Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 03:58:54PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:17 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:26:47PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P I had to work with servers runing openSUSE for a few years and I beg to differ. I prefer any Debian flavour over openSuse. Any Debian flavour... you mean you prefer Ubuntu over openSUSE for a server? Wow... can you expand that POV? Well, package management on OpenSuse was a pain in the neck. Just to mention two points: * It was a HPC-cluster that I was administrating. Normal updating of packages was a lot slower than on Debian servers. * The availability of specialised packages was also a pain. Many times we had to build packages specially that was not available in the normal repositories while on Debian Servers I could only do 'apt-get install' I do not like Ubuntu very much. I use Debian on desktop and on servers. My experience of rpm-based systems (I also worked with Redhat many years ago) was never pleasant. That is the main reason for my remark above. Regards Johann -- Johann SpiesTelefoon: 021-808 4699 Databestuurder / Data manager Sentrum vir Navorsing oor Evaluasie, Wetenskap en Tegnologie Centre for Research on Evaluation, Science and Technology Universiteit Stellenbosch. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.Philippians 4:19 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110811071205.gc29...@sun.ac.za
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/11/2011 2:12 AM, Johann Spies wrote: * It was a HPC-cluster that I was administrating. Normal updating of packages was a lot slower than on Debian servers. Cluster nodes should be booting via bootp or PXE, and NFS mounts, and their IP addresses and hostnames assigned statically via DHCP so they're sticky to the same node on each boot. You have a single NFS directory containing the root filesystem which each node mounts read only. System daemons that require writing are redirected to NFS mounts or remote facilities (i.e. syslog). Since these are compute nodes, pretty much all daemons are disabled anyway. Now, with such a setup, to updates to the OS, you shut down the cluster nodes, run the update once on the master NFS directory, then reboot the nodes, and you're done. Anyone booting a full blown OS from local disk or exclusive NFS share, on compute nodes doesn't know what the heck s/he is doing, and is simply creating him/herself a huge management mess. This is why compute cluster specific distributions, and management tools, exist, and there are many of them available, both free and non free. There are far too many to list here. Google will tell you about most of them. * The availability of specialised packages was also a pain. Many times we had to build packages specially that was not available in the normal repositories while on Debian Servers I could only do 'apt-get install' If they're specialized packages, how can you complain? By definition it will be hit or miss as to whether any one distro will have said package. Debian doesn't have all HPC applications, and of those it does, many/most are likely out of date due to the 2 year release cycle. This really depends on what kind of HPC you're doing, and which programs you use. In summary, you argument against OpenSuSE or for Debian, WTF use as a compute cluster node OS is flawed from the start. Neither OS is suitable, without some serious modification and tweaking, as a compute node OS. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e43ce5b.3050...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anirudh Parui anika20...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Friends, The comparison between Linux Distros is a big matter of discussion. And when it comes to finding out what is the best everyone has his own point of view. Well i found this link which does a good comparison in all domains and want to share with you all. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) It also gets the origin of Linux as an operating system wrong. (The core GNU application swuite, of the compiler, compilation tools, core libraries, and core system utilities came first, not the kernel: the kernel simply completed the suite and led to the newly published OS's being called Linux.) And it completely ignores the commercially supported Linux distributions, such as RHEL, OEL, and the (recently defunct) commercial SuSE. So while patting oneself on the back for the popularity of your favorite distro, take it with a grain of salt. Two other aspects it misses are measurements of time taken to get a service-crippling bug report addressed, and time taken to patch a zero day exploit. These aspects are critical to know when choosing an OS for production systems. I agree they should have compared to commercial Linux varieties as well. In addition, hardware compatibility for stuff you don't have in a desktop system should be a consideration. Who supports that recently released SAS RAID card from Dell, or installing to an iSCSI device on the NAS? Some info for people who are running data centre equipment, not just hobby boxes. Redhat could be the winner here, but I'd be curious to see if Debian is catching up in this category. In my recent experience with identical bugs in Redhat and Debian, and comparing the security update to address the ssh exploit from fall 2010, Debian beats Redhat in rapid response. Another strange category, which could be useful for those of us forced to use old hardware, is how well does the latest distro handle installation on older stuff like IBM xSeries? Many people might assume this is supported but you'd be surprised.
