Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On 18-Feb-99, 17:33 (CST), Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk wrote: Martin Schulze wrote: I'd like *everybody* think about a possible logo. Please notice the following simple rules: . A logo is NOT a set of letters. Thus the string Debian rendered very nice is ... a picture but not a logo. Forget that. No, no! Think of Mars. Everybody immediately recognises that word, in that colour and typestyle: they think of chocolate -- not of a planet, a Roman god or a piece of music. Written in ordinary type, it could be any of the four, or maybe something else. Question: does anybody else think that the debian with the line back to the dot in the 'i' that Rob Malda did for Slashdot is best logo yet done? Steve
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 09:30:19PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: Question: does anybody else think that the debian with the line back to the dot in the 'i' that Rob Malda did for Slashdot is best logo yet done? I like it, but I like the chicken better. Adam
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Oliver Elphick wrote: No, no! Think of Mars. Everybody immediately recognises that word, in that colour and typestyle: they think of chocolate -- not of a planet, a Roman god or a piece of music. Written in ordinary type, it could be any of the four, or maybe something else. Logo recognition is created by persistent and expensive advertising, or the equivalent in news coverage. Since we can't afford the one, and see no prospect of the other, it seems perverse to throw away one of the best aids to recognition. I think it would be to expensive to include so much chocolate bars into the envelopes of our CDs to attract so much people that it has the same effect. Also you have to find a way to beam chocolate bars via FTP or HTTP. Regards Andreas.
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: Question: does anybody else think that the debian with the line back to the dot in the 'i' that Rob Malda did for Slashdot is best logo yet done? Not me and so I wouldn't answer this posting, but please check your mail agent. I've got your mail seven times!! Regards Andreas.
[RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
I'd like *everybody* think about a possible logo. Please notice the following simple rules: . The logo must NOT be linux-centric. Thus a penguin in any form is inacceptable. We have Debian GNU/Hurd and people are working on something similar to Debian Solaris. Please accept that. . A logo is NOT a set of letters. Thus the string Debian rendered very nice is ... a picture but not a logo. Forget that. . A logo must be very recognizable. You notice a cameleon and immediately you know that this is SuSE, you see a stylized red hat and for sure, that's RedHat. Got it? . A logo needs to be simple, no details please. People need to be able to recognize a logo, keeping it in mind. They shall never lose it since it would represent the best set of free software. . A logo is simple. A drawing is not a logo, nor is a painting or an image. So put away all your van Gogh albums, their contents are useless as logos. . A logo needs to look good in colour (e.g. for a web page or a T-Shirt or a sweatshirt or similar, rendering here is fine) *AND* in black/white (as letterhead for button or similar). . A logo must be scalable. You know, on a web page the logo is small and you don't want such a small logo on your T-Shirt, right? . A new logo must be new. Don't come up with a logo that already exists. So put away the Universal Studios logo, just because Debian is the Universal Operating System doesn't mean we may use their logo. (although I believe that using a world or universe within the logo would be an interesting idea.) . The strings Debian GNU, Debian, Debian GNU/Hurd, Debian GNU/Linux and/or The universal operating system will be added if needed. Please don't include any of these strings in your submission. Please keep in mind that a set of letters is NOT a logo and that both a penguin and Linux are not acceptbable. If you lack some impressions please go to the railroad station, airport, harbour, tram station or shopping mall and realize how other logos look like. After that please draw your ideas on paper, digitalize and submit them. Regards, Joey -- We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. - Linus Torvalds Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Martin Schulze wrote: I'd like *everybody* think about a possible logo. Please notice the following simple rules: . The logo must NOT be linux-centric. Thus a penguin in any form is inacceptable. We have Debian GNU/Hurd and people are working on something similar to Debian Solaris. Please accept that. . A logo is NOT a set of letters. Thus the string Debian rendered very nice is ... a picture but not a logo. Forget that. . A logo must be very recognizable. You notice a cameleon and immediately you know that this is SuSE, you see a stylized red hat and for sure, that's RedHat. Got it? . A logo needs to be simple, no details please. People need to be able to recognize a logo, keeping it in mind. They shall never lose it since it would represent the best set of free software. . A logo is simple. A drawing is not a logo, nor is a painting or an image. So put away all your van Gogh albums, their contents are useless as logos. . A logo needs