Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-26 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Tue, 26 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Use the kernerl-source-2.0.33-9.deb (latest) as the kernel source package
> to recompile.  The standard 2.0.33 source package (sunsite, tsx-11, etc)
> does NOT have the latest patches.  I made the mistake of trying to add the
> patches to the debian source package (which already had them) and it
> REMOVED the patches (reverse patch).  This is the default action of patch,
> and I didn't know what it (I) was doing at the time.  I think the fat-32
> option is in the internal code section (code page) of the menuconfig script
> as it is bundled with other stuff.
> 

Conversely, if you want to try the 2.0.34prexx patches, it's probably best
to not use the Debian kernel-source package, as some of that appears to be
included (at least patch thinks so).

Bob


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-26 Thread Kenneth . Scharf

>> If you downloaded it not in .deb form, the patch for FAT32 support is
not
>> included... The .deb version does... I had to figure that out about 3
>> weeks ago..
>>

>I would really suggest not using .deb kernels. The reason they have FAT32
>support is because they are just the standard default bins. They are not
>configured to run on your system. They therefore are not very high
>performance. They usually take up way too much memory because they include
>all kinds of things you probably dont even have. It is always good to
>compile your own kernels. Try it, you'll find it makes a HUGE difference.

Use the kernerl-source-2.0.33-9.deb (latest) as the kernel source package
to recompile.  The standard 2.0.33 source package (sunsite, tsx-11, etc)
does NOT have the latest patches.  I made the mistake of trying to add the
patches to the debian source package (which already had them) and it
REMOVED the patches (reverse patch).  This is the default action of patch,
and I didn't know what it (I) was doing at the time.  I think the fat-32
option is in the internal code section (code page) of the menuconfig script
as it is bundled with other stuff.



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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-24 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Brian Weiss wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 23 May 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
> > > my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
> > > so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
> > > occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
> > > kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
> > > that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.
> > 
> > If you downloaded it not in .deb form, the patch for FAT32 support is not
> > included... The .deb version does... I had to figure that out about 3
> > weeks ago..
> > 
> 
> I would really suggest not using .deb kernels. The reason they have FAT32
> support is because they are just the standard default bins. They are not
> configured to run on your system. They therefore are not very high
> performance. They usually take up way too much memory because they include
> all kinds of things you probably dont even have. It is always good to
> compile your own kernels. Try it, you'll find it makes a HUGE difference. 
> 
>   Brian
> 

What I really meant was to use the .deb kernel sources... But thats my
fault.. I didnt make that clear.


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 05:40:59PM -0700, Brian Weiss wrote:
> I would really suggest not using .deb kernels. The reason they have FAT32
> support is because they are just the standard default bins. They are not
> configured to run on your system. They therefore are not very high
> performance. They usually take up way too much memory because they include
> all kinds of things you probably dont even have. It is always good to
> compile your own kernels. Try it, you'll find it makes a HUGE difference. 

I only use .deb kernels.

However, I make them myself.  Check out kernel-package.  Manoj has done a
great job with it.


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Torsten Hilbrich
On: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:14:24 + Ionut Borcoman at musa writes:
> 
> Hi,
> Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately,
> all my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5
> and sda6) so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and
> yours. With this occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to
> VFAT as my newly 2.0.33 kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about
> this ? The original kernel that come with hamm had had no problem to
> mount that partition.

Visit http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html for a kernel
patch.  You will get Joliet support for free if you install it.

Torsten


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Ed Cogburn
Brian Weiss wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ed Cogburn wrote:
> 
> >
> > It's not clear from the previous thread whether they are referring to
> > kernel-image-xxx or kernel-source-xxx debs.  The kernel-image-xxx 
> > (pre-compiled)
> > debs aren't too useful because they tend to have everything and the kitchen 
> > sink
> > compiled in, as Brian suggests. However this doesn't apply to 
> > kernel-source-xxx
> > debs.  *Use them*.  The recent kernel-source-2.0.33-xxx has the FAT32 
> > support in
> > it.  Use it to build a kernel for your system.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> 
> Very very good point Ed, however all kernel source has FAT32 support, you
> just say yes to it in the config :). But anyway, I haven't personally used
> the .deb source files but I would suggest giving them a try if you don't
> quite feel comfortable with the regular source yet.
> 
> Brian


Actually, kernel-source-2.0.32-xxx deb did not have the FAT32 support in
it.  Neither does the 'official' 2.0.33 kernel source tarball.   Only when I
heard of kernel-source-2.0.33-xxx deb that was recently put up on ftp.debian.org
did I get one with the FAT32 support already integrated into the kernel source
package.  I'll bet your referring to the development kernels.  IIRC, FAT32
support was integrated into 2.1.xx kernel series fairly early on.  Second, there
isn't that much of a difference between the official source tarballs and the
kernel-source-xxx deb files except that the deb packages will update the
symlinks and the .linux-versions file in /usr/src/linux for you.  With
kernel-source-2.0.33-xxx deb a big difference is that the maintainer
thoughtfully incorporated the FAT32 patch for the rest of us not using the
development kernel.

