Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On Sat, May 8, 2021, 7:22 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 mar 21, 09:55:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. > I would modify that slightly: Save it on two, *different* Tails USB Sticks, and save them in different locations. Kenneth Parker > > > > Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with > > sub-keys instead. > > Found it: > > https://wiki.debian.org/GnuPG/AirgappedMasterKey > > > Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser >
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On Du, 21 mar 21, 09:55:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. > > Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with > sub-keys instead. Found it: https://wiki.debian.org/GnuPG/AirgappedMasterKey Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 21:21:32 +0200, ellanios82 wrote: > On 3/23/21 5:51 PM, Viktor Vogel wrote: > > An observation from a native English speaker - > > > > I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly > > good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it > > much more difficult than Chinese. > > > > Chinese has different sounds, and tones that need to be mastered, but > > the grammar is dead simple. > > > > Russian also has different sounds, and the grammar is incredibly > > complex, baroque and inconsistent. > > - wonder if someone has observations on learning Modern Greek ? Gerunds are somewhat more difficult than in Ancient Greek. Apart from that, most modern Greeks seem to cope with them. -- Brian.
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On 3/23/21 5:51 PM, Viktor Vogel wrote: An observation from a native English speaker - I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it much more difficult than Chinese. Chinese has different sounds, and tones that need to be mastered, but the grammar is dead simple. Russian also has different sounds, and the grammar is incredibly complex, baroque and inconsistent. - wonder if someone has observations on learning Modern Greek ? regards
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On 2021-03-23, Viktor Vogel wrote: > An observation from a native English speaker - > > I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly > good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it > much more difficult than Chinese. > I remember seeing an interview with Norman Mailer after he published his book about Oswald, which he researched for an extended period of time in Russia. He said that if he would have been the crying type, he would've cried from frustration trying to learn Russian (he never managed to do it, though he tried).
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
An observation from a native English speaker - I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it much more difficult than Chinese. Chinese has different sounds, and tones that need to be mastered, but the grammar is dead simple. Russian also has different sounds, and the grammar is incredibly complex, baroque and inconsistent. Viktor On 3/22/21 1:35 PM, John Hasler wrote: deloptes writes: You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? I have no experience with Chinese but I found Russian harder than French (though I've pretty much forgotten both). -- "It's always rewarding to talk to a clever man" - Raskolnikov, "Crime and Punishment"
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On 23-03-2021 06:06, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic >> roots. > > You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? > And I mean not only speaking, but also writing Yes, once you understand the structure of Mandarin, it's not hard to get on top of it. Russian is harder than French, but the French find it easier to learn than most, because they are already familiar with concepts such as verb conjugation, which they both share. Cheers! Harry -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
deloptes writes: > You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than > French? I have no experience with Chinese but I found Russian harder than French (though I've pretty much forgotten both). -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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Weaver wrote: > Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic > roots. You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? And I mean not only speaking, but also writing
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On 23-03-2021 05:47, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Yes. >> But, once there, far better to learn the language. >> The resultant experience is well worth it. >> The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. >> Cheers! > > I was thinking to go to Chech Republic or Russia - found the language > easier, but thanks anyway - will consider next Russia is a great experience also. A nation of workers, all going flat out. Good-hearted, genuine people. Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic roots. Cheers! Harry. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
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Weaver wrote: > Yes. > But, once there, far better to learn the language. > The resultant experience is well worth it. > The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. > Cheers! I was thinking to go to Chech Republic or Russia - found the language easier, but thanks anyway - will consider next
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On 22-03-2021 19:00, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, >> it's a fast way to learn. > > you mean I can look for a position in China without knowing Chinese? Yes. But, once there, far better to learn the language. The resultant experience is well worth it. The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:20:02 + (UTC) Long Wind wrote: > > term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same > as other legitimate government, i.e. elected by people its true > nature is criminal group, as described in bill by US senator > All governments are criminal groups. -- Joe
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Weaver wrote: > They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, > it's a fast way to learn. you mean I can look for a position in China without knowing Chinese?
