Re: best Linux video card

1997-12-24 Thread John Goerzen
Pere,

I got an ATI 3D Pro Turbo PC2TV 8MEG (Mach64/3D RageII+) card for
about $210.  It is quite awesome, and lightning fast.  It supports my
21 monitor quite nicely, and is well-supported under Windows as well.

The TV output doesn't work under Linux, but that's not what I got it
for anyway :-)

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   What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video card 
 available for $100-225? 
 
   Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-10 Thread avryhof
How do I get X11 to work on my IBM Aptiva (model 2144-M51) Mouse, Video
Card.

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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:09:22 -0500 (EST) Simon's Mailing List Account
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Around the $100 end (or less) I'd say a generic ET6000 based card
with 4MB of MDRAM. However, for around $220-$230 you should be
able to find a Matrox Millenium II with 4MB of WRAM. It's supported
as a Millenium I right now, but it'll be even better when it's fully
supported as a Millenium 2.

Simon

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

 Hi!
 
  What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video 
card 
 available for $100-225? 
 
  Thanks in advance for your help!
 
 Pere.
 

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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-05 Thread Bruce Jackson
Gary L. Hennigan wrote:

 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 Oleg Krivosheev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:
  Oleg,
 
   are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
   you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
   Linux and Windows and can play
   GLQuake with decent frame rate.
 
   Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
  well?
 
 i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
 Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.
 My friend just bought diamond monster 3d
 and will install debian in a couple of days.
 I'll inform you about the results

 The 3Dfx cards are passthru, i.e., they only supply 3D
 capabilities. They rely on a 2D card being installed in the machine
 and an external cable connects the two. I have one in my PC, along
 with a Millenium I, and had no trouble with Debian and it coexisting
 peacefully. Debian was installed before I installed my Monster 3D, but
 I doubt it would make a difference. As far as I can tell Linux
 completely ignores my 3Dfx based Monster 3D.
 Oleg is correct in that any cheap 2D card will do,
 unfortunately, as far as I know, that's all Linux uses so you're
 likely to be unhappy with the Linux/X video performance if you have a
 cheap 2D card.
 Does anyone know of a GL library that takes advantage of the
 3Dfx under Linux? It'd be great to display GL apps running on my SGI
 workstation at work on my PC at home but as far as I know SGI's are
 the only platform with full GL support.

 Gary Hennigan

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There is the mesagl library.  2.5 is still in beta.  Once it is finished
glquake for linux will be released.  The mesagl library and the glide
library from 3dfx will give you opengl support.


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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-05 Thread Lawrence
mesa, but not sure whether debian mesa compiled with 3Dfx Voodoo
support.

Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
 
 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 Oleg Krivosheev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:
  Oleg,
 
   are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
   you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
   Linux and Windows and can play
   GLQuake with decent frame rate.
 
   Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
  well?
 
 i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
 Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.
 My friend just bought diamond monster 3d
 and will install debian in a couple of days.
 I'll inform you about the results
 
 The 3Dfx cards are passthru, i.e., they only supply 3D
 capabilities. They rely on a 2D card being installed in the machine
 and an external cable connects the two. I have one in my PC, along
 with a Millenium I, and had no trouble with Debian and it coexisting
 peacefully. Debian was installed before I installed my Monster 3D, but
 I doubt it would make a difference. As far as I can tell Linux
 completely ignores my 3Dfx based Monster 3D.
 Oleg is correct in that any cheap 2D card will do,
 unfortunately, as far as I know, that's all Linux uses so you're
 likely to be unhappy with the Linux/X video performance if you have a
 cheap 2D card.
 Does anyone know of a GL library that takes advantage of the
 3Dfx under Linux? It'd be great to display GL apps running on my SGI
 workstation at work on my PC at home but as far as I know SGI's are
 the only platform with full GL support.
 
 Gary Hennigan
 
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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-05 Thread Patrick MAGNAUD
Oleg Krivosheev wrote:
 
...
 
 ps  There are work underway to port GLQuake to Linux+Mesa+Glide !!!

Is there the same work for Hexen II ?

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-05 Thread Donald R. Harter Jr.
For information on the Matrox MIlleium II card see
http://matrox.alloy.net.  That is the address for the developers of the
Xfree86 driver for it.  The current debian Xfree86 package does not work
with it.  You have to get the latest version of the driver.  See the web
page for more details.  It may also be plug and play, and you may have to
use experimental kernels or use loadlin.

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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-05 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Patrick MAGNAUD wrote:

 Oleg Krivosheev wrote:
  
 ...
  
  ps  There are work underway to port GLQuake to Linux+Mesa+Glide !!!
 
 Is there the same work for Hexen II ?
 