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:26:47PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P I had to work with servers runing openSUSE for a few years and I beg to differ. I prefer any Debian flavour over openSuse. Regards Johann -- Johann SpiesTelefoon: 021-808 4699 Databestuurder / Data manager Sentrum vir Navorsing oor Evaluasie, Wetenskap en Tegnologie Centre for Research on Evaluation, Science and Technology Universiteit Stellenbosch. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. John 15:7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110810064917.gd7...@sun.ac.za
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:17 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:26:47PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P I had to work with servers runing openSUSE for a few years and I beg to differ. I prefer any Debian flavour over openSuse. Any Debian flavour... you mean you prefer Ubuntu over openSUSE for a server? Wow... can you expand that POV? I don't mean Ubuntu is not a good choice -I really like their LTS service- but I find it very GUI focused and a bit bloated (that's only an opinion of course) while openSUSE provides many tools to be managed from console and remotely (by means of ncurses yast) from where you can tweak and control almost any aspect of the distribution (hadware, services - apache, ldap, samba, postfix, etc...- kernel parameters and config, bootloader, partitioner, LVM volumes...). I find it very well designed and constructed and also very robust. I only miss the old 24 moths support for patches, which are now reduced to 18 months, not very convenient for servers ;-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.10.13.58...@gmail.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:58, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:17 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:26:47PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P I had to work with servers runing openSUSE for a few years and I beg to differ. I prefer any Debian flavour over openSuse. Any Debian flavour... you mean you prefer Ubuntu over openSUSE for a server? Wow... can you expand that POV? i didn't make the statement but i can understand the 'pov'. no, ubuntu is *no* server (even their lts server - that's a joke). however, i wouldn't think to use sles as a server either (i've not ever looked at opensuse so i'm taking the closest comparison i've seen here). firstly, on sles, can you tell me how many aliases there are? can you explain how the bloody hell they organize things in /usr and /var (and /etc for that matter)? what monkey did they use to patch their kernel? oh, and what is up with their package manager - yast (haven't seen that in a while, but . yeah, it was bad a few years ago). (as i've said / implied previously) there are only two reasons i'd use anything other than debian, slackware, or freebsd (or possibly openbsd) as a server - corporate history / bias or business support. i don't think opensuse fits either of those requirements. sles and ubuntu rarely fit those requirements. I don't mean Ubuntu is not a good choice -I really like their LTS service- but I find it very GUI focused and a bit bloated (that's only an opinion of course) while openSUSE provides many tools to be managed from console and remotely (by means of ncurses yast) from where you can tweak and control almost any aspect of the distribution (hadware, services - apache, ldap, samba, postfix, etc...- kernel parameters and config, bootloader, partitioner, LVM volumes...). i sort of agree with the above (other than the whole part about yast). I find it very well designed and constructed and also very robust. I only miss the old 24 moths support for patches, which are now reduced to 18 months, not very convenient for servers ;-( i don't really have an opinion on this. i can see both sides - the manufacturer / distributor 's and the consumer's. where the happy medium is comes down to cost.
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
Johann Spies wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:26:47PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P I had to work with servers runing openSUSE for a few years and I beg to differ. I prefer any Debian flavour over openSuse. Generally, I agree, but I've been running Debian with Xen on a couple of production machines (Debian as both Dom0 and DomUs) - started out with Xen 2.x on Sarge, upgraded several times, now running the final Xen 3 release on Lenny. Things have always been a bit finicky, and there are some bugs that have never been fixed that require workarounds (read: tricky configuration) to maintain reliable operation. From what I read on the Xen lists and bug database, I get the sense that Xen (at least the community version) is a lot more reliable and has better support on CentOS and SLES. I'm getting ready to upgrade to Xen 4 and Squeeze, but there's a part of me that is leaning toward either CentOS or SLES - neither of which are environments I really like to manage. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e42a223.1040...@meetinghouse.net
