PGP on Usenet (was Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console)
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 03:05, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 23:47:50 2003 Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:12:58 2003 The stupid idiot must have have jumped to the insane conclusion that you were reading this with mutt from the irrelevant facts that you were complaining that you couldn't read it and that you said you were using mutt. Imagine! believing what you told him instead of looking for the enough clues in my posts to deduce you were talking crap! I think I'll killfile him too, in case he starts believing what I say. I didn't say anything about killfiling Colin. Are you troll? I DO use mutt to post with, and slrn to read the posts off usenet. Obviously, neither can do anything with what ended up on usenet I believe that I am being blamed for someone else's ignorance or selfishness. THEY were unaware or disdainful of the fact that a LOT of people read ldu from the usenet. There was a thread on the subject earlier, the latter part of which made it onto the mailing list. I participated in that thread. In fact, it was initiated by a fellow kind enough to point out that my posts to the newsfeed were not making it onto the mailing list, which I did not realize. PGP, attachments, and HTML have no place on the usenet, and people whose posts ultimately end up there, or those responsible for the delivery, need to observe proper netiquette. At least that's my take on the subject, and that of many others. I DO wonder what the mailing list posting rules are, and will look into it. Meanwhile, welcome to my killfile, ya jerk. Alan -- For Linux/Bash users: Eliminate spam from your life with the Mailbox-Sentry-Program. See the thread MSP on comp.mail.misc for the latest version. I know, I'm late on this one (for all those who wish this thread would end,) but PGP is considered very appropriate on Usenet - wander into any of the news.* hierarchy (one of the Big-Eight hierarchies) and you will find all manner of posts, particularly on posted reports, PGP or GPG signed to indicate that they are authoritatively from who they claim to be. This is particularly the case in the news.admin groups, where spoofing of emails has been a problem in the past. PGP/GPG is something I value on posts here as it reflects that I am not getting someone from Microsoft or SCO pretending to be someone regular and trusted on this list, offering *unhelpful* advice in their stead. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:41, Andrew McGuinness wrote: Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:12:58 2003 On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 03:13:08PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? The answer is that they aren't, are they? So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? Which doesn't make a lot of sense. Kindly direct your sarcasm where it belongs. The stupid idiot must have have jumped to the insane conclusion that you were reading this with mutt from the irrelevant facts that you were complaining that you couldn't read it and that you said you were using mutt. Imagine! believing what you told him instead of looking for the enough clues in my posts to deduce you were talking crap! Besides, from his original message: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA | | | | I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian | | because I hate vegetables!| |unknown | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
Alan Connor wrote: And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? If you shoose to read this list via usenet or other gateways, the burden is on you to do any conceptual shifts necessary. This includes not flaming people for complying with standard email etiquette even when it conflicts with usenet etiquette. It also includes getting your References header right, which I notice your post did not do. So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? slrn has supported MIME since well before 1995. While it doesn't bother with attachments, it can use metamail to view MIME messages. Not-to-mention that sending attachments is verboten on every mailing list that I have ever subscribed to, as are HTML mails. Small attachments for gpg signatures and bits of log files or patches or transcripts are completly acceptable on this mailing list. Henceforth I will simply killfile anyone on the list who does either. Fortunately, the vast majority have better manners/sense than that. You should expect to be killfiling a lot of Debian developers then. -- see shy jo, slrn maintainer for Debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003, Brian White wrote: I've been trying to stop kernel log messages (generally from iptables) from going to the console, and thus making the console unusable for login. I've tried different things, but they just keep popping up. I have iptables lines like: iptables -A WATCH -m limit -j LOG --log-level warn --log-prefix ACCEPT- and those message always appear on the console -- nothing else; just these messages. I've attached the syslog.conf file for more information. Any help is appreciated! Thanks! One way is to add `kernel.printk = 1 4 1 7` to /etc/sysctl.conf. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 23:47:50 2003 Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:12:58 2003 The stupid idiot must have have jumped to the insane conclusion that you were reading this with mutt from the irrelevant facts that you were complaining that you couldn't read it and that you said you were using mutt. Imagine! believing what you told him instead of looking for the enough clues in my posts to deduce you were talking crap! I think I'll killfile him too, in case he starts believing what I say. I didn't say anything about killfiling Colin. Are you troll? I DO use mutt to post with, and slrn to read the posts off usenet. Obviously, neither can do anything with what ended up on usenet I believe that I am being blamed for someone else's ignorance or selfishness. THEY were unaware or disdainful of the fact that a LOT of people read ldu from the usenet. There was a thread on the subject earlier, the latter part of which made it onto the mailing list. I participated in that thread. In fact, it was initiated by a fellow kind enough to point out that my