Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Brian]

On Mon 08 Jan 2018 at 06:59:06 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 01/08/2018 04:52 AM, Curt wrote:
> > On 2018-01-08, SDA  wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:
> > > > > could you add a support for wiko
> > > > > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus
> > > > 
> > > > Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
> > > > debian to android.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe that
> > > phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices. Worthy
> > > thought, but not reality.
> > > 
> > 
> > I was going to say a while back in yet another tangential digression
> > that the trend in personal computing (outside of the work environment,
> > at least) is toward mobile devices (notably smartphones) where Linux (as
> > an OS--yes, I see you coming from here) is virtually absent.
> > 
> 
> Are there any mobile devices [ *EXCLUDING* smartphones] in current
> production and available in the US. I know of some crowd funded projects in
> that direction. Some to "be available real soon now" ;/

Another bite at the cherry? Worth a try. :)

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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Stefan Monnier]

> ... where Linux (as an OS--yes, I see you coming from here)

We usually call it GNU/Linux,


Stefan

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/08/2018 04:52 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2018-01-08, SDA  wrote:

On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:

could you add a support for wiko
I have a wiko lenny 4 plus


Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
debian to android.



Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe that
phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices. Worthy
thought, but not reality.



I was going to say a while back in yet another tangential digression
that the trend in personal computing (outside of the work environment,
at least) is toward mobile devices (notably smartphones) where Linux (as
an OS--yes, I see you coming from here) is virtually absent.



Are there any mobile devices [ *EXCLUDING* smartphones] in current 
production and available in the US. I know of some crowd funded projects 
in that direction. Some to "be available real soon now" ;/

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Eric S Fraga]

On Monday,  8 Jan 2018 at 10:52, Curt wrote:
> I was going to say a while back in yet another tangential digression
> that the trend in personal computing (outside of the work environment,
> at least) is toward mobile devices (notably smartphones) where Linux (as
> an OS--yes, I see you coming from here) is virtually absent.

True but not completely absent.  I've been using my Pandora [1] for
several years now and am looking to upgrade to the Pyra [2] when it
comes out (this year hopefully).

The default OS on the Pandora is Linux based although not Debian;
however, you can install Debian (and other distributions) and I been
using Debian for quite some time now.  With Debian, the system looks
and behaves just like my desktop or laptop.

The Pyra will ship with Debian.


Footnotes:
[1]  https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pandora/

[2]  https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/

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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Curt]

On 2018-01-08, SDA  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:
>> > could you add a support for wiko
>> > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus
>> 
>> Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
>> debian to android.
>>
>
> Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe that 
> phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices. Worthy 
> thought, but not reality. 
>

I was going to say a while back in yet another tangential digression
that the trend in personal computing (outside of the work environment,
at least) is toward mobile devices (notably smartphones) where Linux (as
an OS--yes, I see you coming from here) is virtually absent.



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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 02:35:02AM +0100, arne wrote:

Debian should run on the Gemini PDA, an Android handhold device.
In dual boot.
It is not ready yet though.
Should be ready this month.


This is a very interesting device (and not a joke as other commenters
might have thought!) for the curious:

   https://www.planetcom.co.uk/


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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Ben Oliver]

On 18-01-08 02:35:02, arne wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:32:25 -0500
SDA  wrote:


On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:
> > could you add a support for wiko
> > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus
>
> Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
> debian to android.
>

Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe
that phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices.
Worthy thought, but not reality.



Debian should run on the Gemini PDA, an Android handhold device.
In dual boot.
It is not ready yet though.
Should be ready this month.



I am currently working on getting a wifi kettle port of Debian up and 
running. Should be done by Thursday, just need to finish soldering a 
serial port to it.

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[arne]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:32:25 -0500
SDA  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:  
> > > could you add a support for wiko
> > > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus  
> > 
> > Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
> > debian to android.
> >  
> 
> Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe
> that phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices.
> Worthy thought, but not reality. 
> 

Debian should run on the Gemini PDA, an Android handhold device.
In dual boot.
It is not ready yet though.
Should be ready this month.

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[SDA]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 12:25:50AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:
> > could you add a support for wiko
> > I have a wiko lenny 4 plus
> 
> Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
> debian to android.
>

Well, Debian does call itself the 'Universal Operating System'. Maybe that 
phrase should be rethought since it doesn't run on all devices. Worthy 
thought, but not reality. 

