Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 18:20:25 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: I suspect that if this update hits Testing that many more users will be impacted. I know that I will have to put CUPS on my laptop in Hold status just so I have a machine to print from should it migrate to Testing in its current state. Quite possibly. But that's the nature of Testing, isn't it? Preventing packages in a good state (like CUPS) from migrating there defeats its purpose. As to your problem: you could pursue Camaleón's suggestion and find the last CUPS package which works for you. The changelog for the following version might give you something to base debugging on. Not that I'd envy your doing this; there have been quite a few important changes in CUPS recently including, but not confined to, a new upstrem version. Changing the ppd is another, simpler option. Your printer supports PCL 6 so under Generic there are quite a few to try. Using 'lp -d' is also an alternative to printing through Iceweasel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227153806.GH32189@desktop
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 18:20:25 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: I suspect that if this update hits Testing that many more users will be impacted. I know that I will have to put CUPS on my laptop in Hold status just so I have a machine to print from should it migrate to Testing in its current state. Quite possibly. But that's the nature of Testing, isn't it? Preventing packages in a good state (like CUPS) from migrating there defeats its purpose. Why don't you add a comment to the bug stating that you disagree with the diversity and let the maintainers decide? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sxzi54OUPxsz-Mae_N=nt7bztfxpvbjs9ylraofc0h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Mon 27 Feb 2012 at 11:29:59 -0500, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Quite possibly. But that's the nature of Testing, isn't it? Preventing packages in a good state (like CUPS) from migrating there defeats its purpose. Why don't you add a comment to the bug stating that you disagree with the diversity and let the maintainers decide? Sorry, I'm a bit thrown by 'diversity'; I'll assume you mean 'severity'. There is already one mail expressing that view and I try not to go in for 'me toos'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227165619.GI32189@desktop
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 27 Feb 2012 at 11:29:59 -0500, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Quite possibly. But that's the nature of Testing, isn't it? Preventing packages in a good state (like CUPS) from migrating there defeats its purpose. Why don't you add a comment to the bug stating that you disagree with the diversity and let the maintainers decide? Sorry, I'm a bit thrown by 'diversity'; I'll assume you mean 'severity'. There is already one mail expressing that view and I try not to go in for 'me toos'. I must've mistyped severity and gmail transformed it... I missed the other mail... I don't understand the me too. All that I was saying is that since you feel so strongly about the bug's severity, just add a comment to that effect and let the maintainers decide whether to change it. What does that have to do with me too?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SwXqMH=qvscx8zmPQ=v7y_6_sv9tqu8okt9bj4grhh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Mon 27 Feb 2012 at 12:44:34 -0500, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Sorry, I'm a bit thrown by 'diversity'; I'll assume you mean 'severity'. There is already one mail expressing that view and I try not to go in for 'me toos'. I must've mistyped severity and gmail transformed it... I missed the other mail... I don't understand the me too. All that I was saying is that since you feel so strongly about the bug's severity, just add a comment to that effect and let the maintainers decide whether to change it. What does that have to do with me too?! #660420 is the source of the mail I referred to. Sending a similar mail there adds nothing of value to the report. I've already dealt with the issue of who can manipulate the severity of a bug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227182847.GK32189@desktop
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:02:27 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: I just noticed that my Sid box is printing blank sheets from CUPS to my Brother HL-5240 printer. It is connected to the network using an Axis 540+ print server which provides an LPD interface. I can print a text document using a2ps but anything from Iceweasel or LibreOffice results in a blank sheet. It seems as though printing to PDF is working using the cups-pdf package. Printing is working fine on my Wheezy laptop, using the same printer and PPD file, so this seems like a Sid issue at the moment even with the latest PPD from openprinting.org. Try with the last good version of the package in Sid and if it works, just open a bug report. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jid97c$69j$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
* On 2012 26 Feb 06:43 -0600, Camaleón wrote: Try with the last good version of the package in Sid and if it works, just open a bug report. Two bugs are open in this topic, 660348 (mine) and 660420 (Mike's). Both of us have tried the latest update (1.5.2-5) and Mike sees help with the Generic PS 1 driver and I see no improvement with the HL-5240 PPD. We're following it closely. Fortunately, Mike's report is marked Grave to prevent the latest CUPS update (1.5.2) from moving into Testing. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120226132851.gb2...@n0nb.us
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 07:28:51 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 26 Feb 06:43 -0600, Camaleón wrote: Try with the last good version of the package in Sid and if it works, just open a bug report. Two bugs are open in this topic, 660348 (mine) and 660420 (Mike's). Both of us have tried the latest update (1.5.2-5) and Mike sees help with the Generic PS 1 driver and I see no improvement with the HL-5240 PPD. We're following it closely. Fortunately, Mike's report is marked Grave to prevent the latest CUPS update (1.5.2) from moving into Testing. Bug #660420 at most rates a severity level of 'Important'. Designating it as 'Grave' to prevent it getting into testing is not the purpose of the BTS. Bug #660852 can be categorised in a similar way. If the CUPS maintainers don't do downgrade it themselves I'd think of doing it myself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120226195518.GB32189@desktop