posts to the newsfeed were not making it onto the mailing list, which I did not realize. PGP, attachments, and HTML have no place on the usenet, and people whose posts ultimately end up there, or those responsible for the delivery, need to observe proper netiquette. At least that's my take on the subject, and that of many others. I DO wonder what the mailing list posting rules are, and will look into it. Meanwhile, welcome to my killfile, ya jerk. Alan -- For Linux/Bash users: Eliminate spam from your life with the Mailbox-Sentry-Program. See the thread MSP on comp.mail.misc for the latest version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 08:31:39PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: Colin Watson wrote: How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? Since when was this Usenet? (Hint: Usenet == big-8 newsgroup hierarchies, netnews == newsgroups in general. Usenet most certainly isn't whatever random gateway you're reading this through.) So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? Which doesn't make a lot of sense. If you're doing something weird then you should expect to have to cope with weirdness yourself; please start by not breaking every thread you respond to. It seems to me that others should do the same. Not-to-mention that sending attachments is verboten on every mailing list that I have ever subscribed to, as are HTML mails. Henceforth I will simply killfile anyone on the list who does either. Bye-bye. Attachments are not remotely in the same league as HTML mails. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:05:40AM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: PGP, attachments, and HTML have no place on the usenet, and people whose posts ultimately end up there, or those responsible for the delivery, need to observe proper netiquette. At least that's my take on the subject, and that of many others. Nope. There's absolutely no reason why users of lists.debian.org need care about the existence of news gateways; it's not their fault that they exist. Users of news gateways should take the responsibility of knowing that they're looking through a window into a different world with different rules. (PGP-signed to see if Alan will killfile me.) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 08:31:39PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: Colin Watson wrote: How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? The answer is that they aren't, are they? So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? Which doesn't make a lot of sense. Kindly direct your sarcasm where it belongs. There are enough clues in my posts indicating that I read the newsfeed rather than subscribe to the list directly. Oh yeah, I genuinely thought that you were using mutt to read posts (particularly since, oh let me see, *you said you were using mutt*), and had somehow managed to configure it such that it didn't decode MIME, and I genuinely tried to help by pointing you at the relevant section of the manual (even though I couldn't find any option there which would disable MIME when I looked, but hey, someone else might be able to). There was no sarcasm in my post, only amazement and curiosity since I'd never heard of such a mutt configuration before. I can't be expected to remember the personal mail reading arrangements of every last person on this mailing list, particularly when it's so hard to follow threads you're involved in without going back and fixing up their threading by hand, which I don't always bother with. If your response to a genuine effort to help is a flame, then I strongly suggest that you inspect your own manners before impugning those of others. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 08:31:39PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? The answer is that they aren't, are they? This is a mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're able to read and post to this mailing list from some USENET source, good for you, you're special, deal with it. 8:o) Most newsreaders can also deal with MIME, just because slrn is behind the times doesn't mean progress gets to stop and wait up at this point. Heck, MIME encoded PGP is the preferred method for signing anymore... - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JmJkJ5vLSqVpK2kRAuE3AJ4j1PQ4Zq7sgOAXPBdU1qzEHMr8lwCaAwul D2NOjHWrfptSZzOqSoHf+28= =/iII -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
I've been trying to stop kernel log messages (generally from iptables) from going to the console, and thus making the console unusable for login. I've tried different things, but they just keep popping up. I have iptables lines like: iptables -A WATCH -m limit -j LOG --log-level warn --log-prefix ACCEPT- and those message always appear on the console -- nothing else; just these messages. I've attached the syslog.conf file for more information. Any help is appreciated! Thanks! One way is to add `kernel.printk = 1 4 1 7` to /etc/sysctl.conf. This sounds like the best way, but I can't find any documentation on what the four numbers mean. Do you have a reference? Other things suggested (but not posted to the list were): - add -c 4 to KLOGD in /etc/init.d/klogd - echo 4 /proc/sys/kernel/printk Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Relationships go through seasons. Winter often comes before Spring. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003, Brian White wrote: I've been trying to stop kernel log messages (generally from iptables) from going to the console, and thus making the console unusable for login. I've tried different things, but they just keep popping up. I have iptables lines like: iptables -A WATCH -m limit -j LOG --log-level warn --log-prefix ACCEPT- and those message always appear on the console -- nothing else; just these messages. I've attached the syslog.conf file for more information. Any help is appreciated! Thanks! One way is to add `kernel.printk = 1 4 1 7` to /etc/sysctl.conf. This sounds like the best way, but I can't find any documentation on what the four numbers mean. Do you have a reference? It's in the kernel source in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or /usr/src/linux/Documentation/proc.txt in older kernels. Other things suggested (but not posted to the list were): - add -c 4 to KLOGD in /etc/init.d/klogd - echo 4 /proc/sys/kernel/printk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