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[deloptes]

Anders Andersson wrote:

> Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
> debian to android.

hahaha, great comment!

don't forget to add "irony off" at the end

in the spirit of this: I would love to test your patch (irony off)

regards

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Anders Andersson]

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Samuel  wrote:
> could you add a support for wiko
> I have a wiko lenny 4 plus

Sure! Probably a small job. I'll submit a patch tomorrow to port
debian to android.

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Samuel]

  
  
could you add a support for wiko
  I have a wiko lenny 4 plus
 

  




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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Marcus Dean Adams]

To whom it may concern:

Has there been any movement on this "mobile Debian" movement?  Tried
Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 7 at one point, and although it had a decent UI,
it was poorly fleshed out.  Would love to have a regular copy of Debian
that is touch friendly to install on mobile devices so I can run my
normal desktop applications, install .deb files, run my own python
scripts, etc. on a tablet or phone instead of having to track down
alternatives for a separate mobile OS.

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Re: Proper name, more - Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones ; gre

[Miles Bader]

Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:
 Maybe something like Debian4Smartphones. SmartphoneDebian. ?

 Hum... I vote for Debianoid :-P

Debdroid?

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[Camaleón]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:11:47 -0700, giovanni_re wrote:

(...)

 I don't know that the correct name should be, but I can think of several
 _ways to analyse it_.
 
 a) Because it's best to have one name, we should avoid the main name
 being a set of names, based on the processor - a kind of naming scheme
 you (implicitly) raised.
 
 b) The descriptive naming convention would compell something like
 DfACHP, but that is a rather clunky name.  That name is rather
 unpronouncable, which is why I first suggested the acronym name without
 the C, DfAHP.  But, that's still a clunky name.
 
 c) WWSJNI?  [What Would Steve Jobs Name It?] - That would be the catchy,
 marketing oriented name.  Also, that might be like what Ubuntu might
 name something.
 
 Maybe something like Debian4Smartphones. SmartphoneDebian. ?

Hum... I vote for Debianoid :-P
 
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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

 On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:45:33 +0100
 Mirco Piccin pic...@gmail.com wrote:

  What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?
 
 it seems there's already something like that:
 http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=viewcatid=9id=251

How about the telephone feature in that case?

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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[shawn wilson]

On Mar 24, 2011 12:57 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@bbs.mg wrote:

  On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:45:33 +0100
  Mirco Piccin pic...@gmail.com wrote:

   What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?
 
  it seems there's already something like that:
 
http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=viewcatid=9id=251

 How about the telephone feature in that case?


The 'telephone feature' requires a number of other things first:
1. Boot
2. Kernel
3. Drivers (kb, video, sound, radio)
4. Interface (GUI, CLI, whatever)

Now, I'm not sure what the radio hardware generally handles vs the driver.
It's completely possible that that radio driver needs to pretty Mich have a
full network stack and do a handshake, encryption, qos, etc. I don't think
so but I just don't know. Point is, I think making and receiving calls
pretty much comes last here.

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[Lisi]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 00:45:26 Nate Bargmann wrote:
 Phony Debian?

 Runs, ducks, and does the bob and weave out of this thread!

:-)

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[Leonardo Ruoso]

2011/3/22 giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us

 Excellent infos, Shawn!!   :)  (You get 2 exclamation points.)


I'm not sure how http://www.emdebian.org/ is related to Debian because it's
neither embedded.debian.org or debian.org/embedded... anyway...

Is it related to your thoughts about smartphones running Debian?

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[giovanni_re]

Hi Nate :)

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:45:26 -0500, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us said:
 Phony Debian?

H.  . . .

't's got a nice ring to it.


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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello giovanni_re,

Am 2011-03-21 14:16:20, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.

:-D

 My motivation:  
 I got an Android capable smartphone/computer a few months ago. - Samsung
 Intercept, Virgin Mobil, $200, $25/month includes unlimited internet.

Hehehe...

I  have  a  Samsung Galaxy Tab P1000 - 16 GByte,  dis-satisfait   with
Android 2.2 and building 3.0 is the last nightmare. I have the 2.6 GByte
Android-Stuff downloaded.

It would be realy nice, if we could get Debian runing on it.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Leonardo Ruoso,

Am 2011-03-23 17:13:16, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 I'm not sure how http://www.emdebian.org/ is related to Debian because it's
 neither embedded.debian.org or debian.org/embedded... anyway...

EmDebian = Debian

...but packages (mainly from ARM) are heavyly striped down.

Byside the normal EmDebian, which has anything removed  which  is  not
neccesary to run Debian on a small Embedded Device there are  two  other
versions Grip and Crunch

 Is it related to your thoughts about smartphones running Debian?

