Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Jude DaShiell, 31.01.2012: A slight variant of this also happens in command line mode too. Random capslock activation does not happen. But once capslock is hit, all letters are written in uppercase even after capslock is pressed again to turn it off. Also, the only way to type lower case letters in this mode is to hold the shift key down as each letter is typed. This is not unique to debian either. I've made it happen in slackware too and quite a while ago too, so I suspect it's a long-standing linux kernel bug. On Tue, 31 If by command line mode you mean one of the virtual consoles, it reminds me of what happens when a username is typed in all capitals. Due to historic reasons, then the system assumes you're using a terminal (teletype?) which only has capitals available so switches to using capitals all the time. Maybe that's what you experienced... (I saw it happen to somebody a few years ago but I couldn't get it to happen on my sid system right now, so I'm not sure if that behavior has changed recently.) Jan 2012, steef wrote: Harry Putnam schreef: Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. Its not that old but is in the old style with serious stand up keys and lots of clatter when typing. I've been running thru this switch for several months and a different switch before that. I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Googling on various strings, I see this problem coming up going way back but not particularly recently or on debian. After much fiddling, looking for stuck keys, unplugging/replugging KVM/keyboard it seems to go back to normal, but the last time I haven't been able to get back to normal so running with numlock and caps lock turned on to get lowercase, normal shift activity, and ability to type numbers. I've been running that way for 2 days this time around. And since it seems to have stabilized with capslock on and I quit trying to get it back to normal. This time the numbers are working normally too, with or without numlock, long as I keep capslock on. hi, know/knew the problem. please replace your keyboard woth a new one. reg., steef Jude jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.bsf.2.01.1201310455470.82...@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120201080408.ga9...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Curt wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Can you try this with the keyboard plugged in directly *without* the KVM switch. I suspect the KVM switch is the problem. Especially if you are using a USB keyboard switch. Remember, the keyboard weighs 10 pounds! I believe that was simply an exaggeration. :-) By the way... The IBM Model M keyboard is an example of one of the finest keyboards ever made. Unicomp bought the rights to continue making that same keyboard. By all reports they are excellent. KVM switches on the other hand often cause trouble. Especially USB versions. The USB spec is terrible and every vendor implements it slightly differently. So whether something works or not is usually based upon the combination of items plugged in together. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam schreef: Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. Its not that old but is in the old style with serious stand up keys and lots of clatter when typing. I've been running thru this switch for several months and a different switch before that. I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Googling on various strings, I see this problem coming up going way back but not particularly recently or on debian. After much fiddling, looking for stuck keys, unplugging/replugging KVM/keyboard it seems to go back to normal, but the last time I haven't been able to get back to normal so running with numlock and caps lock turned on to get lowercase, normal shift activity, and ability to type numbers. I've been running that way for 2 days this time around. And since it seems to have stabilized with capslock on and I quit trying to get it back to normal. This time the numbers are working normally too, with or without numlock, long as I keep capslock on. hi, know/knew the problem. please replace your keyboard woth a new one. reg., steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f27b91a.5070...@home.nl
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
A slight variant of this also happens in command line mode too. Random capslock activation does not happen. But once capslock is hit, all letters are written in uppercase even after capslock is pressed again to turn it off. Also, the only way to type lower case letters in this mode is to hold the shift key down as each letter is typed. This is not unique to debian either. I've made it happen in slackware too and quite a while ago too, so I suspect it's a long-standing linux kernel bug. On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, steef wrote: Harry Putnam schreef: Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. Its not that old but is in the old style with serious stand up keys and lots of clatter when typing. I've been running thru this switch for several months and a different switch before that. I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Googling on various strings, I see this problem coming up going way back but not particularly recently or on debian. After much fiddling, looking for stuck keys, unplugging/replugging KVM/keyboard it seems to go back to normal, but the last time I haven't been able to get back to normal so running with numlock and caps lock turned on to get lowercase, normal shift activity, and ability to type numbers. I've been running that way for 2 days this time around. And since it seems to have stabilized with capslock on and I quit trying to get it back to normal. This time the numbers are working normally too, with or without numlock, long as I keep capslock on. hi, know/knew the problem. please replace your keyboard woth a new one. reg., steef Jude jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.bsf.2.01.1201310455470.82...@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.org writes: Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). Upper case numbers? Read it again... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871uqfqwfp@newsguy.com
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: By the way... The IBM Model M keyboard is an example of one of the finest keyboards ever made. Unicomp bought the rights to continue making that same keyboard. By all reports they are excellent. I agree. I got this one on the strength of reviews and friends advice when I grew tired of the sorry flexing, number loosing junk on the market now. Its been in use steadily for several mnths... maybe closing in on a year now and I really like it. Plus in a pinch during pitched battles with spouse, it makes an excellent self defense implement... it easily deflects various plastic and glassware missiles... it even proved effective against the proverbial skillet, but I'll admit it was only a glancing blow, and it did leave a slight visible ding in the underside. There can be a small problem when doing defensive running and using it like a shield. Bad things can happen when you hit the end of the usb cable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ty3bpgwx@newsguy.com