Ed


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Brian Weiss


On Sat, 23 May 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:

> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
> > my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
> > so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
> > occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
> > kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
> > that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.
> 
> If you downloaded it not in .deb form, the patch for FAT32 support is not
> included... The .deb version does... I had to figure that out about 3
> weeks ago..
> 

I would really suggest not using .deb kernels. The reason they have FAT32
support is because they are just the standard default bins. They are not
configured to run on your system. They therefore are not very high
performance. They usually take up way too much memory because they include
all kinds of things you probably dont even have. It is always good to
compile your own kernels. Try it, you'll find it makes a HUGE difference. 

Brian


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Nils Rennebarth wrote:

> On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:50:09PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
> > > It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
> > > boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
> > > didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
> > > this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
> > > method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
> > I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
> > partition... 
> Yes, but don't panic, lilo had made a backup.
> 
> Use lilo -u /dev/sda1 to restore the old one. Verify before that
> /boot/boot.0801 has the expected modification date (i.e. when you installed
> lilo with the boot=/dev/sda1 option)
[snip]

My apologies... I forgot about that...


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-23 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
> my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
> so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
> occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
> kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
> that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.

If you downloaded it not in .deb form, the patch for FAT32 support is not
included... The .deb version does... I had to figure that out about 3
weeks ago..


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Brian Weiss

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
> my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
> so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
> occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
> kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
> that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.

This problem is probably caused by not having support for FAT32 compiled
into your new kernel. The standard kernels that come with most
distributions all have FAT32 support compiled in, which would explain why
you didn't have any problems with the original kernel. When compiling your
new one you probably forgot to add the FAT32 support. It's under the
section "fs" if you use menuconfig or xconfig. If not, it'll just be
somewhere near the end.
 
> Now, the Win95 is working again and sda1 is simple vfat partion. I used
> loadlin to boot linux, but I would like to use lilo. So here is my new
> lilo.conf. Please tell me if it is good. I don't want to be again in the
> position to install Win95. 8-)
> 
> boot=/dev/sda
> root=/dev/sda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> default=win95
> 
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/sda3
> 
> image=/vmlinuz.old
> label=old
> read-only
> root=/dev/sda3
> 
> other = /dev/sda1
> label=win95
> table = /dev/sda
> 
> 
> A question related is this: my computer has 128M RAm, but linux see just
> 64M. I have read that you can put mem=128M at the LILO: prompt or to
> include it in the lilo.conf. Also, it is stated that, even when you have
> 128M physical RAM, some RAM can be mapped and used by BIOS. SO, how do I
> know how much RAM to declare to LILO and how do I do this in lilo.conf.

I too have 128mb of physical RAM so i share your pain. If you want linux
to recognize all of this, simply put the following line in the global
section of lilo.conf (the top part):

append="mem=128M"

That should fix things up. Good luck

Brian


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

The lilo.conf it's working. So, if you have time, please just tell me
how to configure the memory.

TIA,

Ionutz


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.

Now, the Win95 is working again and sda1 is simple vfat partion. I used
loadlin to boot linux, but I would like to use lilo. So here is my new
lilo.conf. Please tell me if it is good. I don't want to be again in the
position to install Win95. 8-)

boot=/dev/sda
root=/dev/sda3
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
default=win95

image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

image=/vmlinuz.old
label=old
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

other = /dev/sda1
label=win95
table = /dev/sda


A question related is this: my computer has 128M RAm, but linux see just
64M. I have read that you can put mem=128M at the LILO: prompt or to
include it in the lilo.conf. Also, it is stated that, even when you have
128M physical RAM, some RAM can be mapped and used by BIOS. SO, how do I
know how much RAM to declare to LILO and how do I do this in lilo.conf.

