to assist you. Some hints; http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7001441 I just mounted the CD and grepped the entire disk for 'ppd'. Used cabextract to get the ppds and then selected the English language one. I don't remember if I used dos2unix. One may need to check the end-of-line char. If you look for 'OpenUI' in the ppd (it's a text file), you can find all the options. Regards, Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lj0gla$n78$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Sun 20 Apr 2014 at 15:04:42 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: Brian wrote: There is a Generic Postscript Printer PPD which I use with a 2200DN. It does 1200x1200. I'm not sure the difference between that and 600x600 is at all obvious. I my experience the difference is vast when dithering grey tones. Anyway, if you can't find a ppd which supports all your printer's features and capabilities in a standard (Debian) repository, get it from somewhere else. For instance from the CD that came with your printer. And you don't need Windows or Mac OS X to do that. There are lots of Linux utils to assist you. Some hints; http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7001441 I just mounted the CD and grepped the entire disk for 'ppd'. Used cabextract to get the ppds and then selected the English language one. I don't remember if I used dos2unix. One may need to check the end-of-line char. If you look for 'OpenUI' in the ppd (it's a text file), you can find all the options. Thank you. I've never had occasion to adapt a Windows or Mac PPD but this is a very good tip, although a PPD file that does not conform to the specifications or which needs a special backend driver might give problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20042014150052.3a7add992...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Saturday 19 April 2014 00:13:24 wobbly-hs wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 22:39:31 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 18 April 2014 18:56:55 wobbly-hs wrote: Lisi Reisz asked: .. Thanks. Have you said which printer? If so, I have missed it. It is likely to be relevant. I have absolutely no problems with my Samsung, nor with other Samsungs I have installed for other people, nor with HPs of various types that I have installed. And PDFs print fine, as does everything else. hp1320n laser Are you using CUPS? If HPLIP doesn't work, have you tried hpijs? hplip connection to: HP LaserJet 1320 series Postscript (recommended) postscript driver But shock / amazement!.. hpijs does work - I thought I'd tried it already but maybe I'd copied the ppd or something, this time a clean ppd seems to work (but only runs at 600 dpi rather than 1200) Foomatic/pxlmono works better quality but very slowly Previously (debian 6) I was using the postscript driver OK. thanks for your advice. I'm glad it worked. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404190929.08099.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
HI there wobbly-hs wrote: hp1320n laser hplip connection to: HP LaserJet 1320 series Postscript (recommended) postscript driver But shock / amazement!.. hpijs does work - I thought I'd tried it already but maybe I'd copied the ppd or something, this time a clean ppd seems to work (but only runs at 600 dpi rather than 1200) I had lots of problems with my HP Laserjet P2015DN. There were loads of PPDs on the web. Some would do 300 dpi, some 600. Only one did 1200x1200. Over the years this PPD kept disappearing and reappearing. But It did work! Upgrading from Debian Squeeze to Wheezy made printing very slow; gs run at 100% CPU for several minutes before printing! Now I'm using the Windows PPD from the installation CD. Works fine at 1200x1200. You may need to do a bit of digging to get at it. Like use cabextract or dos2unix. Or get the PPD from a distro that does work. For text printing I use paps' instead of cups' texttops. It will even print hieroglyphs and needs no configuration. Foomatic/pxlmono works better quality but very slowly Previously (debian 6) I was using the postscript driver OK. thanks for your advice. Regards, Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/litds2$6v1$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On 2014-04-18, wobbly-hs wob...@happysheep.me.uk wrote: But shock / amazement!.. hpijs does work - I thought I'd tried it already but maybe I'd copied the ppd or something, this time a clean ppd seems to work (but only runs at 600 dpi rather than 1200) A known limitation, it seems. Foomatic/pxlmono works better quality but very slowly Previously (debian 6) I was using the postscript driver OK. thanks for your advice. http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_1320 (I wanted to view the discussion thread also but was asked to log in to Disqus, whatever the hell that is, and I don't feel logging in I feel like opting out). -- Même l’avenir n’est plus ce qu’il était. (Even the future isn't what it used to be). - Paul Valéry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnll4s72.2eq.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
