Re: Console based Word Processor
I recall that when WP 8 came out, Corel said the full version came with a text-based version, but when I took a look at what is on the Corel Linux CD-ROM (deluxe version with the full version of WP 8) I couldn't find any text-base executable. Of course, I didn't know what to look for, but I couldn't find any mention in the manual either. When I tried to install it on my potato system, it wanted to replace perl-5.005 with perl-5.004 and remove a lot of programs. I have WP 7 install on this system (in /usr/local) and don't have any perl problems with that. This could be easily fixed if one had access to the source, of course, but I guess I'll stick with the older version, which works fine (and is more stable than the Windows version). Bob On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:42:39PM -0400, Alec Smith wrote: I would doubt there's a text-based version of WordPerfect 8 on any platform... If there is, I'd love to know how to make it work. Until then, I'll stick to WP 5.1/DOS for my work. In a decade of use its never crashed or otherwise let me down. :) -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 01:03:33AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I recall that when WP 8 came out, Corel said the full version came with a text-based version, but when I took a look at what is on the Corel Linux CD-ROM (deluxe version with the full version of WP 8) I couldn't find any text-base executable. Of course, I didn't know what to look for, but I couldn't find any mention in the manual either. When I tried to install it on my potato system, it wanted to replace perl-5.005 with perl-5.004 and remove a lot of programs. I have WP 7 install on this system (in /usr/local) and don't have any perl problems with that. This could be easily fixed if one had access to the source, of course, but Actually, the source isn't required to make it compatible. The problem is that type1inst (upon which wp 8 depends) depends on perl and perl-5.005 conflicts with perl. I pulled the control file out of the type1inst package with ar and changed the dependency from perl to perl5-base and all installed without any problems. I guess I could have use the Debian type1inst package instead, but I didn't realize it existed at the time. There doesn't appear to be a text-based executable anywhere in the wp-full package, however. -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Re: Console based Word Processor
On 27, aug, 2000 at 10:00:48 +0518, USM Bish wrote: I've just this last weekend heard about WordPerfect for UNIX in version 5.something being on the CD you could buy of WordPerfect 8! It's _not_ included in the gratis download version, only the CD-edition. I don't know if it is true, but the guy who told us sounded like he had used it ... I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find WP 5.x on either of the two WP 8 CDs I have. I'd be happy to find it, though, because I believe the DOS version of WP 5.1 was one of the best software products ever created. So, if any of y'all know where it can be found exactly, please let me know. Joseph Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:38:19AM -0400, Joseph C. Tuttle wrote: I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find WP 5.x on either of the two WP 8 CDs I have. I'd be happy to find it, though, because I believe the DOS version of WP 5.1 was one of the best software products ever created. So, if any of y'all know where it can be found exactly, please let me know. It is only included in the retail server edition. Check for yourself at http://linux.corel.com/products/wp8/features.htm;.
Re: Console based Word Processor
On 01-Sep-00 Joseph C. Tuttle wrote: On 27, aug, 2000 at 10:00:48 +0518, USM Bish wrote: I've just this last weekend heard about WordPerfect for UNIX in version 5.something being on the CD you could buy of WordPerfect 8! I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find WP 5.x on either of the two WP 8 CDs I have. I'd be happy to find it, though, because I believe the DOS version of WP 5.1 was one of the best software products ever created. So, if any of y'all know where it can be found exactly, please let me know. Seconded! When WP was windowised to WP6 it lost a lot which has never come back. In particular, proper printer handling of international characters is one: WP6/7/8 has only one font for all these, different from the fonts for ASCII/iso-Latin1, and it looks awful (if it works at all). A candy GUI is no substitute for doing a proper job (though I have to admit that the WordPerfect GUI is better than the Word Imperfect one). If I could get WP5 for UNIX up on Linux I'd run for it! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 284 7749 Date: 01-Sep-00 Time: 17:06:02 -- XFMail --
Re: Console based Word Processor
On 01-Sep-00 Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:38:19AM -0400, Joseph C. Tuttle wrote: I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find WP 5.x on either of the two WP 8 CDs I have. It is only included in the retail server edition. Check for yourself at http://linux.corel.com/products/wp8/features.htm;. At that site it says: Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux Character Terminal Binary for non-GUI terminal users Note WordPerfect 8, not WordPerfect 5 Maybe this is indeed the good old WP5, but maybe it is simply WP8 with all its disadvantages and none of its advantages ... Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 284 7749 Date: 01-Sep-00 Time: 18:29:07 -- XFMail --
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:06:02PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote: If I could get WP5 for UNIX up on Linux I'd run for it! I did my share of editing in Wordperfect, too. I suppose you could try running the old DOS version in dosemu. (Don't know about licensing issues, though.) -- David Karlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Console based Word Processor