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
* On 2012 26 Feb 14:12 -0600, Brian wrote: Bug #660420 at most rates a severity level of 'Important'. Designating it as 'Grave' to prevent it getting into testing is not the purpose of the BTS. Strangely, I thought it was intended to be used in such a manner as to keep severely broken package upgrades from Testing which, AIUI, is *supposed* to be stable enough to be frozen at any time so the remaining RC bugs can be shaken out for a Stable release. ISTM that parts of recent GNOME upgrades were kept out of Testing by this method. Breaking a swath of heretofore working PostScript printers seems grave enough to me to keep this update from affecting a larger user base. Bug #660852 can be categorised in a similar way. I don't have his issue but I'm not going to deny he's experiencing trouble. If the CUPS maintainers don't do downgrade it themselves I'd think of doing it myself. I would suggest contacting the CUPS maintainers before stepping into their territory. Not consulting them before modifying their bugs seems rather impolite, perhaps even rude. Do you have any knowledge that they are unaware of this issue or disagree with the status of the bugs? - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120226215527.ga8...@n0nb.us
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
On Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 15:55:27 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 26 Feb 14:12 -0600, Brian wrote: Bug #660420 at most rates a severity level of 'Important'. Designating it as 'Grave' to prevent it getting into testing is not the purpose of the BTS. Strangely, I thought it was intended to be used in such a manner as to keep severely broken package upgrades from Testing which, AIUI, is *supposed* to be stable enough to be frozen at any time so the remaining RC bugs can be shaken out for a Stable release. ISTM that parts of recent GNOME upgrades were kept out of Testing by this method. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags important a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone The bit after the comma is the relevant bit. Now you make out a case for the bug being Grave. grave makes the package in question unusable or mostly so, or causes data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who use the package. You could start with addressing how the package is unusable for everyone (including, of course, those who have inkjet and dotmatrix printers). Breaking a swath of heretofore working PostScript printers seems grave enough to me to keep this update from affecting a larger user base. From the bug report, a 'swath' appears to be two. Mine isn't one of them. Bug #660852 can be categorised in a similar way. I don't have his issue but I'm not going to deny he's experiencing trouble. Of course he is. But it's not a Grave bug. If the CUPS maintainers don't do downgrade it themselves I'd think of doing it myself. I would suggest contacting the CUPS maintainers before stepping into their territory. Not consulting them before modifying their bugs seems rather impolite, perhaps even rude. Do you have any knowledge that they are unaware of this issue or disagree with the status of the bugs? Sorry, the bug is in the database; it concerns everyone. Contacting anyone at all before contributing is not part of the deal. There is no territory off limits as you seek to suggest. It is all ours. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120226223710.GF32189@desktop
Re: CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
* On 2012 26 Feb 16:55 -0600, Brian wrote: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags important a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone The bit after the comma is the relevant bit. Now you make out a case for the bug being Grave. grave makes the package in question unusable or mostly so, or causes data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the accounts of users who use the package. Thanks for the tutorial. I quite well aware of the definitions. You will also note the the bug I originated is marked Important as at the time I did not know if anyone else was impacted as there had been no reply to my original message to this list until today. You could start with addressing how the package is unusable for everyone (including, of course, those who have inkjet and dotmatrix printers). Not my job. Take it up with the originator of the Grave bug report as this concerns you so greatly. I've merely continued to report new information to each bug as a matter of record. I suspect that if this update hits Testing that many more users will be impacted. I know that I will have to put CUPS on my laptop in Hold status just so I have a machine to print from should it migrate to Testing in its current state. From the bug report, a 'swath' appears to be two. Mine isn't one of them. Lucky you. I'm guessing that X number of bugs that exist in the BTS only affect a small percentage of the user base at any one time. Sorry, the bug is in the database; it concerns everyone. Contacting anyone at all before contributing is not part of the deal. There is no territory off limits as you seek to suggest. It is all ours. I guess I'm respectful of the Debian process and am willing to allow the maintainers the leeway to adjust the severity of the bug reports as they see fit. And, yes, I've had submitted reports changed by maintainers. In the end their judgment was proven to be correct. Do as you wish. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227002025.gc2...@n0nb.us
CUPS on Sid printing blank sheets
I just noticed that my Sid box is printing blank sheets from CUPS to my Brother HL-5240 printer. It is connected to the network using an Axis 540+ print server which provides an LPD interface. I can print a text document using a2ps but anything from Iceweasel or LibreOffice results in a blank sheet. It seems as though printing to PDF is working using the cups-pdf package. Printing is working fine on my Wheezy laptop, using the same printer and PPD file, so this seems like a Sid issue at the moment even with the latest PPD from openprinting.org. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120218000226.ga5...@n0nb.us