 Patrick Magnaud.

i have no idea

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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-05 Thread Pere Camps
Gary,

   Oleg is correct in that any cheap 2D card will do,
 unfortunately, as far as I know, that's all Linux uses so you're
 likely to be unhappy with the Linux/X video performance if you have a
 cheap 2D card.

Ok. Thanks for the information. I'll probably be buying a
Millenium II.

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-05 Thread Pere Camps
Simon,

 supposably working on getting Mesa to use the hardware 3D features.
 It's a damn fast 2D card though.

I'll probably be buying the Millenium II. It looks like the best
buy around.

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-05 Thread Pere Camps
Donald,

   For information on the Matrox MIlleium II card see
 http://matrox.alloy.net.  That is the address for the developers of the

Thanks for the pointer. I'll look it up.

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best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Hi!

What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video card 
available for $100-225? 

Thanks in advance for your help!

Pere.

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Simon's Mailing List Account
Around the $100 end (or less) I'd say a generic ET6000 based card
with 4MB of MDRAM. However, for around $220-$230 you should be
able to find a Matrox Millenium II with 4MB of WRAM. It's supported
as a Millenium I right now, but it'll be even better when it's fully
supported as a Millenium 2.

Simon

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

 Hi!
 
   What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video card 
 available for $100-225? 
 
   Thanks in advance for your help!
 
 Pere.
 

Simon Karpen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Paul Miller
I would have to go with the Matrox Millinium II; 64bit, 220 MHz, up to 16
WRAM, real time mpeg and rainbow running upgrades for video editing, and I
think the 4 meg card is about $200 or $250..  I'm not sure the XFree86
supports it, but I believe Accel-X does.

-Paul

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

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   What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video card 
 available for $100-225? 
 
   Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Ben Pfaff
Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I would have to go with the Matrox Millinium II; 64bit, 220 MHz, up to 16
 WRAM, real time mpeg and rainbow running upgrades for video editing, and I
 think the 4 meg card is about $200 or $250..  I'm not sure the XFree86
 supports it, but I believe Accel-X does.

XFree86 certainly does support it.  However, currently the
acceleration is limited to that supported by the Millenium I.  It will
only improve in the future, I'm sure.
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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

 
 Hi!
 
   What's the best Linux/Debian (Win95/NT too) compatible video card 
 available for $100-225? 
 
   Thanks in advance for your help!

card with 3d acceleration is way to go.
The only supported by Linux 3d cards
are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.

you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
Linux and Windows and can play
GLQuake with decent frame rate.

with 4m ram ~$150 in US.

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Bruce Perens
S3 has signed the Open Hardware certification for the Virge.

Thanks

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Simon,

 with 4MB of MDRAM. However, for around $220-$230 you should be
 able to find a Matrox Millenium II with 4MB of WRAM. It's supported
 as a Millenium I right now, but it'll be even better when it's fully
 supported as a Millenium 2.

Is the Millenium II good on 3D, or, remaking the question, can I
use the Millenium II's 3D capabilities under Linux? 

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Oleg,

 are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
 you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
 Linux and Windows and can play
 GLQuake with decent frame rate.

Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
well?

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Paul,

 I would have to go with the Matrox Millinium II; 64bit, 220 MHz, up to 16
 WRAM, real time mpeg and rainbow running upgrades for video editing, and I
 think the 4 meg card is about $200 or $250..  I'm not sure the XFree86

Any good for 3D? Better than Diamond's Monster?

Thanks for your help!

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Bruce,

 S3 has signed the Open Hardware certification for the Virge.

Does this make all the Virges good for Linux? If so, do we have
support for them now, or do we have to wait?

Thanks for the info!

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

 Oleg,
 
  are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
  you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
  Linux and Windows and can play
  GLQuake with decent frame rate.
 
   Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
 well?

i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.
My friend just bought diamond monster 3d
and will install debian in a couple of days.
I'll inform you about the results

regards

OK


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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Ben Pfaff
Pere Camps [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  S3 has signed the Open Hardware certification for the Virge.
 
   Does this make all the Virges good for Linux? If so, do we have
 support for them now, or do we have to wait?

They are supported now, in XFree86 and in svgalib.
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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pete Harlan
 S3 has signed the Open Hardware certification for the Virge.
 
   Thanks
 
   Bruce

What's the Open Hardware certification?  What other vendors
have/haven't signed it?  What other chipsets has S3 signed it for, or
not signed it for?  Why did Debian's version numbering change?  (Just
kidding about that last one ;)

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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Pere Camps
Oleg,

 i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
 Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.

I don't play Quake the times I will need to in order to pay up for
buying a Diamond Monster. ;)

Thanks anyway for your help.