Hi there Curt wrote: A known limitation, it seems. http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_1320 This site is slow and PPDs keep disappearing. If you do find a PPD that works, put it on your website, so people can find it using a web search. (I wanted to view the discussion thread also but was asked to log in to Disqus, whatever the hell that is, and I don't feel logging in I feel like opting out). Regards, Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/liu3t1$dpq$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Sat 19 Apr 2014 at 17:14:41 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: Curt wrote: A known limitation, it seems. http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_1320 This site is slow and PPDs keep disappearing. If you do find a PPD that works, put it on your website, so people can find it using a web search. What is lacking in the range of PPDs offered by Debian that one has to go searching in corners of the web to find one? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140419165724.gd17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
Hi there Brian wrote: What is lacking in the range of PPDs offered by Debian that one has to go searching in corners of the web to find one? AFAIK Debian doesn't provide a PPD for my printer. Debian used to, but that is a long time ago. Vr.Gr, Rob -- Trans-Pacific Partnership is evil; http://www.dewereldmorgen.be/artikels/2013/12/10/hoe-monsanto-profiteert-van-het-trans-pacific-partnership -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/liujdj$uk9$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Sat 19 Apr 2014 at 21:39:31 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: Brian wrote: What is lacking in the range of PPDs offered by Debian that one has to go searching in corners of the web to find one? AFAIK Debian doesn't provide a PPD for my printer. Debian used to, but that is a long time ago. And your printer model is? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/19042014205112.e72e8edbf...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
Hi there Brian wrote: And your printer model is? It's in an earlier post in this thread: HP Laserjet P2015DN. There is a ppd in Current Debian stable package hpijs-ppds, but it doesn't support 1200 dpi. See earlier post. More here; http://www.sput.nl/software/hp2015dn.html#cups Regards, Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/liumqs$ari$1...@ger.gmane.org
'no-fixes' in stable
Hi Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing come down to stable. I migrated from Debian 6 to 7 earlier in 2014 once the latest stable distro had been out quite some time. It was a surprise to find that printing did not work. Bug#656640 shows a fix has been made but not moved downstream to stable. A kindly person pointed out how to make my own backport, but that has now shown up further printing problems in stable. My question is seeking to understand the criteria on which a fix is moved down to stable. I think it is likely if the problem were not that printing doesn't work but that web servers don't work, it would be fixed in stable overnight. So why is printing given second class treatment? Is it a case yet again of debian is not for desktop users? I have seen https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable this seems to suggest that once something breaks on a stable desktop it will only be fixed if the bug risks crashing the whole system. By the way - I'm not subscribed to this list so will check back for replies occasionally / for a while only. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418101129.2f443e04@boris2.sheep
'no-fixes' in stable
[message re posted because previous attempt was without word wrapping - sorry!] Hi Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing come down to stable. I migrated from Debian 6 to 7 earlier in 2014 once the latest stable distro had been out quite some time. It was a surprise to find that printing did not work. Bug#656640 shows a fix has been made but not moved downstream to stable. A kindly person pointed out how to make my own backport, but that has now shown up further printing problems in stable. My question is seeking to understand the criteria on which a fix is moved down to stable. I think it is likely if the problem were not that printing doesn't work but that web servers don't work, it would be fixed in stable overnight. So why is printing given second class treatment? Is it a case yet again of debian is not for desktop users? I have seen https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable this seems to suggest that once something breaks on a stable desktop it will only be fixed if the bug risks crashing the whole system. By the way - I'm not subscribed to this list so will check back for replies occasionally / for a while only. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418105214.2d2906f2@boris2.sheep
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 10:52 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote: Bug#656640 shows a fix has been made but not moved downstream to stable. Debian isn't my favorite distro, I prefer another one that does follow (software developers) upstream. However, a distro like Debian and the distro I more often use, have their individual advantages and drawbacks, but they have in common, that the user sometimes need to become active and fix one or the other issue, by e.g. building private packages. Don't rely on the policy of a distro, DIY sometimes will fix issues faster, then to care about the distro's rules you are using or to switch to another distro. Stay with your distro, don't care about a policy when things might or might not be provided for e.g. Debian stable. If you are aware about the issue, fix it for your machine, or if you don't have the skill, ask for help, how to do it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1397816815.28380.45.camel@archlinux
