Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:55:06PM +, M.Kirchhoff wrote:
> Nano Nano <40119.nospam comcast.net> writes:
>
> > This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play
> > extremely well but Doom 3 is about out.
>
> Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under
> WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art
> of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases,
> though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows,
> Linux, and Mac...
Yes, I still use Windows XP for Games, writing my resume, and filing my
taxes. However, I use Linux for e-Government, online banking, and
managing my investment portfolio (such as it is), querying my library
record with some perl scripts, and things.
Longhorn will ship around 2006. I changed my XP partition to the new PC
for games, but I mostly use Debian on it. My old PC now runs Windows
2000 from with an old MSDN valid key that I (legally) have. I use it
with my Creative Digital VCR and to serve files, I *would* use Linux but
DVCR doesn't work in Linux.
Longhorn will ship in 2006. It will be interesting in the state of
Linux as to whether or not I feel compelled to purchase it at full
retail price. Hopefully in 2 years I will have left Microsoft behind
completely.
I went ahead and bought the new P4 3.2 and it overclocks to a 3.36 (5%).
My PC4000 does 5 MB/sec on a SiSoft Sandra memory benchmark -- its
capacity is 5.6 MB/sec, but you have to use a 2.4 or 2.6 overclocked to
a 3.2 to get that kind of speed. It's plenty fast.
Linux kernel 2.6.2 compiles in 6 minutes, which is roughly 100% faster
than the P4 1.7. abcde/cdparanoia/flac fly. Mplayer and Fire{bird,fox}
compile 100% faster. Openoffice finally starts in reasonably quickly!
Totally worth it!
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Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
Nano Nano <40119.nospam comcast.net> writes: > This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play > extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases, though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows, Linux, and Mac... --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:02:47PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would consider another MB manufacture, as Asus has had problems with quality of as > late. > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13674 > > Ok this might effect their AMD line, but do you really trust a MB company which uses > only one type of capacitors for only one line? I would much prefer you to have a long > lasting computer with your hard earned cash. Also you could save a few dollars by > choosing > a different MB manufacture. Also do you really need a 3.2 Ghz chip, you could save a > bundle > on a 2.8 Ghz chip. Also make sure you get a new power supply, if it comes with the > case > make sure it will be big enough. Antec does a good job with PS bundles with their > cases, or > I like fortran which powers my dual rig. Otherwise everything looks good, if you > went AMD you > could save even more money, unless you went 64 which would be about the same. I'm basing my buying decision on Tom's Hardware. His last two reviews on the P4 (3.4 Extreme & the Memory Timings one) have been with: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe, Rev. 1.02 Intel 875P Chipset BIOS: 1014 4x Corsiar TwinX CMX256A-3200LL (XMS32005V1.1) 256 MB per DIMM CL 2.0 - tRCD 2 - tRP 2 - tRAS 6 for 133 and 200 MHz FSB That fellow is German, I trust Germans to "steer me right" in general (I love their sense of ergonomics and design) and this guy in particular seems to give good advice. I don't care (much) about overclocking. The 2.8 is only $60 cheaper, since the 3.4 is out people are dropping prices on the 3.2 (but they're not in stock!). I dunno, I might end up waiting. I currently have a P4 1.7 Willamette (RDRAM-800) from 2001 with a Radeon 9700: it looks like I'll get 50% better framerates in games and 100% faster times encoding MP3s in lame. This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Plus it would be nice to cut down DVD-transcoding and stuff, that takes hours. Anyway, thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will > it work with Linux? > > Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading > Technology - Retail > > Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "P4C800-E > DELUXE" -RETAIL > > Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin > 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail > (x2 = 1gig) > > plus a good case will be $960! woot! > The other stuff will come over from my old PC. > > Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm > going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. > > Links: > > CPU: > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164&catalog=343&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1 > Mobo: > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464&depa=1 > Memory: > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-431&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1 I would consider another MB manufacture, as Asus has had problems with quality of as late. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13674 Ok this might effect their AMD line, but do you really trust a MB company which uses only one type of capacitors for only one line? I would much prefer you to have a long lasting computer with your hard earned cash. Also you could save a few dollars by choosing a different MB manufacture. Also do you really need a 3.2 Ghz chip, you could save a bundle on a 2.8 Ghz chip. Also make sure you get a new power supply, if it comes with the case make sure it will be big enough. Antec does a good job with PS bundles with their cases, or I like fortran which powers my dual rig. Otherwise everything looks good, if you went AMD you could save even more money, unless you went 64 which would be about the same. I don't know if the Pat extensions are coded for linux yet, but everything should be available in the newer kernels. Rthoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:37:53AM +0100, Mike M wrote: > On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will > > it work with Linux? > > > > Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading > > Technology - Retail ... > 1. I have a Mobile Pentium 4 with h/t running unstable with 2.4 kernel; > seems A-OK to me > > 2. Read in O'Reilly "Understanding the Linux Kernel" 2nd Ed. that: > > "Very recently, Intel introduced the hyper-threading technology. > Basically, the hyper-threaded CPU isa microprocessor that executes two > threads of exectuions at once; it includes serveral copies of the > internal registers and quickly switches between them. Thanks to this > approach, the machine cycles spent when one thread is accessing the RAM > can be exploited by the second thread. A hyper-threaded CPU is seen by > the kernel as two different CPUs, so Linux does not have to be > explicitly made aware of it. However, Lnux breaks the "oldest idle rule" > and forces an immediate resceduling when it discovers that a > hyper-threaded CPU is running two idle processes." This seems to be fixed in 2.6.x. See http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3346 and search on "hyper." Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will > it work with Linux? > > Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading > Technology - Retail > > Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "P4C800-E > DELUXE" -RETAIL > > Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin > 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail > (x2 = 1gig) > > plus a good case will be $960! woot! > The other stuff will come over from my old PC. > > Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm > going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. 1. I have a Mobile Pentium 4 with h/t running unstable with 2.4 kernel; seems A-OK to me 2. Read in O'Reilly "Understanding the Linux Kernel" 2nd Ed. that: "Very recently, Intel introduced the hyper-threading technology. Basically, the hyper-threaded CPU isa microprocessor that executes two threads of exectuions at once; it includes serveral copies of the internal registers and quickly switches between them. Thanks to this approach, the machine cycles spent when one thread is accessing the RAM can be exploited by the second thread. A hyper-threaded CPU is seen by the kernel as two different CPUs, so Linux does not have to be explicitly made aware of it. However, Lnux breaks the "oldest idle rule" and forces an immediate resceduling when it discovers that a hyper-threaded CPU is running two idle processes." -- Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buying a new computer, questions!
I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "P4C800-E DELUXE" -RETAIL Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail (x2 = 1gig) plus a good case will be $960! woot! The other stuff will come over from my old PC. Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. Links: CPU: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164&catalog=343&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1 Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464&depa=1 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-431&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
