Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-10 Thread Rick Macdonald

Roy Pluschke said:
> On February 9, 2004 04:42 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:

>> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.
>
> I don't understand the above statement. Timidity is/has true midi. To run
> timidity as a alsa synth start up timidity like this:
>
> timidity -Os -iA -B2,8 &

> Its best to have timidity suid root so that it can use the real time
> scheduler/clock or whatever it is called.

Yes, this works fine! So far I just tried "pmidi -p 128:0".

Now what I really need to do is get the test program working (code is
below), so I need to know an actual device name, but I can't get it
working.

I straced pmidi:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ strace -f pmidi -p 128:0 ~/Rainbow4.mid  2>&1 | grep
/dev
open("/dev/snd/seq", O_RDWR)= 3

and it seems that it uses /dev/snd/seq, but playmidi doesn't like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ playmidi -D /dev/snd/seq ~/Rainbow4.mid
Playmidi 2.4 Copyright (C) 1994-1997 Nathan I. Laredo, AWE32 by Takashi Iwai
playmidi: No playback device found.

However, telling playmidi to use "external midi" does work:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ strace -f playmidi -e ~/Rainbow4.mid 2>&1 |grep seq
open("/dev/sequencer", O_WRONLY)= 3
Requested buffer size 2048, fragment size 1024
ALSA pcm 'default' set buffer size 2048, period size 1024 bytes

But putting "-D /dev/sequencer" on the playmidi command line does _not_ work.

I've tried all these device names in the code below and none work. Any
idea how to get the test program to work? (I tried adding a sleep(3)
before the close in case it was cutting off the note, but it didn't help).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ playmidi --help
Playmidi 2.4 Copyright (C) 1994-1997 Nathan I. Laredo, AWE32 by Takashi Iwai
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details please see the file COPYING.
usage: playmidi [-options] file1 [file2 ...]
  -v   verbosity (additive)
  -i x ignore channels set in bitmask x (hex)
  -c x play only channels set in bitmask x (hex)
  -x x exclude channel x from playable bitmask
  -p [c,]x play program x on channel c (all if no c)
  -V [c,]x play channel c with volume x (all if no c)
  -t x skew tempo by x (float)
  -d   don't play any percussion
  -P x play percussion on channel x
  -e   output to external midi
  -D x output to midi device x
  -f   output to fm (sb patches)
  -4   output to 4-op fm (opl/3 patches)
  -a   output to awe32 wave synth
  -h x skip to header x in large archive
  -g   output to gravis ultrasound
  -E x play channels in bitmask x external
  -F x play channels in bitmask x on fm
  -G x play channels in bitmask x on gus
  -A x play channels in bitmask x on awe32
  -z   ignore channel of all events
  -8   force 8-bit samples on GUS
  -M   enable MT-32 to GM translation mode
  -I   show list of all GM programs (see -p)
  -R x set initial reverb to x (0-127)
  -C x set initial chorus to x (0-127)
  -r   real-time playback graphics

I couldn't seem to get "amidi" to work either:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ amidi -p hw:128,0 -S "90 40 ef"
cannot open port "hw:128,0": No such device

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ pmidi -l
 Port Client name   Port name
 64:0 Rawmidi 0 - EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UEMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)
 65:0 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 0
 65:1 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 1
 65:2 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 2
 65:3 Emu10k1 WaveTable Emu10k1 Port 3
128:0 Client-128TiMidity port 0
128:1 Client-128TiMidity port 1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SRC$ amidi -l
DeviceName
hw:0,0EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART)
hw:0,1Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices)
hw:0,2Emu10k1 Synth MIDI (16 subdevices)

My midi test program:

//
// Programmer:Craig Stuart Sapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
// Creation Date: Mon Dec 21 18:00:42 PST 1998
// Last Modified: Mon Dec 21 18:00:42 PST 1998
// Filename:  ...linuxmidi/output/method1.c
// Syntax:C
// $Smake:gcc -O -o devmidiout devmidiout.c && strip devmidiout
//

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

int main(void) {
   // char* device =  "/dev/midi" ;
   char* device =  "/dev/sequencer" ;
   unsigned char data[3] = {0x90, 60, 127};

