Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:16:15 -0400, Antonio Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj, btw, as an insider, how broken is sid as of now? I run Sid, and the breakage due to C++ transition seems to be mostly behind me -- but I never was much out of sync. Upgrades from Sarge may still be interesting. manoj -- Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:29:20 -0600, Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image Manoj - I've switched from --revision= to --append-to-version because new kernels of the same version don't clash module directories. It seems much better to me. Do you still prefer --revision for some reason? I use append-to-version when compiling a new image of the same version, though recently the speed at which kernels are released (2.6.11.5, fer gawds sake) exceeds the rate at which I rebuild my kernels, so I rarely have to. manoj -- Life is a grand adventure -- or it is nothing. Helen Keller Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:15:15PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to be running Sid? manoj Manoj, btw, as an insider, how broken is sid as of now? I'm waiting for some unstable stability before I go back to it (Im sorry, if all did this, the mantainers would loose many bug reporters, but for what I am doing, that was too much unstability) Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
Manoj Srivastava wrote: 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image Manoj - I've switched from --revision= to --append-to-version because new kernels of the same version don't clash module directories. It seems much better to me. Do you still prefer --revision for some reason? ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:05:47 -0400, David R Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that. It seems ridiculously elaborate. Phase ONE: Getting and configuring the kernel 1% cd kernel source tree (make sure you have write permission there) 2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig (or, for 2.6.x kernels, make gconfig) and configure Phase TWO: Create a portable kernel image .deb file 3% make-kpkg clean 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image (Get_Root is whatever you need to become root -- fakeroot or sudo are examples that come to mind). NOTE: if you have instructed your boot loader to expect initrd kernels (which is the norm for recent official kernel image packages) you need to add --initrd to the line above. % $Get_Root make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image Personally, I prefer non initrd images for my personal machines, since then adding third party modules to the machine has fewer gotchas Phase THREE: Install the kernel image on one or more machines 5# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_arch.deb With the addition of fakeroot ( a really nice program, I recommend it). Steps 1 to 4 can be carried out as a non root user. Step 5 does require root privileges. If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to be running Sid? manoj -- A guy has to get fresh once in a while so a girl doesn't lose her confidence. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to be running Sid? A good question: Allow me to answer: (In no particular order)I want all the latest, most up-to-date soft-ware.If ever I can help report bugs (which I have been known to do) then that is a nice thing to do. One of the reasons I switched to Linux was so that I could really learn how a computer works. So, having Sid (which is inherently un-stable) may mean I need to get in to the Nitty-gritty of my computer. Which can often be a good thing: I love to learn. But, as it turns out, I do not need to create a Kernel-Image: An Official Debian one already exists. It simply had a bit of a Name Change, you see, which I did not know about.But, thank you for your information: It's always useful to have different options, yes? May you find Water and Shade this day.
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Wednesday 17 August 2005 21:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:05:47 -0400, David R Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that. It seems ridiculously elaborate. Phase ONE: Getting and configuring the kernel 1% cd kernel source tree (make sure you have write permission there) 2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig (or, for 2.6.x kernels, make gconfig) and configure Phase TWO: Create a portable kernel image .deb file 3% make-kpkg clean 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image (Get_Root is whatever you need to become root -- fakeroot or sudo are examples that come to mind). NOTE: if you have instructed your boot loader to expect initrd kernels (which is the norm for recent official kernel image packages) you need to add --initrd to the line above. % $Get_Root make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image Personally, I prefer non initrd images for my personal machines, since then adding third party modules to the machine has fewer gotchas Phase THREE: Install the kernel image on one or more machines 5# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_arch.deb With the addition of fakeroot ( a really nice program, I recommend it). Steps 1 to 4 can be carried out as a non root user. Step 5 does require root privileges. If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to be running Sid? Indeed, let's compare it to the standard linux way: !. Get kernel source, make configure, make menuconfig 2. make all 3. make_modules 4. make_modules install 5. mv /boot/vmlunuz /boot/vmlunuz, cp /usr/src/linux/arch(i386)/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlunuz 6.mv /boot/System.map /boot/System.map cp //usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map 7. edit /boot/grup/menu.lst or /boot/lilo.conf? to reflect the new kernel. as you can see, kernel-package is MUCH more complex requiring less steps and far less editing. Please read /usr/share/kernel-package/README (it is compressed untill you extract it) That is the single best kernel howto I have ever read. manoj -- A guy has to get fresh once in a while so a girl doesn't lose her confidence. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel (SOLVED)
It seems that there is no lack of Documentation and Good Support for those wishing to fiddle with their Kernels: Specifically, create a Kernel-Image.However, I no longer have this problem: I discovered that Debian has simply changed the name of the Kernel-Images to Linux-Images. Mystery Solved and thanks for all of the Information!