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:51:46 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:58, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Any Debian flavour... you mean you prefer Ubuntu over openSUSE for a server? Wow... can you expand that POV? i didn't make the statement but i can understand the 'pov'. no, ubuntu is *no* server (even their lts server - that's a joke). however, i wouldn't think to use sles as a server either (i've not ever looked at opensuse so i'm taking the closest comparison i've seen here). I can't speak for SLES, I've never used it (note that SLES is not the same as openSUSE) ;-) firstly, on sles, can you tell me how many aliases there are? A few? O:-) Let's see: (openSUSE 10.3) stt008:/mnt/etc# cat /mnt/etc/aliases | wc -l 84 (debian lenny) stt008:/mnt/etc# cat /etc/aliases | wc -l 14 Oh, well... but how does the number of aliases make a system better or worse or...? I mean, do you think is a good parameter to measure something? can you explain how the bloody hell they organize things in /usr and /var (and /etc for that matter)? Hum... what's the problem here? I have no complains on this, maybe it's different from Debian but every distro plays with FHS at their desire... what monkey did they use to patch their kernel? Hey, no monkeys in there! :-) They have in their files some of the best kernel devels (I know, I know... we *do* also have :-P) oh, and what is up with their package manager - yast (haven't seen that in a while, but . yeah, it was bad a few years ago). YaST (well, not YasT but zypper) has been greatly improved and is in a very good shape by now (fast and stable). (as i've said / implied previously) there are only two reasons i'd use anything other than debian, slackware, or freebsd (or possibly openbsd) as a server - corporate history / bias or business support. i don't think opensuse fits either of those requirements. sles and ubuntu rarely fit those requirements. If I would needed business support or having a big company behind my linux servers I probably would have gone for RedHat... but openSUSE made a great job for what I needed. It was my fist linux distribution and still miss it a bit :'( (...) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.10.15.44...@gmail.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
Hi folks, I think, the best Distro is, what is fitting the users needs. So just let me explain, why I like Debian, and what alternatives are also fine. First of all, I tested almost 20 distros. The most major ones, but also some not well known ones, like trinux or easy linux for example. My main target were the use for web servers and mail servers. The result was, that only 5 distros left. The other ones fell off, because the packages were too old, or there was no support by any maintainers. Some used too old kernels and some were not easy to administrate (easy means: Cannot be administrated by beginners, who can not use a command line). However, the 5 distros I chose were RedHat Enterprise, United Linux, Debian, OpenBSD, FreeBSD. The winner was Debian! Why? 1. RedHat lost, because they did not patch a openssh secrity-hole for 3 weeks! (any other distro did!) 2. United Linux lost, because they installed in standard server installation mode unnecessary (and unwanted) services like telnet. WTF? Yes, United Linux was claimed as a distro for servers, and for those I expect a minimal configuration. 3. That is what I liked most at OpenBSD. As OpenBSD is a little bit slower as Linux and very hard to configure (there were 3 noobs in our team), I decided not to use OpenBSD. Additionally our server were secured by a very expensive firewall, so protection was not so important. 4. FreeBSD (and I thought long of it), just lost, as packages and updates must be compiled on the system itself. That was no problem for me, but things hnad to go fast, and I was the only one, who was able to compile things. The other mebers of my team were Microsoft-Mouse-Pusher or noobs. 5. The winner was Debian. Why? Easy to tell: The packaging thing was running perfectly, I could automate a lot of things (cron-apt for example), protection was good with a little more work, and, very important, I could use webmin (in a restricted form) for our noob-admins and also some usermin-modules for my customers (also very restricted form). All other things could be configured to my needs, thanks to the scripts, debian is bringing by default. And, not to forget: debian is running on the most different hardware, on intel machines, solaris, risc whatever. I choose after this advice: Choose a distribution, and learn it. But learn it well! It was also the well documentation and manuals, which made my decision easy (although the docu of FreeBSD is very well, too!) And not forget its freedom: There is no coorporation behind it, which si controlling everything (like i.e. SuSE or RedHat!!) If I would have to choose today again, I would again vote for Debian, especially for noobs. It is easy to install, well to learn, is still pure linux (like slackware), and has a fine community. Many may ask, and Ubuntu? Aaah, f...k off! I do not like, what Ubuntu does. It is mostly preconfigured, and people do not learn anything. And it lacks with configuration. I remember, I should change postfix from English to German. No problem in Debian! Just install German locales and configure postfix. And Ubuntu? There are no German locales in its repository! Ah, get lost! It is an American Distro! Ok, this was just my personal point. I love Debian, fes problems with it and bugs are fixed s fast! Thank you Debian! Best regards Hans-J. Ullrich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201108101951.07848.hans.ullr...@loop.de