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Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-04 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 Oleg Krivosheev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:
 Oleg,
 
  are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
  you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
  Linux and Windows and can play
  GLQuake with decent frame rate.
 
  Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
 well?

i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.
My friend just bought diamond monster 3d
and will install debian in a couple of days.
I'll inform you about the results

The 3Dfx cards are passthru, i.e., they only supply 3D
capabilities. They rely on a 2D card being installed in the machine
and an external cable connects the two. I have one in my PC, along
with a Millenium I, and had no trouble with Debian and it coexisting
peacefully. Debian was installed before I installed my Monster 3D, but
I doubt it would make a difference. As far as I can tell Linux
completely ignores my 3Dfx based Monster 3D.
Oleg is correct in that any cheap 2D card will do,
unfortunately, as far as I know, that's all Linux uses so you're
likely to be unhappy with the Linux/X video performance if you have a
cheap 2D card.
Does anyone know of a GL library that takes advantage of the
3Dfx under Linux? It'd be great to display GL apps running on my SGI
workstation at work on my PC at home but as far as I know SGI's are
the only platform with full GL support.

Gary Hennigan


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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Simon's Mailing List Account
I don't think 3D is supported right now, though people are
supposably working on getting Mesa to use the hardware 3D features.
It's a damn fast 2D card though.

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:

 Simon,
 
  with 4MB of MDRAM. However, for around $220-$230 you should be
  able to find a Matrox Millenium II with 4MB of WRAM. It's supported
  as a Millenium I right now, but it'll be even better when it's fully
  supported as a Millenium 2.
 
   Is the Millenium II good on 3D, or, remaking the question, can I
 use the Millenium II's 3D capabilities under Linux? 

Simon Karpen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: best Linux video card (Open Hardware)

1997-11-04 Thread Pete Harlan
  S3 has signed the Open Hardware certification for the Virge.
...
 What's the Open Hardware certification?  What other vendors

Look at http://www.debian.org/OpenHardware/.  It's a way for
manufacturers to promise that they'll publish specs for their
hardware.  Bruce did this along with a lot of other non-M$ folks.

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Re: Monster 3D (was Re: best Linux video card)

1997-11-04 Thread Oleg Krivosheev

hi,

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:

 
 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 Oleg Krivosheev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Pere Camps wrote:
  Oleg,
  
   are 3dfx based - check diamond monster 3d.
   you'll have accelerated OpenGL under
   Linux and Windows and can play
   GLQuake with decent frame rate.
  
 Does the monster need a 2D card, or can it provide 2D graphics as
  well?
 
 i believe you have to have 2D card as well.
 Any cheap (~$50) S3 card will do it.
 My friend just bought diamond monster 3d
 and will install debian in a couple of days.
 I'll inform you about the results
 
   The 3Dfx cards are passthru, i.e., they only supply 3D
 capabilities. They rely on a 2D card being installed in the machine
 and an external cable connects the two. I have one in my PC, along
 with a Millenium I, and had no trouble with Debian and it coexisting
 peacefully. Debian was installed before I installed my Monster 3D, but
 I doubt it would make a difference. As far as I can tell Linux
 completely ignores my 3Dfx based Monster 3D.
   Oleg is correct in that any cheap 2D card will do,
 unfortunately, as far as I know, that's all Linux uses so you're
 likely to be unhappy with the Linux/X video performance if you have a
 cheap 2D card.

that's not true. See below

   Does anyone know of a GL library that takes advantage of the
 3Dfx under Linux? 

3dfx ported their Glide library (basically direct hardware interface) 
to Linux. Mesa (free opengl clone) starting with version 2.4 
uses Glide for hardware acceleration. Mesa folks
got essentially the same frame rate under Linux as
with 3dfx W32 miniOGL driver. Check Mesa web page

 It'd be great to display GL apps running on my SGI
 workstation at work on my PC at home but as far as I know SGI's are
 the only platform with full GL support.

these are not quite related questions.
In order to show GL apprs remoutely you have to
have GLX X server extension. There is some work underway
to have Mesa registered as XFree GLX extension.

On standalone computer Mesa provides full OpenGL 1.1
implementation (well, almost). 

regards

OK

ps  There are work underway to port GLQuake to Linux+Mesa+Glide !!!


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Re: best Linux video card

1997-11-04 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Simon's Mailing List Account wrote:

 I don't think 3D is supported right now, though people are
 supposably working on getting Mesa to use the hardware 3D features.
 It's a damn fast 2D card though.

well, marketing people can call Mill II or Virge etc 3D cards.

If you want decent 3D acceleration, the only
cards to think about are 3dfx based and up
(permedia comes in mind)

Fortunately for Linux 3dfx cards are relatively cheap and
supported.

regards

ok


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