Don't know about WP8 running under GNU/L, but if it converts and saves WP5.1 documents with the same grace and style as WP8 for Windoze, no great deal. (Personal note: I was a fan of DOS WP5.1 and continued the useless trend of upgrading until I got tired as I wanted some decent compatibility with WP5.1, and now I write everything with HTML and thinking to 'upgrade' to Latex). Best to all, Ignasi On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 11:38:19AM -0400, Joseph C. Tuttle wrote: I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find WP 5.x on either of the two WP 8 CDs I have. I'd be happy to find it, though, because I believe the DOS version of WP 5.1 was one of the best software products ever created. So, if any of y'all know where it can be found exactly, please let me know. It is only included in the retail server edition. Check for yourself at http://linux.corel.com/products/wp8/features.htm;. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null ---\ From Barcelona... \ \\___ / / ___\_'_\ Still nationalizing the LAN! /\¬___/ --/ ___ Do You Yahoo!? Achetez, vendez! À votre prix! Sur http://encheres.yahoo.fr
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 03:45:51PM -0600, David Karlin wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:06:02PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote: If I could get WP5 for UNIX up on Linux I'd run for it! I did my share of editing in Wordperfect, too. I suppose you could try running the old DOS version in dosemu. (Don't know about licensing issues, though.) If you have a license for your copy, there should be no problem. I ran WP5 in dosemu for quite a while with no problems. I have a copy of Corel which includes WP8 and will take a look to see how to get the text-based version working. The manual doesn't appear to mention it. -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Re: Console based Word Processor
I would doubt there's a text-based version of WordPerfect 8 on any platform... If there is, I'd love to know how to make it work. Until then, I'll stick to WP 5.1/DOS for my work. In a decade of use its never crashed or otherwise let me down. :) On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 03:45:51PM -0600, David Karlin wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:06:02PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote: If I could get WP5 for UNIX up on Linux I'd run for it! I did my share of editing in Wordperfect, too. I suppose you could try running the old DOS version in dosemu. (Don't know about licensing issues, though.) If you have a license for your copy, there should be no problem. I ran WP5 in dosemu for quite a while with no problems. I have a copy of Corel which includes WP8 and will take a look to see how to get the text-based version working. The manual doesn't appear to mention it. -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:10:57PM +0518, USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Additional features, if present, welcome. Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? as i recall, some folks around these parts are fond of midnight commander (or `mc` for short) as a file manager/text editor combo. tip: when using 'mc' via remote access (ssh, for example) you may not be able to get your keyboard to send 'fkey' sequences properly. to get f10 you can do ESC-ZERO as a handy workaround... i use vi (elvis) myself.
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: - - Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right - justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment - (left, right and centre). You can do all this in emacs, text-mode in emacs will be just right for you. With a few key board macros defined while you work your way, and abbrevs mode on for frequently typed words, it will suit all your requirements. It will also do spell-check by calling ispell. I use only emacs for all the regular jobs, and for articles and other serious writing I use it to generate the LaTeX code. And while typing this text I have used many abbrevs that I have defined for the last 12 years. This paragraph, e.g., is justified on both sides. The bottom one is justified to the right. Emacs also has another mode called enriched text. This is needed if you want to print italics, bold and so on. Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Emacs saves in pure ASCII. Learning curve is steep, but you will never repent. Nagarjuna -- Nagarjuna G; Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR, Mumbai. INDIA --
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USM Bish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I'm actually looking for a word processor for small time
jobs like letters and other odd things that I push out on my
DMP. This type of odd jobs actually occupies 60% of my time.
I am getting tired of switching to X for such small stuff.
I have to write many small letters too. However, contrary to general
opinions, I think that (Emacs and) LaTeX provides an at least as
efficient way to type letters than standard word processors or editors
do. The trick is, to make a style file
(e.g. mypersonalletterstyle.cls) that builds the letter including
header, head items, foot items, date, signature etc, and to make a
keyboard macro for the editor of choice that generates the following
frame for the letter, e.g.:
\documentclass{mypersonalletterstyle}
\begin{document}
\begin{letter}{*name and address of adressee*}
*text of the letter here*
\closing{*closing sentence here*}
\end{letter}
\end{document}
Then, all you have to do to create a beautyful letter, is 1) activate
the keyboard macro to generate the letter frame, 2) replace the parts
between the asterixes by the actual texts and 3) LaTeX and print
the letter.