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/10/2011 1:51 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: You make some valid, neutral points here, and I have no argument up to this point. 4. FreeBSD (and I thought long of it), just lost, as packages and updates must be compiled on the system itself. That was no problem for me, but things hnad to go fast, and I was the only one, who was able to compile things. The other mebers of my team were Microsoft-Mouse-Pusher or noobs. The FreeBSD Ports system isn't the only means to install software. Alongside the Ports system is the pkg_* system for installing pre-built packages, these version numbers are almost always in-line w/ ports so there is little issue and you can safely mix-match in most cases, so long as you pay attention. 5. The winner was Debian. Why? Easy to tell: The packaging thing was running perfectly, I could automate a lot of things (cron-apt for example), protection was good with a little more work, and, very important, I could use webmin (in a restricted form) for our noob-admins and also some usermin-modules for my customers (also very restricted form). All other things could be configured to my needs, thanks to the scripts, debian is bringing by default. And, not to forget: debian is running on the most different hardware, on intel machines, solaris, risc whatever. I choose after this advice: Choose a distribution, and learn it. But learn it well! It was also the well documentation and manuals, which made my decision easy (although the docu of FreeBSD is very well, too!) I beg your pardon, but the FreeBSD handbook beats any linux distro's documentation hands down. You can 'man insert anything and get a well documented man page on that topic, I can't man wl in Debian. Don't get my wrong, I like Debian a lot, I've been using it since 6 was released and so far, it suites my needs, I even choose it for the VPS I just got. I'm also a FreeBSD fan (used it since the early 5.x days) FreeBSD can also run on these platforms. Although, Solaris is a UNIX-based OS, not a platform, are you talking about SUN Systems? Check out [2] and [3] for FreeBSD's Architecture support policy and a link to download the current supported branches (8.2 and 7.4) across multiple architectures. There are other niche-releases of FreeBSD released by developers on the side, such as NanoBSD, which is used as the base-platform for pfSense. And not forget its freedom: There is no coorporation behind it, which si controlling everything (like i.e. SuSE or RedHat!!) Last I heard, while RedHat does own the rights to Fedora, it is primarily a community-driven bleeding-edge OS designed to provide RHEL an up to date, stable environment. I dunno about SuSE, never used it much. Fedora, while bleeding edge, isn't all that bad if one takes your own advice and learns it well. If I would have to choose today again, I would again vote for Debian, especially for noobs. It is easy to install, well to learn, is still pure linux (like slackware), and has a fine community. Slackware is more pure in my option, only because the developer aims to provide a *vanilla* environment that is free from developer influence. The Debian way of doing something won't fly in Slackware, but the vanilla/neutral way of doing something in Slackware will work in almost any other modern *Nix OS Many may ask, and Ubuntu? Aaah, f...k off! I do not like, what Ubuntu does. It is mostly preconfigured, and people do not learn anything. And it lacks with configuration. I remember, I should change postfix from English to German. No problem in Debian! Just install German locales and configure postfix. And Ubuntu? There are no German locales in its repository! Ah, get lost! It is an American Distro! Ok, this was just my personal point. I love Debian, fes problems with it and bugs are fixed s fast! Bugs are fixed quite fast in FreeBSD too, spend time on -ports, -hackers, -bugs or -security and you'll see, sometimes, they are fixed within minutes of being discovered. Bugs found in in BASE can take a bit longer because there is a testing procedure to ensure that new bugs aren't introduced into the base system by mistake with the fix. This is also my opinion, but I think it's an opinion founded slightly more in fact. Take a look at the mailing lists[1] For FreeBSD, join a few and you'll see how well taken care of and robust FreeBSD really is. Ultimately, it comes down to what will work best in your environment and I'm sure we're all happy that you found one. It just seems like your analysis of FreeBSD was a bit short-minded. [1]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo [2]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/archs.html [3]http://www.freebsd.org/where.html Yes, I'm a FreeBSD fan, I'm also a Debian fan, which is why I sit on this mailing list. I'm also a long-time fan of Slackware, although I haven't used it in many years. So be kind, don't flame me :D -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes.