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On 22-03-2021 18:13, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, >> this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in >> china? > > my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to > exchange experience They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, it's a fast way to learn. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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Long Wind wrote: > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, > this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in > china? my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to exchange experience
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LOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:49 PM Long Wind wrote: > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, > this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in china? > I know quite a few Chinese people who lived in the US for 5-8 years and could have easily stayed here. They had planned to, and then they changed their minds. I always asked them why? And that all said “I didn’t want to raise my kids in American.” This totally blew my mind.
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deloptes writes: > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing You think you know what China is doing. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On 22-03-2021 16:49, Long Wind wrote: > On Monday, March 22, 2021, 2:20:20 PM GMT+8, deloptes > wrote: > > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you > do not > > know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and > many > > many others) it is the same as China. > > China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even > worse. > > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to > West, this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to > live in china? Quite a few. Including many business class. > PS: now i have difficulty in using mail, because of government's > blocking, gmail and google is completely blocked, (yahoo is partially > blocked) -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 16:19, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as >> other legitimate government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is >> criminal group, as described in bill by US senator > > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not > know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and many > many others) it is the same as China. > China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even worse. I feel more free in China and Russia than I ever did on multiple trips to the U.S. I've been there half a dozen times to attend and speak at conferences. The last time, I wasn't even going there, just passing through. Waiting at L.A. International for a connecting flight. I was required (there was no option) to provide a retinal scan and undergo fingerprinting. A number of us were subjected to this. Note: we weren't in the country, had no intention of entering the U.S., and were all citizens of other (friendly) countries. This was in the days pre-TSA. I have never been there since, and never will. I check out all flights - I do a substantial amount of travelling - and if there's a U.S. connection involved, I choose a different route. The land of the free? Bullshit! The only ones who sincerely believe that have no point of comparison. I have had in depth discussions on any subject you care to name in both Russia and China. I really can't recall discussing political issues in the U.SW.: in those days I was simply too busy. I have never been subjected to treatment like that in either China or Russia. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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On Monday, March 22, 2021, 2:20:20 PM GMT+8, deloptes wrote: The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and many many others) it is the same as China. China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even worse. where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in china? PS: now i have difficulty in using mail, because of government's blocking, gmail and google is completely blocked, (yahoo is partially blocked)
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Long Wind wrote: > term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as > other legitimate government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is > criminal group, as described in bill by US senator The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and many many others) it is the same as China. China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even worse.
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On 22-03-2021 11:20, Long Wind wrote: > deloptes wrote: > > Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is > impossible to > > stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the > fact > > they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. > > I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising China. > > can you give some examples that china manage better than india or > europe? > like all dictatorship, china rule by violence and propaganda Rubbish! Obviously never been there. The Chinese cops are the friendliest I've ever come across. Nobody there has any hesitation in going to them with a problem. They see themselves as public servants, which is a perception that doesn't live in many westernised countries any more. If you need directions or advice, go to them: most of them have a translation app on their smart phones, and they'll set you right and do it with a smile. If you want governmental corruption, go to India. There's so much back-pocket business going on there, it's a whole new industry and, arguably, India's largest. Developed Europe? What would you call that? Macron's France or Merkel's Germany? > china do better , because all bad news are hidden by communist > leadership Garbage! There's an extremely active anti-corruption drive happening in China. Politicians found guilty of it get heavy prison sentences, at best, and often a death sentence. China now has lifted its entire population above poverty level. It's lauded by the World Bank as an unprecedented achievement. > term Chinese government is quite misleading > it's used as if it's same as other legitimate government, i.e. > elected by people It was. China has already had its revolution. What would you call a legitimate government? The U.S., where congressmen become millionaires, even billionaires, on salaries it's impossible to do it on, and nobody says a word? > its true nature is criminal group, as described in bill by US senator I think you need to stop believing everything you see on TV. But thanks for providing a perfect example of exactly what we have been talking about in the earlier stages of this conversation. