Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
Nathan == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathan Hmm, I'll regret saying this forever I bet :) Many lists like Nathan this one have an FAQ that gets posted semi-frequently. Nathan Anyone ever attempted this? Are there good reasons for this Nathan NOT to happen? Otherwise, we should accumulate FAQ type Nathan questions (and yes, i would consider doing this. Only because Nathan I opened my mouth, not because I know all the answers) I agree that debian documentation should become more accessible, but I'm not sure if a faq posted to the mailing list regularly is near enough. However, the faq is very useful, and it (or something even more useful like the Debian User's Guide, whenever it is completed) deserves to be made more accessible. One good place to find the debian faq or user's guide in addition to the mailing list would be to have it included in the debian menu system..perhaps a tk or lynx interface (something simple) ? A lot of the /usr/doc files are likewise afflicted, and would also benefit by being made more accessible..perhaps whatever interface the debian document menu system uses to access the faq or user's guide could be setup with a link to the other /usr/doc files? Additionally, a list archive search tool would serve to augment the faq and user's guide by dynamically providing the most up to date solutions, reducing the volume of the list, the load on those who answer the questions, and with debian posed to strike at a broader market share, a search engine would serve to aid and abed new debians by providing good as mailing list support without having to correctly enter the request or wait for the correct response; particularly important to new debians who are intimidated, frustrated, or overwhelmed, but also invaluable for mission critical debians, as well as debians who wants to find the response to that question they vaguely remember skimming last week sometime. Doh! :-) David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
BS in rxvt+ncurses
Hi, I've already asked this, and I'm sure someone must be having the same problem... No matter how I set the backspace in X11, it won't work under rxvt + some ncurses program, for example, pine. At some point the entry in /etc/terminfo/r/rxvt was changed, and the backspace stopped working. The change isn't documented in the Debian changelog, it just says Munged rxvt entry a bit more, and also makes reference to an update to the terminfo database... xterm does work, and infocmp says: comparing rxvt to xterm. comparing booleans. comparing numbers. colors: -1:8. pairs: -1:64. comparing strings. hpa: NULL, '\E[%i%p1%dG'. kend: '\E[4~', '\E[F'. khome: '\E[1~', '\E[H'. kmous: NULL, '\E[M'. vpa: NULL, '\E[%i%p1%dd'. I don't see anything relevant here. There are far more differences between the entry that worked and the one that doesn't. I have: ii ncurses-base1.9.9g-6 ii rxvt2.20-8 The only thing I see that may be relevant is that xterm does use libncurses and rxvt doesn't. I don't think rxvt is broken... it worked before... the problem is, I don't know before what. Also, I don't want to blindy move the old entry over the new one, because I see there are other differences between them and some of them are indeed good. Thank you very much in advance (I mean it, this is getting annoying) Marcelo Magallón -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
I've been having all sorts of horrible troubles with rxvt. Every time I think I've got it working, something else goes wrong. At the moment, the problem seems to be that under rxvt, ncurses interprets backspace as KEY_DC, i.e. delete. This is because hitting backspace is sending ASCII 127, which is indeed delete. If you want to fix things quickly yourself, take the current rxvt entry, change kbs to \177, and change kdch1 to \E[3~. That should do it. I'll have this fixed in ncurses 1.9.9g-7...sigh... --Galen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
Marcelo E. Magallón wrote: Hi, I've already asked this, and I'm sure someone must be having the same problem... No matter how I set the backspace in X11, it won't work under rxvt + some ncurses program, for example, pine. At some point the entry in /etc/terminfo/r/rxvt was changed, and the backspace stopped working. The change isn't documented in the Debian changelog, it just says Munged rxvt entry a bit more, and also makes reference to an update to the terminfo database... xterm does work, and infocmp says: comparing rxvt to xterm. comparing booleans. comparing numbers. colors: -1:8. pairs: -1:64. comparing strings. hpa: NULL, '\E[%i%p1%dG'. kend: '\E[4~', '\E[F'. khome: '\E[1~', '\E[H'. kmous: NULL, '\E[M'. vpa: NULL, '\E[%i%p1%dd'. I don't see anything relevant here. There are far more differences between the entry that worked and the one that doesn't. I have: ii ncurses-base1.9.9g-6 ii rxvt2.20-8 The only thing I see