   // step 1: open the OSS device for writing
   int fd = open(device, O_WRONLY, 0);
   if (fd < 0) {
  printf("Error: cannot open %s\n", device);
  exit(1);
   }

   // step 2: write the MIDI information to the OSS device
   write(fd, data, sizeof(data));

   // step 3: (optional) close the OSS device
   close(fd);

   return 0;
}

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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-10 Thread Roy Pluschke
On February 9, 2004 11:35 pm, Conrad Newton wrote:
> From Roy Pluschke on Monday, 2004-02-09 at 18:50:36 -0800:
> > On February 9, 2004 05:53 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > > Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working
> > > for years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to
> > > get by with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my
> > > MIDI H/W ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test
> > > yet.
> >
> > From what I can tell from here, yes.
> >
> > I'm not sure what timidity sound patches, if any, debian currently has.
>
> The package is called "timidity-patches".
>
> Conrad

The package only exists in stable and is missing from testing and unstable -- 
don't know why perhaps some licencing issues. The "timidity-patches" are not 
of the same quality as the "eawpats". 10mb as opposed to 24mb, the difference 
is quite audible.

R.J.P.


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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-10 Thread Conrad Newton
>From Roy Pluschke on Monday, 2004-02-09 at 18:50:36 -0800:
> On February 9, 2004 05:53 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working for
> > years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to get by
> > with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my MIDI H/W
> > ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test yet.
> 
> From what I can tell from here, yes.
> 
> I'm not sure what timidity sound patches, if any, debian currently has.

The package is called "timidity-patches".

Conrad


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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Roy Pluschke
On February 9, 2004 05:53 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working for
> years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to get by
> with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my MIDI H/W
> ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test yet.
>

>From what I can tell from here, yes.

I'm not sure what timidity sound patches, if any, debian currently has.
I would highly recommend the "eawpats" which are available here 

http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/eawpats12_full.rar

You will need to "unrar" them (apt-get install unrar)
unrar e -y whatever.rar

I placed them in /usr/share/timidity/eawpats/
my timidity.cfg file looks as follows

# start
dir /usr/share/timidity/eawpats/
source gravis.cfg
source gsdrums.cfg
source gssfx.cfg
source xgmap2.cfg
# end


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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Rick Macdonald

Roy - thanks for all the info! I've had timidity installed and working for
years, but I gather it does more than I thought. I might be able to get by
with it after all. Am I correct in assuming that with ALSA my MIDI H/W
ports are probably working now? I haven't had a chance to test yet.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep SB
02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)
02:0d.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port
(rev 08)

Roy Pluschke said:
> On February 9, 2004 04:42 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said:
>> > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>> >> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load
>> >> "sound
>> >> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still
>> required
>> >> or
>> >> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists.
>> >>
>> >> What do I need to do next?
>> >
>> > You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find
>> > something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in
>> your
>> > Live
>> > card.  And the soundfonts as well, of course.
>>
>> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.
>>
>> Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages?
>>
>> I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files
>> (CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will
>> they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them.
>>
>> Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload?
>>
>
> I use the awesfx package on my debian box without any problems
> (soundblaster
> live card).  The sound fonts that come with the soundcard are called
> 2gmgsmt.sf2, 4gmgsmt.sf2 and 8mbgmsfx.sf2 which I'm sure you can find with
> a
> quick google. Note that using the cards wave synth under alsa drops an
> occasional note. See the alsa home page about this bug.
>
>> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.
>
> I don't understand the above statement. Timidity is/has true midi. To run
> timidity as a alsa synth start up timidity like this:
>
> timidity -Os -iA -B2,8 &
>
> Its best to have timidity suid root so that it can use the real time
> scheduler/clock or whatever it is called.  In your application i.e.
> rosegarden or noteedit just select the timidity synth instead of the
> soundcard synth. The timidity samples are much better that the 8mb sound
> fonts that come by default with the soundblaster cards.
>
> R.J.P.
>
>
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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Roy Pluschke
On February 9, 2004 04:42 pm, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said:
> > On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> >> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load
> >> "sound
> >> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required
> >> or
> >> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists.
> >>
> >> What do I need to do next?
> >
> > You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find
> > something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your
> > Live
> > card.  And the soundfonts as well, of course.
>
> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.
>
> Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages?
>
> I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files
> (CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will
> they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them.
>
> Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload?
>

I use the awesfx package on my debian box without any problems (soundblaster 
live card).  The sound fonts that come with the soundcard are called 
2gmgsmt.sf2, 4gmgsmt.sf2 and 8mbgmsfx.sf2 which I'm sure you can find with a 
quick google. Note that using the cards wave synth under alsa drops an 
occasional note. See the alsa home page about this bug.

> timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.

I don't understand the above statement. Timidity is/has true midi. To run 
timidity as a alsa synth start up timidity like this:

timidity -Os -iA -B2,8 &

Its best to have timidity suid root so that it can use the real time 
scheduler/clock or whatever it is called.  In your application i.e. 
rosegarden or noteedit just select the timidity synth instead of the 
soundcard synth. The timidity samples are much better that the 8mb sound 
fonts that come by default with the soundblaster cards. 

R.J.P.


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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Rick Macdonald

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh said:
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load
>> "sound
>> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required
>> or
>> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists.
>>
>> What do I need to do next?
>
> You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find
> something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your
> Live
> card.  And the soundfonts as well, of course.

timidity is installed and works but I need true midi now.

Any idea why awesfx was removed from the Debian packages?

I found one on the web (awesfx_0.4.4-5_i386.deb). I found some SF2 files
(CT4MGM.SF2 CT8MGM.SF2) from my Windows machine with an SB Extigy. Will
they work? Somewhere I have the CDs from the SBLive card if I need them.

Can I mess up the SBLive card running sfxload?

...RickM...


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Re: ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load "sound
> fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required or
> not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists.
> 
> What do I need to do next?

You can either use timidity (software synthesis), or you need to find
something to upload the soundfonts to the wavetable synthesizer in your Live
card.  And the soundfonts as well, of course.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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ALSA midi SBLive - sfxload?

2004-02-09 Thread Rick Macdonald

In order to get MIDI going I upgraded to sid, updated kernel 2.4.19 to
2.4.24 and switched form the kernel sound driver to ALSA. Everything still
works (xmms can play mp3 to ALSA output, for example), but still no MIDI
sound.

lsmod shows all the modules as shown below. Playing a midi file goes
through the motions (no errors) but no sound. I unmuted and turned up the
volume on every device in alsamixer.

Searching the web and Debian site uncovered that I may need to load "sound
fonts" with sfxload, but it's not clear to me if this is still required or
not. Also, the awesfx package no longer exists.

What do I need to do next?


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used byTainted: P
snd-pcm-oss39172   0
snd-seq-midi4032   0 (autoclean)
snd-seq-oss29600   0 (autoclean)
snd-mixer-oss  13392   0 (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
snd-emu10k1-synth   4636   0
snd-emu10k174532   7 [snd-emu10k1-synth]
snd-pcm60068   0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1]
snd-hwdep   5280   0 [snd-emu10k1]
snd-page-alloc  6452   0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm]
snd-ac97-codec 47532   0 [snd-emu10k1]
snd-emux-synth 28156   0 [snd-emu10k1-synth]
snd-util-mem1264   0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-emux-synth]
snd-seq-midi-emul   5008   0 [snd-emux-synth]
snd-seq-virmidi 3288   0 [snd-emux-synth]
snd-seq-midi-event  3264   0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-virmidi]
snd-seq36784   2 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-emux-synth
snd-se
q-midi-emul snd-seq-virmidi snd-seq-midi-event]
snd-timer  14724   0 [snd-pcm snd-seq]
snd-rawmidi13504   0 [snd-seq-midi snd-emu10k1 snd-seq-virmidi]
snd-seq-device  4304   0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss
snd-emu10k1-synth snd
-emu10k1 snd-emux-synth snd-seq snd-rawmidi]
snd32004   7 [snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss
snd-mixer
-oss snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm snd-hwdep snd-ac97-codec snd-emux-synth
snd-util-mem sn
d-seq-virmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-rawmidi
snd-seq-device]
nvidia   1962496   6 (autoclean)



...RickM...


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