I have runing EmDebian on a Nokia Smartphone...  But without proper JTAG
adaptor (under the SIM card) you will never get  another  OS  on  it  as
Symbian S60...

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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[giovanni_re]

Hi Michelle :)

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:54:15 +0100, Michelle Konzack
linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net said:
 Am 2011-03-23 17:13:16, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
  I'm not sure how http://www.emdebian.org/ is related to Debian because it's
  neither embedded.debian.org or debian.org/embedded... anyway...
 
 EmDebian = Debian
 
 ...but packages (mainly from ARM) are heavyly striped down.
 
 Byside the normal EmDebian, which has anything removed  which  is  not
 neccesary to run Debian on a small Embedded Device there are  two  other
 versions Grip and Crunch
 
  Is it related to your thoughts about smartphones running Debian?
 
 I have runing EmDebian on a Nokia Smartphone...  But without proper JTAG
 adaptor (under the SIM card) you will never get  another  OS  on  it  as
 Symbian S60...


Michelle - In what ways, if any, could emdebian be something that might
be a component of, or contribute to, Phony Debian - (The Debian
SubDistro for smart phone hardware)?

Could it be a starting point for the Phony Debian project?

Or, might the starting point be something more basic, like first getting
some kind of installer working?

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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Jon Dowland]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:08:48PM -0700, giovanni_re wrote:
 Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones
 
 
 DfAHP - I kinda like that. Has a nice ring to it.
 
 DDfAHP?
 DfACHP?
 DDfACHP?

Just Debian: It's the universal OS.  It doesn't need a different name for
every architecture :-)


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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[David Sastre]

2011/3/22, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org:
 On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:08:48PM -0700, giovanni_re wrote:
 Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones

What about Maemo and MeeGo?
Those projects more than probably have done most of the work you'd
need to run Debian in a smartphone.


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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[shawn wilson]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:55 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM, giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us wrote:

 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.

 What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?

 1) Talk about how to do it on this email list.
 2) Put something on www.debian.org web page about beginning to work on
 this project.
 3) Create a mailing list for Debian for Android Hw.
 4) Send some thoughts in reply to this email,  to the new mailing list.
 5) Make a wiki page for Debian distro for Android capable hardware
 phones.
- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds


 first, nice research. i'd like a hardware linux kernel on a phone because
 i don't like java and i'd love to get these devices to do cool things (these
 are great, cheap little computers that i can almost afford to throw around).

 so, here's where i'd go:
 boot loader - someone put android on an iphone a while ago. you should go
 look at that code and figure out how it should be modified. android based
 hardware should be more open (just because of the type of community).
 however, it might be possible to bypass this step and use the android boot
 loader or something someone else has programmed to load roms - donno.
 kernel - you're going to need to figure out the differences between kernel
 options between the upstream linux and android. then figure what you need
 for your linux and what you just can't have because of the hardware.
 drivers - you'll probably want to start out with just the wifi driver. that
 way you could get in with ssh and see what you have. after this, a video
 driver would be very useful. then you might want a bluetooth network and
 stack along with a keyboard driver. etc
 applications - if you want to use this for more than a tethered box (this
 is beyond my use case) you'll need some apps. i don't know how far gtk or qt
 (or tk) have gotten with touch screen pointers and gesture. however,
 assuming they have, you'll need an on screen keyboard (shouldn't be too
 hard). then you'll need to customize your apps - you're not going to want
 your web browser to pop up with an inch worth of toolbar crap for instance.

 oh yeah, forgot to mention that you'll probably have to recompile
libraries.

however, you probably just want to start with a popular processor and go
from there. i couldn't find much about putting linux on devices with the
snapdragon processor (which sucks because i want this on older phones i can
get for $100), but. nvidia does have this:
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/news/linux-tegra-released
(and this is why i love nvidia stuff)

... this is why you're not going to get an 'android debian' - you're going
to get a 'nvidia tegra debian', a 'qualcomm snapdragon debian', an 'apple a4
debian', etc. your boot loader is likely to be different based on
architecture, library binaries will have to be recompiled, and you'll need
different drivers based on hardware (most of which will probably require
some pretty complex reverse engineering as i don't think these people are
that open about their hardware).

so, my suggestion: read through that nvidia stuff or do more research on
boot loaders for mobile devices. find some smart people over at xda and the
iphone dev team (the processes for doing this are likely to be quite
similar). also, start looking for old android phones on craigslist or in
your newspaper. you're going to need them. you'll probably brick a few in
this process (you might figure out how to recover them, but...). oh and, i'd
strongly recommend against just trying to throw things at your primary
phone. you're probably going to end up dropping at least a grand on this
project (but you'll end up with a bunch of old - and possibly bricked -
phones :) ).

and, let us (me) know what you find. this might be an interesting thing to
do, but i'd want to know what's involved in order to get linux booting
first. ie, this might be above my head and i'd like to know a bit more
before i spend time and money (i'm not doing this to my evo) on this
process.

ps - i could be wrong with the boot loader, it might be as simple as
compiling a kernel, boot strapping the libraries, and shoving it into a
squashfs rom image. in which case, you should only need one spare device
until you start programming drivers and write a register that you shouldn't
have (hehe, fun).

