Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
On Feb 13, 2008 3:21 PM, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Privatization works in third-world economies. Give it time: As soon as they realize they're a monopoly and has a newly relatively rich Romanian public by the balls, expect service to decline and prices to climb. Day 396 waiting for Qwest to fix my broken phone line... Who said they are a monopoly? They have to fight against cable providers who are now also offering telephone+internet. This is the real solution. The phone companies themselves, and they're right. Cable and internet phone companies don't have to; and in some cases, just plain can't; do things like allow access to 511 (road information), 911 (emergency services) or offer reliable service like real phone companies do. A monopoly is bad whether private OR state-owned. I'd agree with you if public ally owned utilities weren't so consistently good the world over, and private utilities so inclined to screw it's customers when given the opportunity. It's not whether or not they're the only option, it's whether their answering to their customers or their shareholders. Public utilities answer to the former, private companies answer to the latter. If you're the customer, it's pretty obvious the former is actually going to give a rat's ass if you're willing to do without and the latter will just send you to collections over services not rendered. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 06:03:27PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 8:39 AM, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:38:14PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Romania the telephone company got a LOT better after being privatised. Privatization works in third-world economies. Give it time: As soon as they realize they're a monopoly and has a newly relatively rich Romanian public by the balls, expect service to decline and prices to climb. Day 396 waiting for Qwest to fix my broken phone line... Who said they are a monopoly? They have to fight against cable providers who are now also offering telephone+internet. This is the real solution. A monopoly is bad whether private OR state-owned. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:38:14PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Romania the telephone company got a LOT better after being privatised. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Original Message: - From: Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:39:30 +0200 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:38:14PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Romania the telephone company got a LOT better after being privatised. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) Here in the US it seems that the service got lots worse (but more innovative) with privatisation. The old phone company (Ma Bell) provided great phone service but wasn't terribly motivated to innovate since their profits were regulated and there was virtually no competition. The new (post-breakup) phone service creates lots of competition (and with it lots of new and interesting services) but little motivation for quality service. In retrospect maybe we should have opted for a hybrid system with basic service being provided by a regulated utility but custom services being provided by competitive service providers. Too late now! Larry mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/08 20:03, Paul Johnson wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 8:39 AM, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:38:14PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Romania the telephone company got a LOT better after being privatised. Privatization works in third-world economies. Give it time: As soon as they realize they're a monopoly and has a newly relatively rich Romanian public by the balls, expect service to decline and prices to climb. Day 396 waiting for Qwest to fix my broken phone line... Every state that regulates private monopolies has something similar to what Louisiana calls the /Public Service Commission/. Call you commissioner (and your state representative, for that matter) and complain. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHsQFYS9HxQb37XmcRAtz4AJ4rm1cPy41mSzbgGypBQKCmwFu6KACfYfvd L9cJwcfrbimIU/hxefZS8h8= =D61I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
On Feb 11, 2008 8:39 AM, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 03:38:14PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Romania the telephone company got a LOT better after being privatised. Privatization works in third-world economies. Give it time: As soon as they realize they're a monopoly and has a newly relatively rich Romanian public by the balls, expect service to decline and prices to climb. Day 396 waiting for Qwest to fix my broken phone line... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Am 2008-02-03 12:07:11, schrieb Douglas A. Tutty: You're probably too far away from the telco's D/A converter to get 56K. Welcome to dialup-for-the-rest-of-us. ??? Sorry but, in Turkey where I have a haus at the end of the world and there I am using V.90 and get over 5 kByte/sec and the ISP with its Modem-Pool is in Ankara (arround 400 km distance). It also can depend on the quality of your modem. Some modems are more resistant/tolerant of noise on the line than others. I use a 3Com (USR) Courier (NOT sportster). These V-Everything modems (external serial) are supposed to be the best in the world. New, they cost hundreds of dollars. I purchased mine off eBay for $50 (+ S/H). OK, I am using Sporster and V-Everything too... :-) ...ver 12 years now and I can confirm, they are VERY High-Quality and have NEVER failed. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Am 2008-02-03 08:57:55, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. 3 kBit/s sound like a V.34+ on the ISP side while 4.5 kBit/s is in the range of a V.90/V.92... And yes, some ISP's are using realy old V.34+ Modem Pools... The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Because it use only V34+ (33.600 BpS) or maybe only V.34 (28.800 BpS) Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Maybe... Ask your ISP but you should know, that if you are using V.90/V.92 you are connecting to an ISDN System on the ISP side and your end (not you, but the Telephone company) must support it to. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? Hugo Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:29:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/03/08 08:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Yes. Anywhere from the CO to the inside wiring of the building your box is in. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? You're probably too far away from the telco's D/A converter to get 56K. Welcome to dialup-for-the-rest-of-us. It also can depend on the quality of your modem. Some modems are more resistant/tolerant of noise on the line than others. I use a 3Com (USR) Courier (NOT sportster). These V-Everything modems (external serial) are supposed to be the best in the world. New, they cost hundreds of dollars. I purchased mine off eBay for $50 (+ S/H). I see this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104135 for $80.99 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104004 for $239.99 indeed much more than what I paid. But I did not foresee the future... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Anybody savvy on dialup lines? Want to thank everybody for answering this, and the problem was noise on the line and it has been fixed by Telmex *in one day*! What?! Telmex responding to a problem in one day and fixing it? Yessir! Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 5, 2008 3:14 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to thank everybody for answering this, and the problem was noise on the line and it has been fixed by Telmex *in one day*! What?! Telmex responding to a problem in one day and fixing it? Yessir! That puts 'em lightyears ahead of Qwest here in the states. This is day 390 waiting for Qwest to fix my phone line so I can get a dialtone at all, and receive phone calls while it's raining outside. It rains a lot here. 11 months of disputed phone bills I don't have to pay so far...I'll probably be moving out of town before they get around to doing their job. I'm going to guess that Telmex is a state-owned utility and not a private monopoly? That would explain the better service right there... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:29:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/03/08 08:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Yes. Anywhere from the CO to the inside wiring of the building your box is in. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? You're probably too far away from the telco's D/A converter to get 56K. Welcome to dialup-for-the-rest-of-us. But before the move I got 56K and was 5km from the center of town. After the move I don't get 56K and am 10 blocks from the center of town. But who knows where the D/A converter is. It also can depend on the quality of your modem. Some modems are more resistant/tolerant of noise on the line than others. I use a 3Com (USR) Courier (NOT sportster). These V-Everything modems (external serial) are supposed to be the best in the world. New, they cost hundreds of dollars. I purchased mine off eBay for $50 (+ S/H). Nowhere near that: Amigo AME-CA95 56Kbps RS-232 $21.99 but it's all I've got and they don't sell external serial modems around here. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/03/08 08:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Yes. Anywhere from the CO to the inside wiring of the building your box is in. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? I used to be... :\ - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHpd3xS9HxQb37XmcRAimNAKCpxeqAeev5M/OnLI4/kl+2C/ekmQCgtCcV rO2Xwlp8GUcIAGrqiybiOLk= =v2KQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] dialup modemspeed change
Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Anybody savvy on dialup lines? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/03/08 08:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Yes. Anywhere from the CO to the inside wiring of the building your box is in. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? I used to be... :\ Thanks Ron. I don't think I am going to get anywhere with Telmex: it is a new installation, so they either messed up the installation or the problem is in their circuits in the city, more likely. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
Original Message: - From: Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:57:55 -0600 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: [OT] dialup modemspeed change Hi, I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Anybody savvy on dialup lines? Hugo Dialup modems are designed to operate at any one of multiple speeds depending on the quality of the local loop connection. As part of the dialup protocol the modem at your location and the one at your ISP interrogate the connection by sending bits at first the highest speed the modem supports and then in turn each fallback (lower supported speed). When the two have found the highest speed that connection supports, that speed is used for the duration of the call. Since the physical connection between you and your ISP can vary with each call depending on the specific TELCO routing, the process repeats with each new connection. The delay in your case is most likely due to the search for the now-supported lower speed. Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail
Re: [OT] dialup modemspeed change
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 09:29:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/03/08 08:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I've changed the physical location of the Sid box and the telephone number that is being used to dial the ISP. Everything else is the same. Now the connection is at a lower speed than before: average 3000 B/s while before it was 4500 B/s. The sound of V92 dialup modem on connecting has changed: it used connect right away, now it makes more additional sounds. Is this due to the quality of the phoneline? Yes. Anywhere from the CO to the inside wiring of the building your box is in. Anybody savvy on dialup lines? You're probably too far away from the telco's D/A converter to get 56K. Welcome to dialup-for-the-rest-of-us. It also can depend on the quality of your modem. Some modems are more resistant/tolerant of noise on the line than others. I use a 3Com (USR) Courier (NOT sportster). These V-Everything modems (external serial) are supposed to be the best in the world. New, they cost hundreds of dollars. I purchased mine off eBay for $50 (+ S/H). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