Paul Huygen
Re: Console based Word Processor
No need to cc. On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:10:11AM +0530, Nagarjuna G. wrote: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Learning curve is steep, but you will never repent. My prefered version of this: foo has a steep learning curve, but a great payoff function. substitute for foo: emacs, linux, vi, etc. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpY8W9hW1miu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Console based Word Processor
On 28 Aug 2000, Paul Huygen wrote:
USM Bish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I'm actually looking for a word processor for small time
jobs like letters and other odd things that I push out on my
DMP. This type of odd jobs actually occupies 60% of my time.
I am getting tired of switching to X for such small stuff.
I have to write many small letters too. However, contrary to general
opinions, I think that (Emacs and) LaTeX provides an at least as
efficient way to type letters than standard word processors or editors
do. The trick is, to make a style file
(e.g. mypersonalletterstyle.cls) that builds the letter including
header, head items, foot items, date, signature etc, and to make a
keyboard macro for the editor of choice that generates the following
frame for the letter, e.g.:
\documentclass{mypersonalletterstyle}
\begin{document}
\begin{letter}{*name and address of adressee*}
*text of the letter here*
\closing{*closing sentence here*}
\end{letter}
\end{document}
Then, all you have to do to create a beautyful letter, is 1) activate
the keyboard macro to generate the letter frame, 2) replace the parts
between the asterixes by the actual texts and 3) LaTeX and print
the letter.
Paul Huygen
I agree; I've done exactly this in vim.
Another possibility is to use pr. You can set up an alias to produce
the format you like; I have:
alias pr=pr -f -l 57 -o 5
I also agree that dependence on word processors is unnecessary. When I
used DOS I had a WP I liked a lot called Protext. I missed it at first
in Linux (because it won't run in dosemu). However, now I used vim (with
latex when necesssary) and can reproduce all the features I used to like
in Protext, plus some others.
Anthony
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bish believed, Surely, LaTeX (and LyX) is definitely a class apart for do- ing real fancy documents, but that's not the use that I am envisaging. I used LyX in the past as well (a good frontend for LaTex for lazy bones)! FYI, a console version of lyx is on its way--the current move is to toolkint independence, and someone is working on an ncurses version in this regard. As I still need to resubscribe (again) to the developers' list, I can't tell you any more off the cuff. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. Smeal 178(814) 375-4700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of Penn State until it pays my retainer.
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Wow ! That's news. Seems rather interesting. A console based frontend to LaTeX ! If you cannot recall the URL, is there any clue to the project/ program name so that one can search for it on one of the search engines on the net? USM Bish On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 11:27:43AM -0400, hawk wrote: bish believed, Surely, LaTeX (and LyX) is definitely a class apart for do- ing real fancy documents, but that's not the use that I am envisaging. I used LyX in the past as well (a good frontend for LaTex for lazy bones)! FYI, a console version of lyx is on its way--the current move is to toolkint independence, and someone is working on an ncurses version in this regard. As I still need to resubscribe (again) to the developers' list, I can't tell you any more off the cuff. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. Smeal 178(814) 375-4700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of Penn State until it pays my retainer.
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Wow ! That's news. Seems rather interesting. A console based frontend to LaTeX ! If you cannot recall the URL, is there any clue to the project/ program name so that one can search for it on one of the search engines on the net? It's www.lyx.org. I don't remember who is working on it, but the ncurses version will eventually make it to he light of day. There might even be an alpha-level port already; i don't know. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. Smeal 178(814) 375-4700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] These opinions will not be those of Penn State until it pays my retainer.