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[giovanni_re]

Excellent infos, Shawn!!   :)  (You get 2 exclamation points.)

I'm just gonna make a quick reply right here, to both your messages,
cause they are great  deserve a prompt reply,  cause I'm short on time
right now.

1)  Your comment (quoted immediately below), from your second email, is
probably the immediate most important point, because it is the
foundation for the name of this Debian sub distro.

I knew Android Debian was the _wrong_ name for this, before I even
started writing my original post.  But, I used that because Android
needs to be the first word of that subject line (the first post about
creating this Debian sub project) - that's what people will search for
to find that email.

That's why I immediately followed the lead in  Android Debian  with a
short description of what that really implies:  Debian for Android hw
phones

Crucially, Debian _on top of_ Android is _not_ what I'm ( the Debian
community should be) interested in.

The key concept is Debian on top of  _the smartphone hw which runs
Android, ( hence the Linux kernel), software_ .


But, exactly as you say, there will be actual sw for the different
processors, which presents a possible processor-based naming scheme.


As I replied to Mirco,  Jon Dowland commented on:

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:08:48PM -0700, giovanni_re wrote:
  Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones
  
  
  DfAHP - I kinda like that. Has a nice ring to it.
  
  DDfAHP?
  DfACHP?
  DDfACHP?
Just Debian: It's the universal OS.  It doesn't need a different name
for
every architecture :-)


merely Debian is the proper super-name for the DfACHP project.

But, the sub-project does need its own name, so that people have a
useful name to refer to that sub-project of Debian.


I don't know that the correct name should be, but I can think of several
_ways to analyse it_.

a) Because it's best to have one name, we should avoid the main name
being a set of names, based on the processor - a kind of naming scheme
you (implicitly) raised.

b) The descriptive naming convention would compell something like
DfACHP, but that is a rather clunky name.  That name is rather
unpronouncable, which is why I first suggested the acronym name without
the C, DfAHP.  But, that's still a clunky name.

c) WWSJNI?  [What Would Steve Jobs Name It?] - That would be the catchy,
marketing oriented name.  Also, that might be like what Ubuntu might
name something.

Maybe something like Debian4Smartphones. SmartphoneDebian. ?



Shawn, here's your comment I'm referring to, from your second message:

 oh yeah, forgot to mention that you'll probably have to recompile
 libraries.
 
 however, you probably just want to start with a popular processor and go
 from there. i couldn't find much about putting linux on devices with the
 snapdragon processor (which sucks because i want this on older phones i
 can
 get for $100), but. nvidia does have this:
 http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/news/linux-tegra-released
 (and this is why i love nvidia stuff)
 
 ... this is why you're not going to get an 'android debian' - you're
 going
 to get a 'nvidia tegra debian', a 'qualcomm snapdragon debian', an 'apple
 a4
 debian', etc.

Great info, Shawn! :)




On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:55 -0400, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM, giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us wrote:
 
  Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.
 
  What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?
 
  1) Talk about how to do it on this email list.
...
 
 
  first, nice research.

Thanks :)


 i'd like a hardware linux kernel on a phone because i
 don't like java and i'd love to get these devices to do cool things
 (these
 are great, cheap little computers that i can almost afford to throw
 around).

Exactly. :)

 
 so, here's where i'd go:
 boot loader - someone put android on an iphone a while ago. you should go
...

Shawn - lots of great technical details  suggestions  info in both
your messages  :)   , which I want to reply to, ( hope others will pick
up those ideas  run with them), but can't afford the time right now.

Let's keep this moving forward!  :)

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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Mirco Piccin]

hi,

 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.

 What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?

it seems there's already something like that:
http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=viewcatid=9id=251

Here are instructions about running X-Windows and more specifically the LXDE
Desktop GUI on the G-1 Android Phone (of course, it works also in other
smartphone..).
http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Android

Regards
M

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[giovanni_re]

Thanks for your pointers, Mirco :)

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:45 +0100, Mirco Piccin pic...@gmail.com
wrote:
 hi,
 
  Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.
 
