Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Tom H wrote: Wouldn't it be better to keep gdm3 and customize it? http://www.khattam.info/howto-change-gdm-3-theme-and-wallpaper-2010-11-14.html Interesting. Is the presence and structure of those configuration files documented anywhere? Was this mentioned in the release notes? I'm not sure that this qualifies for the release notes but I'd hope that it is or will be documented on debian.org. I'll admit I didn't even try to RTFM to before I asked. I just assumed that if it was intuitive to use and had a simple gui in gdm, it should have at least that much user friendliness in the replacement, gdm3. Clearly I was wrong and we've returned to the days of editing configuration files by hand as the preferred mode of system administration. Such is life! PS: I understand the argument that the GNOME upstream folks have moved on and do not support gdm anymore. I further understand the argument that Debian can't go-it alone without upstream support. But I don't have to like the result! LOL to the last comment - and I agree. GNOME's fallen into a habit of setting certain defaults and only providing a CLI method of changing them. IIRC, one of the arguments for this design decision is that having too many different settings confuses users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikvqpb3eqevmjamsek3atkbgrfrurwwzbihd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
Hello, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Clearly I was wrong and we've returned to the days of editing configuration files by hand as the preferred mode of system administration. Such is life! PS: I understand the argument that the GNOME upstream folks have moved on and do not support gdm anymore. I further understand the argument that Debian can't go-it alone without upstream support. But I don't have to like the result! LOL to the last comment - and I agree. GNOME's fallen into a habit of setting certain defaults and only providing a CLI method of changing them. IIRC, one of the arguments for this design decision is that having too many different settings confuses users. normal conclusion of the desire not to confuse the user would be the introduction of an expert switch. ... but gnome developers had decided to be simple, not user friendly, with the result that people like me, that don't like kde and don't want to support change of development direction end up using kde, cause simple gnome is not usable any more. Some decisions really make sense ;) ubuntu will leave gnome, others will follow, so soon nobody can remember about gnome ;) kind regards Gero -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201103251528.55972.geronimo...@arcor.de
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On 2011-03-24, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Here's the trick: aptitude install gdm It will ask you if you want to remove gnome and gnome-desktop- environment as well as gdm3. If you answer yes it will give you a whole bunch of packages that will become newly unneeded. This is not what you wanted -- at least it's not what *I* wanted. It will then ask if you want to Accept this solution?. Do not answer y; do not answer n; instead answer . (that's right, just the period character.) It will then offer another solution, which is also not good. Keep answering . until you get to a solution that just wants to remove gdm3, nothing else, and offers to install the one package, fast-user-switch-applet. The display will look like this: Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] . The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1) gdm3 Install the following packages: 2) fast-user-switch-applet [2.24.0-6 (stable)] Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Now answer y. All will be well and after a reboot you will get the familiar gdm login screen with the Actions option that allows you to set themes and color-schemes. A! *So* much better! You should get the same result if you install in one shot: aptitude install gdm fast-user-switch-applet -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrniom2e6.20h.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: On 2011-03-24, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] . The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1) gdm3 Install the following packages: 2) fast-user-switch-applet [2.24.0-6 (stable)] Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Now answer y. All will be well and after a reboot you will get the familiar gdm login screen with the Actions option that allows you to set themes and color-schemes. A! *So* much better! You should get the same result if you install in one shot: aptitude install gdm fast-user-switch-applet True. But how to know that? I'd need to do a detailed study of the ramified dependencies of gdm and gdm3. All I really wanted was to replace gdm3 with gdm. Aptitude and apt are supposed to be there to keep me from having to understand the dependency tree in all its gory detail. The . trick does the exploration for me, if I know to use it. It's in the documentation, but it's not immediately obvious that it solves this kind of problem. I hope that reporting my experiences here will raise consciousness of the tissue, and in the future others will read this thread and learn how to improve their user experience with Debian. Enjoy! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ad03fba3-9baa-4e84-9a2b-92bcb90ed...@pobox.com
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On 2011-03-24, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: --- SNIP --- You should get the same result if you install in one shot: aptitude install gdm fast-user-switch-applet True. But how to know that? I'd need to do a detailed study of the ramified dependencies of gdm and gdm3. All I really wanted was to replace gdm3 with gdm. Aptitude and apt are supposed to be there to keep me from having to understand the dependency tree in all its gory detail. My remark was for the benefit of those wishing to follow in your footsteps :-) The . trick does the exploration for me, if I know to use it. It's in the documentation, but it's not immediately obvious that it solves this kind of problem. I hope that reporting my experiences here will raise consciousness of the tissue, and in the future others will read this thread and learn how to improve their user experience with Debian. Agreed. -- Liam O'Toole Cork, Ireland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrniomi31.20h.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: True. But how to know that? I'd need to do a detailed study of the ramified dependencies of gdm and gdm3. All I really wanted was to replace gdm3 with gdm. Aptitude and apt are supposed to be there to keep me from having to understand the dependency tree in all its gory detail. The . trick does the exploration for me, if I know to use it. It's in the documentation, but it's not immediately obvious that it solves this kind of problem. I hope that reporting my experiences here will raise consciousness of the tissue, and in the future others will read this thread and learn how to improve their user experience with Debian. Wouldn't it be better to keep gdm3 and customize it? http://www.khattam.info/howto-change-gdm-3-theme-and-wallpaper-2010-11-14.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=h2ugZEhHFKRWM7DsQB-S3AfeDjK14=p3w1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Tom H wrote: Wouldn't it be better to keep gdm3 and customize it? http://www.khattam.info/howto-change-gdm-3-theme-and-wallpaper-2010-11-14.html Interesting. Is the presence and structure of those configuration files documented anywhere? Was this mentioned in the release notes? I'll admit I didn't even try to RTFM to before I asked. I just assumed that if it was intuitive to use and had a simple gui in gdm, it should have at least that much user friendliness in the replacement, gdm3. Clearly I was wrong and we've returned to the days of editing configuration files by hand as the preferred mode of system administration. Such is life! Rick PS: I understand the argument that the GNOME upstream folks have moved on and do not support gdm anymore. I further understand the argument that Debian can't go-it alone without upstream support. But I don't have to like the result! /^; -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/fee54fc9-503f-4b38-b891-bc7282267...@pobox.com
[SOLVED] Re: How to change the style and background of the Squeeze login screen?
On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:25 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: I tried installing gdm, which (as expected) wanted to replace gdm3 (which was fine with me) but it also wanted to delete a *whole* *bunch* of other stuff as well. I have no idea if I need that other stuff -- or am I just as well off without it? Is there some easy way I can get my login screen options back? Easy is a relative thing. Here's the trick: aptitude install gdm It will ask you if you want to remove gnome and gnome-desktop- environment as well as gdm3. If you answer yes it will give you a whole bunch of packages that will become newly unneeded. This is not what you wanted -- at least it's not what *I* wanted. It will then ask if you want to Accept this solution?. Do not answer y; do not answer n; instead answer . (that's right, just the period character.) It will then offer another solution, which is also not good. Keep answering . until you get to a solution that just wants to remove gdm3, nothing else, and offers to install the one package, fast-user-switch-applet. The display will look like this: Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] . The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1) gdm3 Install the following packages: 2) fast-user-switch-applet [2.24.0-6 (stable)] Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Now answer y. All will be well and after a reboot you will get the familiar gdm login screen with the Actions option that allows you to set themes and color-schemes. A! *So* much better! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b9558def-8452-4bcc-984c-221526760...@pobox.com