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri 18 Apr 2014 at 10:52:14 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote: Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing come down to stable. From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases Even stable is updated once in a while. Those updates are called Point Releases. They usually incorporate the security fixes released until the time of the update and fixes for grave bugs in the current release. There you are: security fixes and grave bugs in the current release. Which of these criteria applies to #656640? I migrated from Debian 6 to 7 earlier in 2014 once the latest stable distro had been out quite some time. It was a surprise to find that printing did not work. Bug#656640 shows a fix has been made but not moved downstream to stable. A kindly person pointed out how to make my own backport, but that has now shown up further printing problems in stable. Printing works in stable. You have a particular problem with a particular package. If you didn't use that package to do what you want to do the problem would go away. My question is seeking to understand the criteria on which a fix is moved down to stable. I think it is likely if the problem were not that printing doesn't work but that web servers don't work, it would be fixed in stable overnight. So why is printing given second class treatment? Is it a case yet again of debian is not for desktop users? I have seen https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable this seems to suggest that once something breaks on a stable desktop it will only be fixed if the bug risks crashing the whole system. More precisely: Basically, a package should only be uploaded to stable if one of the following happens: * a truly critical functionality problem * the package becomes uninstallable * a released architecture lacks the package Which of these criteria applies to #656640? By the way - I'm not subscribed to this list so will check back for replies occasionally / for a while only. It only takes a couple of minutes to subscribe and unsubscribe to the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418112020.gb17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:26:55 +020, Ralf Mardorf wrote Don't rely on the policy of a distro, DIY sometimes will fix issues faster My reason for using Debian stable is because I have spent too much time in the past fixing things myself / getting help etc. I've used Fedora for many years, then Ubuntu, then Fedora then Debian. Our house has been 'windows-free' for nearly nine years now. While I appreciate your good intention it does not answer my question or address my need. There is an ethos among Linux users to encourage learning, but there is a lack of acknowledgement that a person can't be expert in every aspect of modern life, and some people (my programming days are currently over) need an OS that 'just works' reliably. I can invest time in set-up if I can then leave things to keep working. But the tinkerers keep breaking things! If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, then I appear to have reached the end of the Linux line. What to do? Cross my fingers and hope in the benevolence of Mr Shuttleworth's Ubuntu LTS to keep the upstream from causing hiccups? Or go fully proprietary and join the masses giving up a bit of security and control? Sometimes I really wish computers had never been invented. But thanks for replying anyway. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418124125.247c1262@boris2.sheep
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:41 PM, wobbly-hs wob...@happysheep.me.uk wrote: If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, then I appear to have reached the end of the Linux line. What to do? People who want more stability than Debian offers usually go to Red Hat. Or at least, that's what people usually talk about when they're wrestling with having to support Python 2.3 all the way up to 3.4, in order to have the program run on RHEL and Arch Linux. ChrisA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAPTjJmosepJz_JsQaXdKgwRGJpc7_xxpVj=9gGEW=uagae_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Friday 18 April 2014 12:41:25 wobbly-hs wrote: I can invest time in set-up if I can then leave things to keep working. But the tinkerers keep breaking things! If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, I find that Debian Stable does provide a reliable desktop long term. I administer 3 desktops and a laptop where that is the case. Also, tinkerers don't keep breaking things in Debian Stable: they don't get the chance. Basically, Stable gets left alone, apart from major bugs, security updates and updates to things like virus databases (which go out of date rather fast). It would be interesting to know what your current problem is. You only vaguely mention that it is something to do with printing. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404181336.24918.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri 18 Apr 2014 at 12:41:25 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote: If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, then I appear to have reached the end of the Linux line. What to do? Cross my fingers and hope in the benevolence of Mr Shuttleworth's Ubuntu LTS to keep the upstream from causing hiccups? Or go fully proprietary and join the masses giving up a bit of security and control? A third option: Go to https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Input 'python-cups' in the 'Search package directories' field. Click. Do you see 'wheezy-backports' at the top of the page you get? Click. Another click on the package name. Is #656640 fixed in the package? 'Debian Changelog'. Click. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418125008.gc17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 12:41 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote: Or go fully proprietary and join the masses giving up a bit of security and control? Then you might get rid of the trouble you experience now, but you likely will run into hundreds of other issues. I prefer a few issues for free as in beer, than to pay for hundreds of issues. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1397830106.28380.48.camel@archlinux
