Re: *****SPAM***** Re: Spam from the list?

2024-03-06 Thread Nicolas George
Hans (12024-03-06):
> I am using this spamfilter now for several years. It should be well trained 
> and 
> almost until about 4 months I never had any problems with it.

Hi.

It is probably not the reason for you problem now, but it is important
to note that in the “several years” since your spam filter was trained,
spammers have not stayed idle, they have learned, they have refined
their mail to bypass the most common protections. And in turn,
protections have evolved to fight the new stealthiness of spammers.

Spammers also have changed topics, they used to sell pills, now they
sell cryptocurrencies. If your Bayesian filter is trained to recognize
mails that sell pills, they might accept mails that seem to talk about
technical points of computing.

So if your own mail filter has not evolved, it is not surprising that it
becomes progressively less efficient.

> Am Mittwoch, 6. März 2024, 12:22:53 CET schrieb Brad Rogers:

Please remember not to top-post.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George



Re: *****SPAM***** Re: Spam from the list?

2024-03-06 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 01:53:49PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I am using this spamfilter now for several years. It should be well trained 
> and 
> almost until about 4 months I never had any problems with it.
> 
> But until then suddenly the false positives increased from one day to 
> another, 
> although I had changed nothing. 

You keep saying that. Your mail provider seems to have changed something.
Your spamassassin is seeing those new headers (which, by all comments in
this thread are being added on the way from the mailing list to you)
and acts accordingly.

So nothing weird. Except, perhaps, your mail provider. There are few of
them which are not weird these days.

Cheers
-- 
t


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Re: *****SPAM***** Re: Spam from the list?

2024-03-06 Thread Hans
Hi Brad,

I am using this spamfilter now for several years. It should be well trained and 
almost until about 4 months I never had any problems with it.

But until then suddenly the false positives increased from one day to another, 
although I had changed nothing. 

And weired: It happened only with mails from the debian forum! This looks 
weired for me. Other spammails are still well recognized and I get no false 
positives from any other site. 

Maybe this is by chance. But mails, which are recognized as spam are looking 
not fishy in any kind. Even a mail sent by myself to the forum was seen as 
spam.

Of course there is the option, that my own spamfilter has changed, although I 
did nothing manually, it could not be excluded.

I do not believe, it is is a training model, but of course, i will mark white 
mails as ham manually and see, if the false positives decrease.

Will inform you again in a few days.

Best 

Hans



Am Mittwoch, 6. März 2024, 12:22:53 CET schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 11:19:27 +0100
> Hans  wrote:
> 
> Hello Hans,
> 
> >Does one see any reason, why this is considered as spam???
> 
> Further to what Thomas says;  You haven't told your spam filtering that
> it's ham.  If you don't train your spam filters, it's never going to get
> any better at detecting what you consider to be ham/spam.