  What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?
 
 it seems there's already something like that:
 http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=viewcatid=9id=251

Debian on Android installer released.  2 Years, 2 Months ago

UPDATED AGAIN !!! - 17th Jan 2009
NOTE: Contrary to some opinion, this process DOES NOT REPLACE your
android os, your device still functions as it did before


Point: it was something, but is 2 yrs old,  isn't what I'm suggesting:
the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones


 
 Here are instructions about running X-Windows and more specifically the
 LXDE
 Desktop GUI on the G-1 Android Phone (of course, it works also in other
 smartphone..).
 http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Android

Welcome to the LXDE Wiki
LXDE is a faster and less resource hungry
free and open source desktop environment.
The wiki has 108 articles so far.

First released  2006
Latest preview version 0.3.2.1
Release date and age 2009-01-26 

Well, this looks like a possible good starting place for more
development of the DfAHP -
Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones


DfAHP - I kinda like that. Has a nice ring to it.

DDfAHP?
DfACHP?
DDfACHP?


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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[Scott Ferguson]

On 22/03/11 08:16, giovanni_re wrote:
 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.
 

Please excuse my ignorance but, doesn't Debian already install to mobile
phones?

 What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?

1. Read the documentation for the existing distro?
2. Send me a phone? (please)
3. Identify the areas you want improvements on and make useful
contributions (money, hardware, documentation, testing, coding etc.)

 
 1) Talk about how to do it on this email list.
 2) Put something on www.debian.org web page about beginning to work on
 this project.
 3) Create a mailing list for Debian for Android Hw.

Small semantic point - Android is Google's OS. Android != hardware.


 4) Send some thoughts in reply to this email,  to the new mailing list.
 5) Make a wiki page for Debian distro for Android capable hardware
 phones.
 - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds
 
 =
 My motivation:  
 I'd just like to have a KUbuntu version. 

Then perhaps you should post to *Ubuntu* instead of cross-posting to
various Debian lists, and forums, for the last 4 months.

 
 
 =
 Ok, well, there you are, folks.  I've done my initial part for the
 project - suggest it get started.  So, can some interested Debian
 individuals please now step it another step forward?
 
 Thanks for all the great Debian stuff!  :)
 
 
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Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[shawn wilson]

I knew it! 10 years later, zipslack on my phone. Sweet!
On Mar 21, 2011 5:46 PM, Mirco Piccin pic...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,

 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.

 What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?

 it seems there's already something like that:

http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=viewcatid=9id=251

 Here are instructions about running X-Windows and more specifically the
LXDE
 Desktop GUI on the G-1 Android Phone (of course, it works also in other
 smartphone..).
 http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Android

 Regards
 M

Re: Android Debian - Lets start Debian for Android hw phones

[shawn wilson]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM, giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us wrote:

 Let's start the Debian distro for Android capable hardware phones.

 What are the first steps we can easily take, to get started on this?

 1) Talk about how to do it on this email list.
 2) Put something on www.debian.org web page about beginning to work on
 this project.
 3) Create a mailing list for Debian for Android Hw.
 4) Send some thoughts in reply to this email,  to the new mailing list.
 5) Make a wiki page for Debian distro for Android capable hardware
 phones.
- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds


 first, nice research. i'd like a hardware linux kernel on a phone because i
don't like java and i'd love to get these devices to do cool things (these
are great, cheap little computers that i can almost afford to throw around).

so, here's where i'd go:
boot loader - someone put android on an iphone a while ago. you should go
look at that code and figure out how it should be modified. android based
hardware should be more open (just because of the type of community).
however, it might be possible to bypass this step and use the android boot
loader or something someone else has programmed to load roms - donno.
kernel - you're going to need to figure out the differences between kernel
options between the upstream linux and android. then figure what you need
for your linux and what you just can't have because of the hardware.
drivers - you'll probably want to start out with just the wifi driver. that
way you could get in with ssh and see what you have. after this, a video
driver would be very useful. then you might want a bluetooth network and
stack along with a keyboard driver. etc
applications - if you want to use this for more than a tethered box (this is
beyond my use case) you'll need some apps. i don't know how far gtk or qt
(or tk) have gotten with touch screen pointers and gesture. however,
assuming they have, you'll need an on screen keyboard (shouldn't be too
hard). then you'll need to customize your apps - you're not going to want
your web browser to pop up with an inch worth of toolbar crap for instance.

now, i know i can probably help with the application stuff. i might be able
to figure out some driver programming. however, i'd be completely lost at
the boot loader level (i don't speak asm).