that may be relevant is that xterm does use libncurses and rxvt doesn't. I don't think rxvt is broken... it worked before... the problem is, I don't know before what. Also, I don't want to blindy move the old entry over the new one, because I see there are other differences between them and some of them are indeed good. Thank you very much in advance (I mean it, this is getting annoying) Marcelo Magallón Man, this problem has come up on this list how many times now? Hoow! (I'm not frustrated at you Marcelo.) Isn't it time we had a decent search engine on the debian-user archives or some help database that people could look into? Anyway Marcelo, add this to your ~/.Xresources file (and make sure that you have 'allow-user-resources' in /etc/X11/config). Rxvt.keysym.0x: \b If that doesn't work let me know, but it solved the problem for me and many others. This is better than switch your whole X keymap. -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Jens, I know just the right guy to do this...our soon to be departed project leader. Didn't he mention doing something similar as part of his life-after-project-leader? Something about taking service calls and stripping out company details, then providing that back to the Debian community. Maybe he can start procticing on the Debian-user archives :-) kevin On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Man, this problem has come up on this list how many times now? Hoow! (I'm not frustrated at you Marcelo.) Isn't it time we had a decent search engine on the debian-user archives or some help database that people could look into? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: [ problem snipped ] : : Man, this problem has come up on this list how many times now? : Hoow! (I'm not frustrated at you Marcelo.) Isn't it time we : had a decent search engine on the debian-user archives or some help : database that people could look into? : : Anyway Marcelo, add this to your ~/.Xresources file (and make sure : that you have 'allow-user-resources' in /etc/X11/config). : : Rxvt.keysym.0x: \b : : If that doesn't work let me know, but it solved the problem for me : and many others. This is better than switch your whole X keymap. : : -- : Jens B. Jorgensen : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Hmm, I'll regret saying this forever I bet :) Many lists like this one have an FAQ that gets posted semi-frequently. Anyone ever attempted this? Are there good reasons for this NOT to happen? Otherwise, we should accumulate FAQ type questions (and yes, i would consider doing this. Only because I opened my mouth, not because I know all the answers) rxvt, shadow passwords vs. xdm, ppp configs, cd-rom device names ... a few others come to mind -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
Hi, Nathan == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathan Hmm, I'll regret saying this forever I bet :) Many lists like Nathan this one have an FAQ that gets posted semi-frequently. Nathan Anyone ever attempted this? Are there good reasons for this Nathan NOT to happen? Otherwise, we should accumulate FAQ type Nathan questions (and yes, i would consider doing this. Only because Nathan I opened my mouth, not because I know all the answers) I have /usr/doc/debian/FAQ/, which has a Debian FAQ in text and HTML formats. The document says: __ The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ Susan G. Kleinmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Sven Rudolph ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and Joost Witteveen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 01 May 1997 [...] 1. Meta-questions [...] 1.2. Where do I get the latest version of this document? The latest version of this document can be viewed in HTML format at the Debian home page ( http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ ) . It is also available in HTML, PostScript, GNU info and plain text format at the Debian FTP Server ( ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ ) and any of its mirrors ( http://www.debian.org/ftplist.html ) in the directory doc/FAQ/. The original SGML files used to create this document are available in debian-doc's source package. The linuxdoc-sgml package contains tools to transform this document into one or more other formats, as required by the user: GNU info files, HTML, LaTeX, TeX .dvi format, and PostScript. __ I'm sure they'd appreciate any help collating additional data. manoj -- interlard - vt., to intersperse; diversify Webster's New World Dictionary Of The American Language Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