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam wrote: Plus in a pinch during pitched battles with spouse, it makes an excellent self defense implement... it easily deflects various plastic and glassware missiles... it even proved effective against the proverbial skillet, but I'll admit it was only a glancing blow, and it did leave a slight visible ding in the underside. There can be a small problem when doing defensive running and using it like a shield. Bad things can happen when you hit the end of the usb cable. I know this is drifting off topic and I am sorry but I can't resist. If you have seen it then this is old hat. If you haven't seen it then it is about time. Compiling http://xkcd.com/303/ Enjoy! :-) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam writes: There can be a small problem when doing defensive running and using [an IBM Model M keyboard] like a shield. Bad things can happen when you hit the end of the usb cable. And you wouldn't want to use it as an offensive weapon: too lethal. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nvbl83d@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
On 01/31/2012 06:54 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Bob Proulxb...@proulx.com writes: By the way... The IBM Model M keyboard is an example of one of the finest keyboards ever made. Unicomp bought the rights to continue making that same keyboard. By all reports they are excellent. I agree. I got this one on the strength of reviews and friends advice when I grew tired of the sorry flexing, number loosing junk on the market now. Its been in use steadily for several mnths... maybe closing in on a year now and I really like it. /snip/ I have several model M keyboards--two full size, in regular use, and one without the number pad, that I'm using now with a home-bound laptop. All of them were bought at computer flea-markets 10 or more years ago, where they were already used product. They will probably be working after I'm dead, if some numbskull doesn't throw them out for not having windows keys! There is an outfit called Clicky Keys--you can find it on the net--that refurbs original model M's for sale. They are kind of noisy for use in a business office, but at home I wouldn't trade them for anything! --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f288706.4060...@optonline.net
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. I wish I could get some of those ... I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. Did you check /etc/default/keyboard? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obtjwgrj@songoku.yagibdah.de
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 05:45, lee l...@songoku.yagibdah.de wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. I wish I could get some of those ... I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. Did you check /etc/default/keyboard? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obtjwgrj@songoku.yagibdah.de Once I remember seeing a similar problem of capslock getting turned on automatically. with one particular system. But when I opened an xterm and enter reset clear that problem used to go away. -- http://saurorja.org Twitter: @anand_sivaram
Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. Its not that old but is in the old style with serious stand up keys and lots of clatter when typing. I've been running thru this switch for several months and a different switch before that. I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Googling on various strings, I see this problem coming up going way back but not particularly recently or on debian. After much fiddling, looking for stuck keys, unplugging/replugging KVM/keyboard it seems to go back to normal, but the last time I haven't been able to get back to normal so running with numlock and caps lock turned on to get lowercase, normal shift activity, and ability to type numbers. I've been running that way for 2 days this time around. And since it seems to have stabilized with capslock on and I quit trying to get it back to normal. This time the numbers are working normally too, with or without numlock, long as I keep capslock on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipjts235@newsguy.com
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:34AM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). Upper case numbers? I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). I would say no. The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Right there is your evidence that it's not Debian-related. I had a similar problem (cheap keyboard). Sometimes logging out of X would return caps/lowercase back to normal. In any case, replacing the keyboard completely resolved the issue. I'd say you just have an old, tired keyboard. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.me all tony, all the time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120130145602.ga12...@deathstar.hsd1.ct.comcast.net
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam, 30.01.2012: Running Wheezy - kde plasma Running Debian / windows7 on a KVM switch (IOGEAR miniview 4 port DVI) Keyboard is from `Unicomp' and weighs about 10 lbs. Its not that old but is in the old style with serious stand up keys and lots of clatter when typing. I've been running thru this switch for several months and a different switch before that. I've been using the keyboard for a couple of years. All equipment has been in use a good while. I've recently started having a problem where the capslock comes on (seemingly randomly) but not the led that indicates its on. I'll be typing and suddenly I'm in caps and have to turn caps lock on (led comes on) to get back to lowercase. Even that doesn't really work, since numbers stay upper case to what ever symbols are the upper case for each (sometimes). I'm not sure if its related to debian though it did seem to start following a major update of pkgs. (No I didn't keep a list). The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Googling on various strings, I see this problem coming up going way back but not particularly recently or on debian. Probably a long shot (especially since your problem persists when you flip the KVM switch), but I remember a long time ago that in the virtual console of my laptop the windows key would turn on caps without changing the led. I'm also pretty sure I mentioned this on a thread on this list or debian-laptop. Try to find that thread. There were more ideas there. :) After much fiddling, looking for stuck keys, unplugging/replugging KVM/keyboard it seems to go back to normal, but the last time I haven't been able to get back to normal so running with numlock and caps lock turned on to get lowercase, normal shift activity, and ability to type numbers. I've been running that way for 2 days this time around. And since it seems to have stabilized with capslock on and I quit trying to get it back to normal. This time the numbers are working normally too, with or without numlock, long as I keep capslock on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120130152703.ga5...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
Harry Putnam wrote: The reason I say I'm not sure is that once it starts, even if I switch to windows 7 host through the KVM, its still stuck on caps. Can you try this with the keyboard plugged in directly *without* the KVM switch. I suspect the KVM switch is the problem. Especially if you are using a USB keyboard switch. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Capslock mystery - Recent phenomena concerning keyboard
On 2012-01-30, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Can you try this with the keyboard plugged in directly *without* the KVM switch. I suspect the KVM switch is the problem. Especially if you are using a USB keyboard switch. Remember, the keyboard weighs 10 pounds! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjidmu2.308.cu...@einstein.electron.org