to look good in colour (e.g. for a web page or a T-Shirt or a sweatshirt or similar, rendering here is fine) *AND* in black/white (as letterhead for button or similar). . A logo must be scalable. You know, on a web page the logo is small and you don't want such a small logo on your T-Shirt, right? . A new logo must be new. Don't come up with a logo that already exists. So put away the Universal Studios logo, just because Debian is the Universal Operating System doesn't mean we may use their logo. (although I believe that using a world or universe within the logo would be an interesting idea.) . The strings Debian GNU, Debian, Debian GNU/Hurd, Debian GNU/Linux and/or The universal operating system will be added if needed. Please don't include any of these strings in your submission. Please keep in mind that a set of letters is NOT a logo and that both a penguin and Linux are not acceptbable. If you lack some impressions please go to the railroad station, airport, harbour, tram station or shopping mall and realize how other logos look like. After that please draw your ideas on paper, digitalize and submit them. It is the first time for me that I deal with the logo question, because it was of lower importance for me. Joeys mail lead me to another opinion. Please, please guys stick letter for letter onto this rules for a logo Joey mentioned in his mail. All rules are the result of a long thinking of a wise person! We can't change our Logo after each release so let us find a good clue. In my opinion the first step is thinking. Let us discuss the motive of the logo at first and *after* this lets start drawing (whatever drawing program you will take is the next question)! For example follow these idea: - often logos are animals - let us chose an animal which stands for freedom - there are many animals which fit this fact, but many of them are occupied by governments of countries - we shouldn't stik on any sign of a certain country - lets take an orca - everybody knows the Free Willy story ... I don't want to say anything about the quality of this film, but the general idea is good - it has something in common with our ideas: * we want to bring software to freedom -- its a process to get free * Debian is big, as well as an orca whale * ... fill in some more ideas here - it could be a strong logo (may be it could have something in common with the world-idea of Joey, because orcas live in all oceans of our world which may or may not be expressed in the futur logo - its a design question - we can brofit very much from the popularity of the whales in our day! ... we want to have popularity - a good designer cold paint a *funny* orca -- as funny as the penguin and other ones - an orca can be painted with less colors ... no problem with old fashioned displays and even on black and white it is fairly well OK, lets assume these ideas are good or someone has a better, its just a suggestion. *NOW* its time to make a logo contest for the best/funnyest/... orca which stands for Debian. PLEASE, PLEASE friends think first, before grabing your mouse to paint!! Kind regards Andreas.
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
Martin Schulze wrote: [a bunch of stuff I agree with, except] . A logo is NOT a set of letters. Thus the string Debian rendered very nice is ... a picture but not a logo. Forget that. Um, IBM's logo is just letters. Sun's logo is, well, just letters, technically. I wouldn't rule out a logo based on letters, but it should *be* a logo, which most of the entries in the GIMP contest aren't. -- Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I have a truly elegant proof of the or[EMAIL PROTECTED] | above, but it is too long to fit into http://www.dsp.net/xtifr | this .signature file.
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Chris Waters wrote: Um, IBM's logo is just letters. Sun's logo is, well, just letters, technically. I wouldn't rule out a logo based on letters, but it should *be* a logo, which most of the entries in the GIMP contest aren't. The should *be* a logo question in my opinion requires a detailed concept what is a Debian logo. That's why i started the Debian logo *idea* contest. Please vote for a letter-shaped logo and tell us your reasons for it to compete against my idea of Orca for Debian Sorry for the low level fighting style. I'm really embarassed about the logo contest topic. Unfortunately our world is ruled by advertisement. I'm really against this fact, but this doesn't help. We want to attract people, so we have to cope with this fact. Kind regards Andreas.
Re: [RfS] Request for Submissions: Upcoming Debian Logo
Martin Schulze wrote: I'd like *everybody* think about a possible logo. Please notice the following simple rules: ยทยทยท . A logo is NOT a set of letters. Thus the string Debian rendered very nice is ... a picture but not a logo. Forget that. No, no! Think of Mars. Everybody immediately recognises that word, in that colour and typestyle: they think of chocolate -- not of a planet, a Roman god or a piece of music. Written in ordinary type, it could be any of the four, or maybe something else. Logo recognition is created by persistent and expensive advertising, or the equivalent in news coverage. Since we can't afford the one, and see no prospect of the other, it seems perverse to throw away one of the best aids to recognition. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6