I've been trying to stop kernel log messages (generally from iptables) from going to the console, and thus making the console unusable for login. I've tried different things, but they just keep popping up. I have iptables lines like: iptables -A WATCH -m limit -j LOG --log-level warn --log-prefix ACCEPT- and those message always appear on the console -- nothing else; just these messages. I've attached the syslog.conf file for more information. Any help is appreciated! Thanks! Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) P.S. Please CC me when replying; I'm not on the debian-users list right now. --- Relationships go through seasons. Winter often comes before Spring.# /etc/syslog.conf Configuration file for syslogd. # # For more information see syslog.conf(5) # manpage. # # First some standard logfiles. Log by facility. # *.*;auth,authpriv,kern.none -/var/log/syslog auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log cron,daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log kern.* /var/log/kern.log lpr.* -/var/log/lpr.log user.* -/var/log/user.log uucp.* -/var/log/uucp.log # # Logging for the mail system. Split it up so that # it is easy to write scripts to parse these files. # mail.* -/var/log/mail.log #mail.info -/var/log/mail.info #mail.warn -/var/log/mail.warn #mail.err /var/log/mail.err # # Logging for INN news system # news.* -/var/log/news.log #news.crit /var/log/news/news.crit #news.err /var/log/news/news.err #news.notice-/var/log/news/news.notice # # Logging for extra (local) services # local2.*-/var/log/ppp.log # # Some `catch-all' logfiles. # *.=debug;\ auth,authpriv.none;\ news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\ auth,authpriv,kern.none;\ cron,daemon.none;\ local2.none;\ local5.none;\ local7.none;\ mail,news.none -/var/log/messages # # Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in. # *.emerg * # # I like to have messages displayed on the console, but only on a virtual # console I usually leave idle. # daemon;mail.*;\ news.=crit;news.=err;news.=notice;\ *.=debug;*.=info;\ *.=notice;*.=warn /dev/tty12 # The named pipe /dev/xconsole is for the `xconsole' utility. To use it, # you must invoke `xconsole' with the `-file' option: # #$ xconsole -file /dev/xconsole [...] # # NOTE: adjust the list below, or you'll go crazy if you have a reasonably # busy site.. #
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
Hello Brian White wrote: I've been trying to stop kernel log messages (generally from iptables) from going to the console, and thus making the console unusable for login. I've tried different things, but they just keep popping up. I think you can disable kernel logs on consoles completely by passing the quiet parameter to the kernel on startup or adding it to the append-line of your bootloader. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 Registered Linux User #267976 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? I can't even figure out what the guy is trying to say Using mutt. Thanks, Alan -- For Linux/Bash users: Eliminate spam from your life with the Mailbox-Sentry-Program. See the thread MSP on comp.mail.misc for the latest version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 17:13, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. This is the hint... --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? I can't even figure out what the guy is trying to say You don't want to get rid of it. It's integral to his email. He sent a text email and attached his syslog.conf It's offensive when html mails or binary file attachments are sent. -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA | | | | I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian | | because I hate vegetables!| |unknown | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 03:13:08PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:12:58 2003 On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 03:13:08PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? The answer is that they aren't, are they? So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? Which doesn't make a lot of sense. Kindly direct your sarcasm where it belongs. There are enough clues in my posts indicating that I read the newsfeed rather than subscribe to the list directly. *I* am cognizant of the fact that my posts are going to a mailing list as well as Usenet, and take this into account. It seems to me that others should do the same. Not-to-mention that sending attachments is verboten on every mailing list that I have ever subscribed to, as are HTML mails. Henceforth I will simply killfile anyone on the list who does either. Fortunately, the vast majority have better manners/sense than that. Alan -- For Linux/Bash users: Eliminate spam from your life with the Mailbox-Sentry-Program. See the thread MSP on comp.mail.misc for the latest version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't Keep Kernel Log Messages From Console
Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:12:58 2003 On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 03:13:08PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 15:09:43 2003 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=syslog.conf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=syslog.conf --8222A093BEB3CE9D0AF16851-- Would someone PLEASE tell me what all that CRAP is, and how to get rid of it? How have you managed to break mutt to the point where it doesn't understand attachments? I'm awed; mutt is an excellent MIME client. Maybe chapter 5 of the mutt manual would be helpful? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] And pray tell just what are attachments doing on Usenet? The answer is that they aren't, are they? So the question should be: Since when does *slrn* deal with attachments? Which doesn't make a lot of sense. Kindly direct your sarcasm where it belongs. The stupid idiot must have have jumped to the insane conclusion that you were reading this with mutt from the irrelevant facts that you were complaining that you couldn't read it and that you said you were using mutt. Imagine! believing what you told him instead of looking for the enough clues in my posts to deduce you were talking crap! I think I'll killfile him too, in case he starts believing what I say. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
