Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Martin Read]

On 04/02/17 07:30, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/03/17 11:04, Felix Miata wrote:

I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from Wheezy.


I am of the opinion that attempting an in-place major version upgrade of
an operating system or a service is folly.


Perhaps - and yet, one of the requirements for Debian packages is that 
you should be able to do in-place upgrades in reasonable safety, and 
that if there are any substantial caveats to such an action when going 
from oldstable to stable, they need to be documented in the release notes.

Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 04-02-2017 05:30, David Christensen wrote:
> I am of the opinion that attempting an in-place major version upgrade
> of an operating system or a service is folly.  The only reliable
> method is to do a fresh install on another computer, and then migrate.

Whatever works for you. But keep in mind that debian does support in
place upgrades and offers support for that. I and many others have done
that successfully several times.


-- 
What one fool can do, another can.
-- Ancient Simian Proverb

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Felix Miata]

David Christensen composed on 2017-02-03 23:30 (UTC-0800):


Felix Miata wrote:



I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from Wheezy.



I am of the opinion that attempting an in-place major version upgrade of
an operating system or a service is folly.  The only reliable method is
to do a fresh install on another computer, and then migrate.


That sounds pretty much the opposite of the recommended installation method 
forSid - install prior release or unstable, then upgrade it to Sid.



This means you need at least three computers -- one that you are
migrating off, one that you are migrating onto, and one (or more) for
everything else you need to keep operational while you do the migration.
  Mobile racks and spare drives will help immensely.


I have lots of functioning computers, and a fair sized stash of extra HDs. All 
except one machine are multiboot. Installations average >10 per machine. I find 
upgrades are generally less painful that all the re-customization that fresh 
installs entail (especially when Zypper is the available upgrade tool). Clone 
partition, apply new UUID and label, reconfigure bootloader, fstab and sources, 
then upgrade. If there's a major malfunction, just re-clone and start over, not 
that big a deal. YMMV. :-D

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Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[David Christensen]

On 02/03/17 11:04, Felix Miata wrote:

I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from Wheezy.


I am of the opinion that attempting an in-place major version upgrade of 
an operating system or a service is folly.  The only reliable method is 
to do a fresh install on another computer, and then migrate.



This means you need at least three computers -- one that you are 
migrating off, one that you are migrating onto, and one (or more) for 
everything else you need to keep operational while you do the migration. 
 Mobile racks and spare drives will help immensely.



David

Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Felix Miata]

Sven Joachim composed on 2017-02-03 20:54 (UTC+0100):

Thank you for your response!


On 2017-02-03 14:04 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:



I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from
Wheezy. It's still using 3.16 kernel and Xorg server 1.12.4. apt-cache
search linux-image shows me the various kernel versions to choose from
backports, but apt-cache search xserver-xorg-core produces a short
list with no versions. What am I doing wrong to not have been upgraded
to Jessie's Xorg server version, and why doesn't apt-cache search give
any version info?



My hunch is that you don't actually have an entry for jessie in your
sources.list, but only one for jessie-backports.  That is not going to
work well.


String heezy is totally absent from it:

deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb jessie deps-r14 main-r14
deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb jessie deps-r14 main-r14


Also, apt-get update produces a BADSIG GPG error for
jessie-backports. How does one go about cleaning that up?



Does this still happen after upgrading the debian-archive-keyring to the
jessie version?


I fixed GPG and Xorg version problems by simply doing 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. 
:-p

I still am vexed by attempts to discover versions of packages available from 
repos. :-(

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Re: 7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-02-03 14:04 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

> I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from
> Wheezy. It's still using 3.16 kernel and Xorg server 1.12.4. apt-cache
> search linux-image shows me the various kernel versions to choose from
> backports, but apt-cache search xserver-xorg-core produces a short
> list with no versions. What am I doing wrong to not have been upgraded
> to Jessie's Xorg server version, and why doesn't apt-cache search give
> any version info?

My hunch is that you don't actually have an entry for jessie in your
sources.list, but only one for jessie-backports.  That is not going to
work well.

> Also, apt-get update produces a BADSIG GPG error for
> jessie-backports. How does one go about cleaning that up?

Does this still happen after upgrading the debian-archive-keyring to the
jessie version?

Cheers,
   Sven

7->8: inexplicable difficulty discovering available package versions

[Felix Miata]

I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade to reach Jessie 8.7 from Wheezy. It's still 
using 3.16 kernel and Xorg server 1.12.4. apt-cache search linux-image shows me 
the various kernel versions to choose from backports, but apt-cache search 
xserver-xorg-core produces a short list with no versions. What am I doing wrong 
to not have been upgraded to Jessie's Xorg server version, and why doesn't 
apt-cache search give any version info?


Also, apt-get update produces a BADSIG GPG error for jessie-backports. How does 
one go about cleaning that up?

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg

pub   4096R/F5CFC95C 2014-06-08
uid  QuickBuild Trinity Desktop Environment

pub   1024D/6BF18B15 2000-08-08
uid  Leo Moll 
uid  [jpeg image of size 7696]
uid  Leo Moll 
uid  Leo Moll 
uid  Leo Moll 
uid  Leo Moll 
uid  [jpeg image of size 3113]
uid  [jpeg image of size 3267]
sub   3072g/80DA337D 2000-08-08

pub   4096R/A04BE668 2014-06-21
uid  Slávek Banko 
uid  Slavek Banko 
uid  Miloslav Banko 
sub   4096R/D3FD324D 2014-06-21

/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-jessie-automatic.gpg
---
pub   4096R/2B90D010 2014-11-21 [expires: 2022-11-19]
uid  Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (8/jessie) 


/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg

pub   4096R/C857C906 2014-11-21 [expires: 2022-11-19]
uid  Debian Security Archive Automatic Signing Key (8/jessie) 


/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg

pub   4096R/518E17E1 2013-08-17 [expires: 2021-08-15]
uid  Jessie Stable Release Key 

/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-squeeze-automatic.gpg

pub   4096R/473041FA 2010-08-27 [expires: 2018-03-05]
uid  Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) 


/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-squeeze-stable.gpg
-
pub   4096R/B98321F9 2010-08-07 [expires: 2017-08-05]
uid  Squeeze Stable Release Key 


/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-wheezy-automatic.gpg
---
pub   4096R/46925553 2012-04-27 [expires: 2020-04-25]
uid  Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) 


/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//debian-archive-wheezy-stable.gpg

pub   4096R/65FFB764 2012-05-08 [expires: 2019-05-07]
uid  Wheezy Stable Release Key 

System:Host: big31 Kernel: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Console: 
tty 3 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 8
Machine:   Mobo: TAR model: G31-M7 TE Bios: American Megatrends v: 080014 date: 
02/01/2010
CPU:   Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E7600 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB 
   Clock Speeds: 1: 3053 MHz 2: 3053 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210]
   Display Server: X.org 1.12.4 driver: nouveau tty size: 180x56 
Advanced Data: N/A for root out of X
Audio: Card-1 Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller 
driver: snd_hda_intel
   Card-2 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
   Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8169 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
   IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 
00:0a:cd:26:d3:8d
Drives:HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (4.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: 
Hitachi_HCS5C105 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 5.4G used: 2.1G (41%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda15
   ID-2: /home size: 4.3G used: 875M (21%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda9
   ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
   deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
   deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
   deb