Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
Alan Chandler a...@chandlerfamily.org.uk writes: Now I've been running it for about a week I am really starting to like it EXCEPT FOR ONE THING I really wish the hot spot for shrinking the desktop could be moved to the bottom left. I keep accidentally using it when moving to the browser back button. (DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MOVE IT) Agreed. That's a really good idea worth getting to the developers. -- Bill Wohler woh...@newt.com aka bill.woh...@nasa.gov http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mxbqtw8l@olgas.newt.com
[OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Walter Hurry wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:27:01 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: GNOME Shell is the defining technology of the GNOME 3 user experience. That's exactly the problem, and precisely why I have moved on to LXDE. Well, for years I have been using FVWM. It does everything one could possibly want, except not quite what Compiz does for eyecandy. That was the reason I moved to Gnome. Will try LXDE and XFCE4, I guess. Hi, Currently I'm using (as second main desktop, first is awesome ;) ) gnome3. I can read a lot of criticism about it What don't you like ing GNOME 3 - GNOME - Shell? I only see two things, but people sure see many more (many people tell about don't like the change): - It seems like it is not very configurable via GUI without installing any other tool which help with - Shutdown option is not appearing in menu (only when you type ALT (gnome developers should think we are not seers (where more in gnome ALT (without any combo) is used?) you can see that hide option, if not you will see only suspend option) So, why people is hungry with it ? Thanks for your opinion! PD: I think it run fine in relatively old computers (but maybe that is another issue, I don't know) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cal5ymztwjv5fm4z-rphtmftvt_1t+5zvsudlfwdorsoi-ky...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Walter Hurry wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:27:01 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: GNOME Shell is the defining technology of the GNOME 3 user experience. That's exactly the problem, and precisely why I have moved on to LXDE. Well, for years I have been using FVWM. It does everything one could possibly want, except not quite what Compiz does for eyecandy. That was the reason I moved to Gnome. Will try LXDE and XFCE4, I guess. Hi, Currently I'm using (as second main desktop, first is awesome ;) ) gnome3. I can read a lot of criticism about it What don't you like ing GNOME 3 - GNOME - Shell? I only see two things, but people sure see many more (many people tell about don't like the change): - It seems like it is not very configurable via GUI without installing any other tool which help with - Shutdown option is not appearing in menu (only when you type ALT (gnome developers should think we are not seers (where more in gnome ALT (without any combo) is used?) you can see that hide option, if not you will see only suspend option) So, why people is hungry with it ? Thanks for your opinion! PD: I think it run fine in relatively old computers (but maybe that is another issue, I don't know) PD2: Ok, I see you need 3d accel [1], not sense to me. [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ#What_led_to_the_decision_to_make_3D_acceleration_a_requirement_for_GNOME_Shell.3F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAL5yMZTtW+vMbrA-epxsnBMKhW=2slcigedc7sgdsvxia1-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:55:30 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote: (...) PD: I think it run fine in relatively old computers (but maybe that is another issue, I don't know) PD2: Ok, I see you need 3d accel [1], not sense to me. [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ#What_led_to_the_decision_to_make_3D_acceleration_a_requirement_for_GNOME_Shell.3F Not quite :-) *** GNOME Shell Now Works With Software Rendering!¹ *** Anyway, for users having non-accelerated VGA card/drivers they can still run the fallback mode which you can like it or not but it allows you to use GNOME3. ¹http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTAxMTI Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.05.11.52...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:06:31 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote: (good Subject election :-P) Currently I'm using (as second main desktop, first is awesome ;) ) gnome3. I can read a lot of criticism about it What don't you like ing GNOME 3 - GNOME - Shell? I only see two things, but people sure see many more (many people tell about don't like the change): - It seems like it is not very configurable via GUI without installing any other tool which help with - Shutdown option is not appearing in menu (only when you type ALT (gnome developers should think we are not seers (where more in gnome ALT (without any combo) is used?) you can see that hide option, if not you will see only suspend option) I can summarize my dissapointment basically in one point: it is less configurable than GNOME2. Maybe someone can think that having less options is a plus, but for me it is not, of course. I have a very simple but highly tweaked desktop (I'm specially picky with fonts and sizes of the icons, text and panels) so when someone tells me that I have (yes or yes!) to have a top bar (which I never used before) I say: Okay, that's enough for me. I'm open to new desktop paradigms and don't care much if the desktop looks like an iPad as long as I can make my own adjustments and things that have been always working (like multi-monitor with xinerama setups) are still working here. So, why people is hungry with it ? (...) I think you wanted to say angry, like the famous birds ;-) And yes, I feel more than angry when someone (or something) do not allow me to follow my own way and make my own customizations or having my desktop in the way I prefer. But I'm also lazy and GNOME2 has been serving me very well in these years, so I will give GNOME3+gnome-shell a chance before taking any radical step (like switching to another DE or WM). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.05.12.16...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