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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deloptes wrote: Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is impossible to stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the fact they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising China. can you give some examples that china manage better than india or europe?like all dictatorship, china rule by violence and propaganda china do better , because all bad news are hidden by communist leadership term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as other legitimate government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is criminal group, as described in bill by US senator
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:33:50 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > > > > I was in China at the time, and it was far from > > `totalitarian/militant'. The people just played it smart, as they > > also did in New Zealand, which was also not > > `totalitarian/militant'. > > Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is > impossible to stand up against and also might be not wise, because > proven is the fact they manage things better than neighbor India or > developed Europe. I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising > China. > > The Chinese government knows that it is the government of China, and not a participant in some kind of international PC-willy-waving contest with no prizes. The same with Russia and a few other non-western countries. -- Joe
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Weaver wrote: > On 21-03-2021 20:39, deloptes wrote: >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I >>> apologise for that. >>> >>> I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for >>> others to be able to send you encrypted messages. >>> >>> Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A >>> Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and >>> keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. >>> >>> Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with >>> sub-keys instead. >> >> Yes, I recall this from the past. So basically there are two use cases >> here. What I was reffering to is cases like Snowden or Assange or some >> investigative journalists who do not survive like Navalni and are not >> Russians ;-). > > Well, Navalny isn't an investigative journalist, he's just an agitator. > And, word is, he's a CIA asset, so you're right in he isn't Russian, > either. He got it lucky: I thought he'd wind up in Black Dolphin, or > similar, but he got a really easy gig in a work camp, not far from > Moscow. > Yes he is working for one guy called Bill Browder, who himself is behind the anti Russia campaigns - google it - it is worth reading/knowing. Everytime I write in public about it, I fear, although I am in a western democratic country. I fear, because I know what happened to people with much more capabilities than me. >> You are reffering to cases in the public domain, but IMO here it works >> perfectly well (signing packages or similar) >> In the use case I reffer to one should take care of his/her life. > > This is important. The individual has the right to make their own > decisions on their own personal existence. The right to make the wrong > one, and the right to suffer by it. > Indeed - this is why I am against over regulating stuff. For example I find it good that in the EU food manufactureres are obliged to write the content on the package. You then decide if you buy and eat or not. It is amazing to me that these products still sell - something called food and does not have anything to do with food. No wonder stomach and other types of cancer explode. >> Exchanging >> keys via public domain is not what I would do and even so - it was >> proven "they" are capturing your screen (after you decrypted) and sending >> it home for further analyses. > > Making the `public domain `public' again would be a good move. When the > network is owned, as it is now, there will always be compromise. There > will be a `product' to sell. > Agree - but it is complicated topic. IMO it is similar to Water Supply - also very interesting stories, no one is talking about (France, England, Germany etc.). >> In the public domain I do not see how the avg. Joe would manage it to >> stay safe. It is impossible ... most do not care, do not understand or do >> not have the capacity. > > Most are currently involved with whether they're going to be voting > Republican or Democrat, next time, in and endless cycle of always voting > for the same party with two different names, and which of the two only > pre-selected Presidential candidates they are going to place their faith > in, in a show that is no more than the illusion of a democratic process. > >> I would not bother unless they have the right to vote - >> and yes they do and so determine your future. >> >> So to jump to the conclusion - this form of democracy is counter >> productive and we should have open debate regarding some better form of >> democracy - lets say next generation democracy. (Covid-19 also showed >> that a more totalitarian/military style approach gives better results - >> and I do not mean China here). > > I was in China at the time, and it was far from `totalitarian/militant'. > The people just played it smart, as they also did in New Zealand, which > was also not `totalitarian/militant'. Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is impossible to stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the fact they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising China.