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
Thanks all for your taking the time to comment on my questions Brian pointed to the new backport 1.9.63-1~bpo70+1: amd64 This looks very much like the same thing I'd produced as a private backport which I installed: python-cups_1.9.63-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb Lisi Reisz asked: It would be interesting to know what your current problem is. You only vaguely mention that it is something to do with printing. So to answer that, following a routine install of Wheezy xfce edition, other programs were installed but nothing specifically for printing as far as I'm aware. A printer was installed using hplip. This would not print because of the bug already discussed. After installing the private backport it prints libreoffice documents, but there is trouble printing PDF files. Some don't print at all, some print just error messages, others print a fraction of the page and stop. In all cases there is a very long delay before anything comes out of the printer. A test PDF that would not print came out successfully and quickly when printed from a live version of Fedora 19, so I think I've ruled out hardware problems. I read somewhere there were similar problems with migration to ghostprint but that concerned a different distro, so can't say if that is the cause here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140418185655.51244b21@boris2.sheep
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Vi, 18 apr 14, 10:52:14, wobbly-hs wrote: My question is seeking to understand the criteria on which a fix is moved down to stable. I think it is likely if the problem were not that printing doesn't work but that web servers don't work, it would be fixed in stable overnight. So why is printing given second class treatment? Is it a case yet again of debian is not for desktop users? I have seen https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#upload-stable this seems to suggest that once something breaks on a stable desktop it will only be fixed if the bug risks crashing the whole system. A bug doesn't have to be that serious to be fixed, but there are additional criteria, like how big an impact does it have, how big/complex is the patch to fix it, etc. You might want to contact the package maintainer and ask (simply write to the bug). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Friday 18 April 2014 18:56:55 wobbly-hs wrote: Lisi Reisz asked: It would be interesting to know what your current problem is. You only vaguely mention that it is something to do with printing. So to answer that, following a routine install of Wheezy xfce edition, other programs were installed but nothing specifically for printing as far as I'm aware. A printer was installed using hplip. This would not print because of the bug already discussed. After installing the private backport it prints libreoffice documents, but there is trouble printing PDF files. Some don't print at all, some print just error messages, others print a fraction of the page and stop. In all cases there is a very long delay before anything comes out of the printer. A test PDF that would not print came out successfully and quickly when printed from a live version of Fedora 19, so I think I've ruled out hardware problems. I read somewhere there were similar problems with migration to ghostprint but that concerned a different distro, so can't say if that is the cause here. Thanks. Have you said which printer? If so, I have missed it. It is likely to be relevant. I have absolutely no problems with my Samsung, nor with other Samsungs I have installed for other people, nor with HPs of various types that I have installed. And PDFs print fine, as does everything else. Are you using CUPS? If HPLIP doesn't work, have you tried hpijs? There may, of course, be a problem with Xfce that I don't know about. All the Wheezy systems I administer are running Trinity 3.5.13.2. But Wheezy certainly does not in general have printing problems. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404182239.31911.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: 'no-fixes' in stable
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 22:39:31 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 18 April 2014 18:56:55 wobbly-hs wrote: Lisi Reisz asked: .. Thanks. Have you said which printer? If so, I have missed it. It is likely to be relevant. I have absolutely no problems with my Samsung, nor with other Samsungs I have installed for other people, nor with HPs of various types that I have installed. And PDFs print fine, as does everything else. hp1320n laser Are you using CUPS? If HPLIP doesn't work, have you tried hpijs? hplip connection to: HP LaserJet 1320 series Postscript (recommended) postscript driver But shock / amazement!.. hpijs does work - I thought I'd tried it already but maybe I'd copied the ppd or something, this time a clean ppd seems to work (but only runs at 600 dpi rather than 1200) Foomatic/pxlmono works better quality but very slowly Previously (debian 6) I was using the postscript driver OK. thanks for your advice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140419001324.30e30c06@boris2.sheep