* On 2011 05 Nov 07:18 -0500, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:06:31 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote: So, why people is hungry with it ? (...) I think you wanted to say angry, like the famous birds ;-) And yes, I feel more than angry when someone (or something) do not allow me to follow my own way and make my own customizations or having my desktop in the way I prefer. In my case, I am running an ATI Radeon dual display card in this desktop and use its Zaphod Heads mode. GNOME 2 was incapable of dealing with it in a sane way, KDE4 less so, so I use XFCE which handles the mode and the resulting independent desktops flawlessly. On a whim I installed GNOME 3 (shell and fallback) recently and gave it a spin. Until I moved my xorg.conf out of the way both modes would fail upon startup. When I did get them running the only possible configuration for the second monitor is as an extended desktop. But there was no means that I could figure out to put a panel or do anything but simply drag an app to the second screen. When GNOME shell was running, it was not intuitive and was extremely slow, to the point that I thought it had locked up. Fallback mode is a shell of its former GNOME 2 self. Neither mode offered any sort of menu upon right-clicking the desktop or panel. What do they think we have reverted to, an Apple single button mouse? The loss of functionality/capability is insane. But I'm also lazy and GNOME2 has been serving me very well in these years, so I will give GNOME3+gnome-shell a chance before taking any radical step (like switching to another DE or WM). I found XFCE to be able to handle my need for independent desktops a year ago. For a window manager it works well. As a desktop I have many GNOME/GTK+ and a couple Qt apps installed. I tend to pick and choose and not run all of one or the other. I will say that the GTK3 apps do look nice with the Adwaita theme in use. On my laptop running Wheezy I am still running GNOME2 desktop and will until it is forceably removed. At that time I'll probably go back to XFCE on it as well. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2005132402.ga2...@n0nb.us
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
Nate Bargmann, 5.11.2011: On a whim I installed GNOME 3 (shell and fallback) recently and gave it a spin. Until I moved my xorg.conf out of the way both modes would fail upon startup. When I did get them running the only possible configuration for the second monitor is as an extended desktop. But there was no means that I could figure out to put a panel or do anything but simply drag an app to the second screen. When GNOME shell was running, it was not intuitive and was extremely slow, to the point that You probably don't mean this when you say slow...locked up, but when the switch happened on my machine the mouse pointer would freeze for a second or two before starting to move. Finally I realized it happened because disable touchpad when typing had become set on its own. I thought it had locked up. Fallback mode is a shell of its former GNOME 2 self. Neither mode offered any sort of menu upon right-clicking the desktop or panel. What do they think we have reverted to, an Apple single button mouse? The loss of functionality/capability is insane. FYI, if you press Alt along with clicking on the panel, you get a menu to make changes, though I haven't yet figured our how to add shortcuts to main menu items. (IIRC, right clicking on iceweasel in the menu would allow me to put a shortcut on the panel. Now I can't do that, even with Alt.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2005165446.ge5...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
On 05/11/11 09:06, Javier Barroso wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkomhvw59...@care2.com wrote: Walter Hurry wrote: On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:27:01 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: GNOME Shell is the defining technology of the GNOME 3 user experience. That's exactly the problem, and precisely why I have moved on to LXDE. Well, for years I have been using FVWM. It does everything one could possibly want, except not quite what Compiz does for eyecandy. That was the reason I moved to Gnome. Will try LXDE and XFCE4, I guess. Hi, Currently I'm using (as second main desktop, first is awesome ;) ) gnome3. I can read a lot of criticism about it What don't you like ing GNOME 3 - GNOME - Shell? Now I've been running it for about a week I am really starting to like it EXCEPT FOR ONE THING I really wish the hot spot for shrinking the desktop could be moved to the bottom left. I keep accidentally using it when moving to the browser back button. (DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MOVE IT) Apart from that I am adjusting my way of working - which includes in the evening watching tv (mythtv) on my primary and working in parallel on my secondary screen, but during the ad breaks being able switch main screen desktop to some useful info whilst leaving the secondary set up as it is. In the old gnome I never used the multiple desktops I had set up, now I find them useful places to put things out of the way. And Linus' famous gripe that he hit the terminal button to get one and it just displayed his current one - I now fully understand why it is the way it is and its absolutely right. I can move my mail (icedove) to another workspace, but when I click the mail icon on my dock (on the left side) it jumps straight to it. -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eb57270.30...@chandlerfamily.org.uk
Re: [OT] Why not gnome3 (with gnome-shell)?
* On 2011 05 Nov 11:56 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote: You probably don't mean this when you say slow...locked up, I meant exactly that because that's exactly the experience I had with GNOME3 shell. I never got to the point of typing *anything* since I couldn't get it to open an application. After 15 years I've seen just about everything in the Linux desktop environment. FYI, if you press Alt along with clicking on the panel, you get a menu to make changes, Now *that's* intuitive. Rolls eyes at the GNOME designers. If the GNOMEies wanted a phone interface, fine. There is no sane reason it must be forced on _everyone_ who wants to use GNOME3 (fallback as it currently exists is not an option either). Much to their chagrin, there are alternatives. Perhaps sanity will reign and someone will port GNOME2 panel to GTK3 and keep the Linux desktop viable. If not, such viability will rest on the shoulders of the XFCE and LXDE developers. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2005230051.gb2...@n0nb.us