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On 21-03-2021 20:39, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I >> apologise for that. >> >> I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for >> others to be able to send you encrypted messages. >> >> Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A >> Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and >> keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. >> >> Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with >> sub-keys instead. > > Yes, I recall this from the past. So basically there are two use cases here. > What I was reffering to is cases like Snowden or Assange or some > investigative journalists who do not survive like Navalni and are not > Russians ;-). Well, Navalny isn't an investigative journalist, he's just an agitator. And, word is, he's a CIA asset, so you're right in he isn't Russian, either. He got it lucky: I thought he'd wind up in Black Dolphin, or similar, but he got a really easy gig in a work camp, not far from Moscow. > You are reffering to cases in the public domain, but IMO here it works > perfectly well (signing packages or similar) > In the use case I reffer to one should take care of his/her life. This is important. The individual has the right to make their own decisions on their own personal existence. The right to make the wrong one, and the right to suffer by it. > Exchanging > keys via public domain is not what I would do and even so - it was > proven "they" are capturing your screen (after you decrypted) and sending > it home for further analyses. Making the `public domain `public' again would be a good move. When the network is owned, as it is now, there will always be compromise. There will be a `product' to sell. > In the public domain I do not see how the avg. Joe would manage it to stay > safe. It is impossible ... most do not care, do not understand or do not > have the capacity. Most are currently involved with whether they're going to be voting Republican or Democrat, next time, in and endless cycle of always voting for the same party with two different names, and which of the two only pre-selected Presidential candidates they are going to place their faith in, in a show that is no more than the illusion of a democratic process. > I would not bother unless they have the right to vote - > and yes they do and so determine your future. > > So to jump to the conclusion - this form of democracy is counter productive > and we should have open debate regarding some better form of democracy - > lets say next generation democracy. (Covid-19 also showed that a more > totalitarian/military style approach gives better results - and I do not > mean China here). I was in China at the time, and it was far from `totalitarian/militant'. The people just played it smart, as they also did in New Zealand, which was also not `totalitarian/militant'. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I > apologise for that. > > I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for > others to be able to send you encrypted messages. > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. > > Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with > sub-keys instead. Yes, I recall this from the past. So basically there are two use cases here. What I was reffering to is cases like Snowden or Assange or some investigative journalists who do not survive like Navalni and are not Russians ;-). You are reffering to cases in the public domain, but IMO here it works perfectly well (signing packages or similar) In the use case I reffer to one should take care of his/her life. Exchanging keys via public domain is not what I would do and even so - it was proven "they" are capturing your screen (after you decrypted) and sending it home for further analyses. In the public domain I do not see how the avg. Joe would manage it to stay safe. It is impossible ... most do not care, do not understand or do not have the capacity. I would not bother unless they have the right to vote - and yes they do and so determine your future. So to jump to the conclusion - this form of democracy is counter productive and we should have open debate regarding some better form of democracy - lets say next generation democracy. (Covid-19 also showed that a more totalitarian/military style approach gives better results - and I do not mean China here).
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On Sb, 20 mar 21, 19:11:07, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > > democratic country. > > > > And you disappoint me here too - you believe in illusion of democracy, which > is not so obvious as i.e. in China, but I found out it is even much worse. > No need to argue and explain - I will not - Assange, Snowden are enough! > This is like in The Matrix. > Enjoy the feeling for democracy as long as you can, but keep in mind the > reality is not so far from a "totalitarian state" and don't take the > colorful glasses off - it may lead to depression. As someone who grew up in a totalitarian state I'm quite aware of the differences as well as similarities, thank you. My point is that going full "encrypt everything on an air-gapped machine" might work for you, but it's *not* going to scale well as a defence to *mass* surveillance. While it might protect you, the vast majority of users will just dismiss this as complete paranoia and carry on *willingly* providing their data to various companies and governments, data that totalitarian surveillance in previous times could only dream of. Mass surveillance doesn't care about any single individual, the point is to get data from as many people as possible, whether in the name of "security" or to sell it to advertisers. Protecting only ourselves is meaningless in this context, we are just a statistical rounding error anyway. Getting the majority of users on services that are resistent to mass surveillance (even if less than perfect) is the only way to make a difference here. I'm guessing most of us are the ones friends and family turn to for advice on those pesky technical matters that they don't care about enough to learn, and we can make a difference simply by getting them to switch from WhatAspp to Signal or from Gmail to ProtonMail. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sb, 20 mar 21, 19:03:58, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Good luck in doing public key cryptography without publishing the public > > key :) > > Andrei - you disappoint me here! In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I apologise for that. I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for others to be able to send you encrypted messages. Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with sub-keys instead. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 21-03-2021 17:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun Mar 21 00:01:59 2021 Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make >>> sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular >>> users in democratic country. >> >> Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was >> that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. > > Under capitalism, man exploits man. > Under communism, it's just the opposite. > -- John Kenneth Galbraith That's actually a paraphrase of an old Polish proverb: `Under capitalism man exploits man; under socialism the reverse is true' -- Polish Proverb. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
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On Sun Mar 21 00:01:59 2021 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make >> sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular >> users in democratic country. > > Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was > that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
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Stefan Monnier wrote: > Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was > that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. Exactly - this part is absolutely the same. The difference is in the methods. There it was wellknown, here - not until internet came out ... or is Assange, or Snowden a free person. This BS is a joke - I would have never imagined I would watch RT to get a different point of view :/ or that I would stop reading the magazines I grew up with (it became unbearable around 2007-2010). But may be it is part of the transformation we experience with these new technologies incl. the Social Media, we discuss.
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> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > democratic country. Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. Stefan
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Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > democratic country. > And you disappoint me here too - you believe in illusion of democracy, which is not so obvious as i.e. in China, but I found out it is even much worse. No need to argue and explain - I will not - Assange, Snowden are enough! This is like in The Matrix. Enjoy the feeling for democracy as long as you can, but keep in mind the reality is not so far from a "totalitarian state" and don't take the colorful glasses off - it may lead to depression.
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Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Good luck in doing public key cryptography without publishing the public > key :) Andrei - you disappoint me here!
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On Vi, 19 mar 21, 00:54:08, deloptes wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to > > communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed to configure my > > safe not-internet-connected machine to participate. > > do you think it is possible to have public & encrypted discussion, when we > do not know each other? It is pointless. > My point is that even if you use GPG on network computer, it is a risk that > you get compromised. > I don't remember if it was StaxNEt that was making screenshots of your > mobile display and sending them home for further analyses and this was may > be 10y ago. Today with the one and only iPhone and Android ... even with > encrypted whatever part. > > The best way is > 1. download the encrypted message (usb/SD or uSD) > 2. upload to isolated machine > 3. decrypt, read, answer, encrypt The message itself could be used to compromise the offline machine. > 4. upload encrypted message to the networked machine (usb/SD or uSD) > > Note: all keys on the isolated machine (especially the private keys) Good luck in doing public key cryptography without publishing the public key :) > This worked 30-40y ago, works also now (well back then it was a floppy > drive). > I am writing it, because people get lazy but in the same time wine about > privacy. On the battle field (or in the jungle) if you are lazy, you die. > It should be clear that even with the best security network it still may get > compromised. And if you are stupid, nothing can help you anyway :) In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in democratic country. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Stefan Monnier wrote: > I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to > communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed to configure my > safe not-internet-connected machine to participate. do you think it is possible to have public & encrypted discussion, when we do not know each other? It is pointless. My point is that even if you use GPG on network computer, it is a risk that you get compromised. I don't remember if it was StaxNEt that was making screenshots of your mobile display and sending them home for further analyses and this was may be 10y ago. Today with the one and only iPhone and Android ... even with encrypted whatever part. The best way is 1. download the encrypted message (usb/SD or uSD) 2. upload to isolated machine 3. decrypt, read, answer, encrypt 4. upload encrypted message to the networked machine (usb/SD or uSD) Note: all keys on the isolated machine (especially the private keys) This worked 30-40y ago, works also now (well back then it was a floppy drive). I am writing it, because people get lazy but in the same time wine about privacy. On the battle field (or in the jungle) if you are lazy, you die. It should be clear that even with the best security network it still may get compromised. And if you are stupid, nothing can help you anyway :)