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:15:04 +0530, Anirudh Parui wrote: The comparison between Linux Distros is a big matter of discussion. And when it comes to finding out what is the best everyone has his own point of view. Well i found this link which does a good comparison in all domains and want to share with you all. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.08.15.26...@gmail.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
I would have gone with slackware. But that's just me. :) On Aug 8, 2011 10:30 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:15:04 +0530, Anirudh Parui wrote: The comparison between Linux Distros is a big matter of discussion. And when it comes to finding out what is the best everyone has his own point of view. Well i found this link which does a good comparison in all domains and want to share with you all. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) Nice! But openSUSE is far better than Ubtuntu in almost any aspect... :-P Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.08.08.15.26...@gmail.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/8/2011 11:36 AM, shawn wilson wrote: I would have gone with slackware. But that's just me. :) Slackware is a great way to learn Linux without many 'isms to worry about. Slackware 4.x/5.x was my first distro to try on my own and I used it for a very long time. It taught me the fundamental basics of what I needed to know about compiling software and it's dependencies. It's something I do recommend to people who want to aggressively learn Linux without the overhead of learning how a specific OS does something. Granted I haven't used Slackware since 9.1 so I have no idea how much has changed since then... -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
Hello List: On 08/08/11 19:30, Chris Brennan wrote: On 8/8/2011 11:36 AM, shawn wilson wrote: I would have gone with slackware. But that's just me. :) Slackware is a great way to learn Linux without many 'isms to worry about. Slackware 4.x/5.x was my first distro to try on my own and I used it for a very long time. It taught me the fundamental basics of what I needed to know about compiling software and it's dependencies. It's something I do recommend to people who want to aggressively learn Linux without the overhead of learning how a specific OS does something. Granted I haven't used Slackware since 9.1 so I have no idea how much has changed since then... Why have you switched to Debian ? Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e401e58.5090...@rezozer.net
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/8/2011 1:35 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Why have you switched to Debian ? Simply for the experience, I try to spend some time with a few different distro's at a time. I've played with RHL, SuSE, Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Slackware and FreeBSD, just to name a few. To be perfectly honest, Debian, FreeBSD and Gentoo all share many things in common and in general, I enjoy their philosophies over the others. To that end, at home, I run a Debian, a Gentoo and 2 FreeBSD boxes (one is my pfSense firewall and the other is a FreeBSD server). My VPS is also Debian, although I would much prefer if my host would offer FreeBSD as I am more familiar with that as a server. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Aug 8, 2011 12:31 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On 8/8/2011 11:36 AM, shawn wilson wrote: I would have gone with slackware. But that's just me. :) Slackware is a great way to learn Linux without many 'isms to worry about. Slackware 4.x/5.x was my first distro to try on my own and I used it for a very long time. It taught me the fundamental basics of what I needed to know about compiling software and it's dependencies. It's something I do recommend to people who want to aggressively learn Linux without the overhead of learning how a specific OS does something. Granted I haven't used Slackware since 9.1 so I have no idea how much has changed since then... Heh, as far as learning, slackware was like a quick kick - learn or die sorta thing. Yes, linux has changed. Distros with different kernel patches that do different things (ubuntu *cough*). Hell, I didn't even realize that someone had been patching screen to provide a vertical split all this time until I went to compile it and the feature wasn't there. Yes, there's tons more (or less) in a distribution than most people realize. And the more I use linux, the more I like the distributions with the less attitude to things. I used slackware between v2.x to v4 and then moved to debian and now I'm back to slackware. Sorta interesting how that worked. However, I think any article or blog saying why this distro is the best thing since sliced bread has totally missed the boat. I can understand why businesses or software firms may say only use this or we only support this - it makes things level for everyone who needs to support it. But for an individual (or indeed for a business) to never consider other distributions is short sighted. I find a use for debian (for quick testing of software), slackware (for development), ubuntu (for a desktop that I'm not going to do much else with), and I'm thinking of getting some FreeBSD servers going (yeah, they're different but still posix). So there. That's my 'best distro' comment for the day. Hint: there is none! -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Best linux Distro 2011
Hi Friends, The comparison between Linux Distros is a big matter of discussion. And when it comes to finding out what is the best everyone has his own point of view. Well i found this link which does a good comparison in all domains and want to share with you all. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) -- Regards, Anirudh Parui -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAM0XJ0AxxgaOgksjV9+Tvq_ntYSeWecLOD10uk+7PGoBAyG=6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Anirudh Parui anika20...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Friends, The comparison between Linux Distros is a big matter of discussion. And when it comes to finding out what is the best everyone has his own point of view. Well i found this link which does a good comparison in all domains and want to share with you all. http://www.tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 And Well Debian wins over all the Distros :) It also gets the origin of Linux as an operating system wrong. (The core GNU application swuite, of the compiler, compilation tools, core libraries, and core system utilities came first, not the kernel: the kernel simply completed the suite and led to the newly published OS's being called Linux.) And it completely ignores the commercially supported Linux distributions, such as RHEL, OEL, and the (recently defunct) commercial SuSE. So while patting oneself on the back for the popularity of your favorite distro, take it with a grain of salt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOCN9rxc8fLfwVMUL-vp9tXck==YY=uxfwk6--x9ucfi6ch...@mail.gmail.com