Console based Word Processor
A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Additional features, if present, welcome. Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? USM Bish
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Grateful for your prompt reply. No, I'm actually looking for a word processor for small time jobs like letters and other odd things that I push out on my DMP. This type of odd jobs actually occupies 60% of my time. I am getting tired of switching to X for such small stuff. The ASCII requirement is a personal fancy for portability to other applications. Perhaps asking for the moon ! I know of quite a few DOS editors capable of that inclusive of WS in non-document mode. Acorn view for the BBC used to do just that. vi editor is the thing that I am using at the moment for the small time jobs, only that the finesse of proper page breaks and justification are missing. Surely, LaTeX (and LyX) is definitely a class apart for do- ing real fancy documents, but that's not the use that I am envisaging. I used LyX in the past as well (a good frontend for LaTex for lazy bones)! Of late I have switched to a new wp called abiword ... does HTML, doc and RTF as well .. and prints fine without any further processing. All these still mean switching to X! USM Bish On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:09:53AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:10:57PM +0518, USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Would that be word processor as in not text editor? Do you know about LaTeX? Input files are created in a text editor (vi, jed, ...), passed to LaTeX which produces a .dvi file, and dvips produces a postscript file for ghostscript to send to the printer. In X, you can view it before printing it with xdvi. This is what I use for prettified documents. If you know programming, think of it as a programming language for documents. It's very powerful, there's many good books describing how to use it, and it's well supported in the free software community. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen) TopQuark Software Serv. Enquire within. [sed 's/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/@/g'] Contract programmer, server bum. Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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Got your point . I suppose emacs is the way out if all others fail. Though the concept in Unix is text processing as opposed to word processing popularised on smaller OSs, it is just possible there may be some in existance. I did a search for console word processors in Linux through various search engines. Not much joy. However, I do vaguely remember seeing a demo ncurses based wp in a Yggdrasil CD (Slackware distro) at a local vendor about three years ago. Hav'nt seen anybody using it though. USM Bish On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:19:56AM -0700, Mathew Watson wrote: On 8/27/00 at 7:10 PM USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? This isn't quite what you're looking for, but it may produce the kind of text you want. ... Years ago I used nroff, a macro processor that was used to create UNIX man pages that displayed on TTY screens. I know debian has groff, a program similar to UNIX's troff, and it must have nroff too (or at least it's equivalent). Unfortunately creating your text this way is a two part process. First you edit your text in any non WYSIWYG editor, and then you run it through nroff to produce your text. Many Linux editors allow you to run programs like nroff on the contents of a buffer. In fact, I vaguely remember doing justification in emacs. Something like M-x format-region. I would definitely look through the emacs documentation, because what you are asking for seems, to me anyway, like what emacs should be able to do natively. Hope this helps, Mat
Re: Console based Word Processor
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Additional features, if present, welcome. Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? USM Bish Try Latex ! Stéphane Gaudreault Étudiant au B.Sc. spécialisé en informatique, Université de Montréal «Le calcul est une expérience physique !»
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The Cliq suite is available at www.quad.com, it offers not only character-based word processing, but additional features such as a spreadsheet, calendar, calculator and phone book. You can download the programs from their web site and ask for a temporary key to try it out. A single user license is less than USD$ 23.00. John Kerr Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Additional features, if present, welcome. Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? USM Bish -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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On 27, aug, 2000 at 10:00:48 +0518, USM Bish wrote: snippage I did a search for console word processors in Linux through various search engines. Not much joy. However, I do vaguely remember seeing a demo ncurses based wp in a Yggdrasil CD (Slackware distro) at a local vendor about three years ago. Hav'nt seen anybody using it though. I've just this last weekend heard about WordPerfect for UNIX in version 5.something being on the CD you could buy of WordPerfect 8! It's _not_ included in the gratis download version, only the CD-edition. I don't know if it is true, but the guy who told us sounded like he had used it ... My very first exprience with WordProcessing on a PC was on a 286 running DOS and WP 5.1, I wrote a ~25 page physics paper on it, MAN it took it's time to render a page filled with formulas when I wanted to use the WYSIWYG feature! On the positive side it was very pleasant to edit formulas in it ... I'm becoming nostalgic now, but I think this might be the Perfect (pun intended) solution for you, though it is an expensive one! HTH Morten -- UNIX, reach out and grep someone!
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On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 07:10:57PM +0518, USM Bish wrote: A difficult thing to ask for in today's GUI world. I am looking for a simple light weight console app (non GUI) word processor, something like the good old WordStar (and such relics of yesteryears). Should be able to do formatting of text with left and right justification, setting of left and right margins, text alignment (left, right and centre). Preferentially should be able to save text in pure ASCII. Additional features, if present, welcome. Anybody using one, or can guide me to any ? USM Bish WordPerfect 5.x/DOS runs under DOSEMU. If you can find a copy, this might suit your needs. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpOEF1uvIRpo.pgp Description: PGP signature