I will wait your answers till make a new step. 8-)

Thanks,

Ionutz


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Stephen Carpenter
Michael Beattie wrote:

> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
> > boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
> > didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
> > this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
> > method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
> >
> > Here is my lilo.conf:
>
> I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
> partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
> loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
> sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  <-- no "1"

I knew when I looked at that lilo.conf something was wrong...however...it looks
like just the boot information was screwedI think this
can be fixed

> > boot=/dev/sda1
> > root=/dev/sda3
> > compact
> > install=/boot/boot.b
> > map=/boot/map
> > vga=normal
> > delay=20
> >
> > image=/vmlinuz
> > label=linux
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > image=/vmlinuz.old
> > label=old
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > other = /dev/sda1
> > label=win95
> > table = /dev/sda
>
> the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says "boot off of /dev/sda1", but you have
> installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...
>
> > It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
> > I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
> > Win95 will be default SO.
>
> When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
> fix it...
>
> I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
> done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
> realized.
>

After reading all of this...here is what I would dowrite down where your 
linux
root is...
boot a windows 95 disk...you should be able to c: to get onto the hard drive.
from there fdisk /mbr
this will destroy lilo and reinstall the Win95 boot loader...
then get out your linux emergency boot disk (you do have one right?...
ig no tlook for Tom's Unix on a Floppy
(as the lsm for it says sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/recovery
tomsrtbt-1.1.4.38.tar.gz )
mount yout root partition and then cd /mnt/etc
edit lilo.conf to aply the fix above
then lilo -C lilo.conf (from /mnt/etc)
NB: I have not done THIS specifically...This is however what I would personally 
do
(remember don't fdisk /mbr unless when you boot off of the floppy for win95
you can see and use the C: drive)
Good Luck...hopefully you wont need it
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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:50:09PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
> I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
> partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
> loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
> sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  <-- no "1"

It's not just a matter of killing the Windows loader, Windows actually
stores partition meta-information in the superblock, which lilo will
write in to. Fortunately you can restore it as other people have suggested.

(Linux doesn't do this, so it is safe to use boot=/dev/sda2 if sda2
is your Linux partition. The default for Debian, even.)


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Wojciech Zabolotny
I think that LILO anyway saves the old boot sector, so maybe not
everything is lost ...
>From 'man lilo':
 -s save-file
  When  lilo overwrites the boot sector, it preserves
  the  old   contents   in   a   file,   by   default
  /boot/boot.  where   depends on the device.
  This option specifies an alternate  save  file  for
  the  boot sector. (Or, together with the -u option,
  specifies from where to restore the boot sector.)

I've never used LILO with -s option but it anyway created the
/boot/boot.0303 and /boot/boot.0300 files on my box.
I'm not expert in lilo, so I don't know if it really can help...

Wojtek Zabolotny
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On Fri, 22 May 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:

> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
> > boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
> > didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
> > this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
> > method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
> > 
> > Here is my lilo.conf:
> 
> I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
> partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
> loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
> sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  <-- no "1"
> 
>  
> > boot=/dev/sda1
> > root=/dev/sda3
> > compact
> > install=/boot/boot.b
> > map=/boot/map
> > vga=normal
> > delay=20
> > 
> > image=/vmlinuz
> > label=linux
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/sda3
> > 
> > image=/vmlinuz.old
> > label=old
> > read-only
> > root=/dev/sda3
> > 
> > other = /dev/sda1
> > label=win95
> > table = /dev/sda
> 
> the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says "boot off of /dev/sda1", but you have
> installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...
> 
> > It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
> > I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
> > Win95 will be default SO.
> 
> When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
> fix it...
> 
> 
> I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
> done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
> realized.
> 
> 
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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:50:09PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
> > It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
> > boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
> > didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
> > this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
> > method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
> I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
> partition... 
Yes, but don't panic, lilo had made a backup.

Use lilo -u /dev/sda1 to restore the old one. Verify before that
/boot/boot.0801 has the expected modification date (i.e. when you installed
lilo with the boot=/dev/sda1 option)

Now make sure you have a floppy handy from which you could boot Linux.

Next switch on the bootable flag of the /dev/sda1 partition using cfdisk.
Switch it off for all other partitions.

Now you should be able to reboot to Windows 95, provided you did the
fdisk/mbr before.

To really make booting as you wanted it replace 
 boot=/dev/sda1
with
 boot=/dev/sda
and run lilo -v

(after booting to Linux of course :-)


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
> boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
> didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
> this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
> method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
> 
> Here is my lilo.conf:

I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  <-- no "1"

 
> boot=/dev/sda1
> root=/dev/sda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> 
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=linux
> read-only
> root=/dev/sda3
> 
> image=/vmlinuz.old
> label=old
> read-only
> root=/dev/sda3
> 
> other = /dev/sda1
> label=win95
> table = /dev/sda

the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says "boot off of /dev/sda1", but you have
installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...

> It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
> I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
> Win95 will be default SO.

When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
fix it...


I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
realized.


   Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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!!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.

Here is my lilo.conf:

boot=/dev/sda1
root=/dev/sda3
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20

image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

image=/vmlinuz.old
label=old
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

other = /dev/sda1
label=win95
table = /dev/sda

It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
Win95 will be default SO.

TIA,

Ionutz


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