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
David R. Litwin wrote: I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that. It seems ridiculously elaborate. I see in another posting that you solved your problem. But to address the above see this documentation. Because really it is not that hard and the kenrel-package makes this all quite easy. http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
I see in another posting that you solved your problem. But to address the above see this documentation. Because really it is not that hard and the kenrel-package makes this all quite easy. http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html Yes, it has been mostly solved (though some thing else has cropped up.). Concerning the documentation link you gave me, that is precisly what I had read and commented on: It makes it seem like it is increadilbly complex, despite its saying to the contrary. But, I muight as well ask: The following packages have been kept back: arts (1.4.1-1 = 1.4.2-2) libtunepimp-bin (0.3.0-3 = 0.3.0-7) When I apt-get install arts, it want libarts1c2 which wants libqt3-mt which deletes 244 packages (KDE). Now, I know that the Debian developers are changing KDE to be c++ oriented (or some thing like that) and are changing the packages of Qt to ...c2. I installed KDE 3.4.1 from Alioth which doesn't have the c2. So, how do I rectify this situation? (There was some thing else, but I can not recall.) Thank you Kindly in advance.
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On 16/08/05, David R. Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I apt-get install arts, it want libarts1c2 which wants libqt3-mt which deletes 244 packages (KDE). Now, I know that the Debian developers are changing KDE to be c++ oriented (or some thing like that) and are changing the packages of Qt to ...c2. I installed KDE 3.4.1 from Alioth which doesn't have the c2. So, how do I rectify this situation? As you expect KDE is going through the C++ ABI transition, see the following email from the KDE maintainers http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg01044.html They essentially say that if you want a working KDE system, to hold any KDE updates until they send an email round saying the transition is done. Cheers Adam
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:05:47AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote: I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that. It seems ridiculously elaborate. Well if you aren't fussed about fine-tuning the configuration, it's a six-liner: obtain and unpack kernel sources /usr/src$ wget ... /usr/src$ tar -xzf ... /usr/src$ cd ... copy in existing config /usr/src/...$ cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config build /usr/src/...$ fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version initials kernel-image install /usr/src# dpkg -i kernel-image*initials*deb -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ FD35 0B0A C6DD 5D91 DB7A 83D1 168B 4E71 7032 F238 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
My problem is (possibly) three-fold: I dist-upgraded to Sid a few hours ago and haven't fully installed it because udev can not be installed with the 2.6.11 kernel. So, I need the 2.6.12 kernel, but it isn't a kernel-image. So, I must make one myself, which I am quite willing to do. However, apt-get refuses to do any thing until the udev situation is resolved. And, trying to make my own kernel image require many (many) packages which requires apt-get (to do it via dpkg -i would take a blasted long time indeed). So, I should like to know what I should to do. If I force udev to install with the 2.6.11 kernel, create a 2.6.12 kernel-image, install this, will udev automatically fix itself to work with the 2.6.12 kernel? If not, what should I do? I thank you kindly in advance.
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
David R. Litwin wrote: My problem is (possibly) three-fold: I dist-upgraded to Sid a few hours ago and haven't fully installed it because udev can not be installed with the 2.6.11 kernel. So, I need the 2.6.12 kernel, but it isn't a kernel-image. So, I must make one myself, which I am quite willing to do. However, apt-get refuses to do any thing until the udev situation is resolved. And, trying to make my own kernel image require many (many) packages which requires apt-get (to do it via dpkg -i would take a blasted long time indeed). So, I should like to know what I should to do. If I force udev to install with the 2.6.11 kernel, create a 2.6.12 kernel-image, install this, will udev automatically fix itself to work with the 2.6.12 kernel? If not, what should I do? I thank you kindly in advance. kernel-image was renamed to linux-kernel to accommodate for hurd and other kernels in near future. apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.12-1 apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that. It seems ridiculously elaborate. So, let's try this again. I still have the problem I wrote of (namely udev needing a 2.6.12 kernel and I have only a 2.6.11 kernel so apt-get doesn't work presently) but I really don't feel like making a Kernel-Image. So, A: are there any other alternatives? or B: When will there be a nice kernel-image-2.6.12-i686.deb package that I can use either apt-get or dpkg -i (the latter if the apt-get situation isn't resolved) to install? I thank you kindly in advance.
Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel
kernel-image was renamed to linux-kernel to accommodate for hurd and other kernels in near future. So it was! That would explain why when I searched in the Packages I found linux-kernel and not kernel-image. I thank you kindly! I will try to dpkg -i and hopefully all shall go well.