On 5 Dec 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: : Hi, : Nathan == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Nathan Hmm, I'll regret saying this forever I bet :) Many lists like : Nathan this one have an FAQ that gets posted semi-frequently. : Nathan Anyone ever attempted this? Are there good reasons for this : Nathan NOT to happen? Otherwise, we should accumulate FAQ type : Nathan questions (and yes, i would consider doing this. Only because : Nathan I opened my mouth, not because I know all the answers) : : I have /usr/doc/debian/FAQ/, which has a Debian FAQ in text : and HTML formats. The document says: : : __ : The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ : : Susan G. Kleinmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Sven Rudolph ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), : and Joost Witteveen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) : : 01 May 1997 : [...] : 1. Meta-questions : : [...] : : 1.2. Where do I get the latest version of this document? : : The latest version of this document can be viewed in HTML format at the : Debian home page ( http://www.debian.org/FAQ/ ) . : : It is also available in HTML, PostScript, GNU info and plain text format : at the Debian FTP Server ( ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ ) and any of its : mirrors ( http://www.debian.org/ftplist.html ) in the directory doc/FAQ/. : : The original SGML files used to create this document are available in : debian-doc's source package. The linuxdoc-sgml package contains tools to : transform this document into one or more other formats, as required by the : user: GNU info files, HTML, LaTeX, TeX .dvi format, and PostScript. : : __ : : : I'm sure they'd appreciate any help collating additional : data. : : manoj : -- : interlard - vt., to intersperse; diversify Webster's New World : Dictionary Of The American Language : Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ : Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E Umhmm, sure, it's a nice document. Sometimes helpful, too, assuming one can find the latest version. However, checking www.us.debian.org just now, and pulling up the Debian FAQ yields 28 December 1996. Nowhere near as fresh as your 01 May 1997. I know it's from the package ... but let's face it, the deb package containing the FAQ isn't real useful to someone pondering/attempting a fresh Debian install. I guess my point was this: would it be helpful to either post that document to this list periodically (or at least to the newsgroup), and/or periodically post a message stating The newest Debian FAQ can be found at http:// , The Debian Project has scads of cool goodies at http:// , etc. as the problem seems to be a lack of knowledge as to where such information may be obtained. Note: I am not attempting to demean the work performed on this (or any other) item of Debian documentation. And while I'm certainly not old hat with Debian, I've been on this list long enough to see some changes in the types of questions being asked, etc. So my concern is access to existing information more than quality of existing information. My apologies to anyone who misunderstood this. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
Hi, Nathan == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathan Hmm, I'll regret saying this forever I bet :) Many lists like Nathan this one have an FAQ that gets posted semi-frequently. Nathan Anyone ever attempted this? Are there good reasons for this Nathan NOT to happen? Otherwise, we should accumulate FAQ type Nathan questions (and yes, i would consider doing this. Only because Nathan I opened my mouth, not because I know all the answers) Manoj [Points out the debian FAQ] Nathan Umhmm, sure, it's a nice document. Sometimes helpful, too, Nathan assuming one can find the latest version. However, checking Nathan www.us.debian.org just now, and pulling up the Debian FAQ Nathan yields 28 December 1996. Nowhere near as fresh as your 01 Nathan May 1997. I know it's from the package ... but let's face Nathan it, the deb package containing the FAQ isn't real useful to Nathan someone pondering/attempting a fresh Debian install. Touché. (or is it Touchè?) Nathan I guess my point was this: would it be helpful to either post Nathan that document to this list periodically (or at least to the Nathan newsgroup), and/or periodically post a message stating The Nathan newest Debian FAQ can be found at http:// , The Debian Nathan Project has scads of cool goodies at http:// , etc. as the Nathan problem seems to be a lack of knowledge as to where such Nathan information may be obtained. I think that would be useful. Also useful might be a kind soul who could look through the archive of the debian-user mailing list and cull frequently asked questions and answers; and see if the FAQ needs to be updated. I'm sure that the FAQ maintainers would appreciate all help in this regard, and this maybe a cool way of helping the project. manoj -- The Tempter masters the lazy and irresolute man who dwells on the attractive side of things, ungoverned in his senses, and unrestrained in his food, like the wind overcomes a rotten tree. 7 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
