Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said:
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:00PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated:
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings, use this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c) %s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the pager.
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for sent.
how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell mutt's pager to
display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
folder-hook =sentbox 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-20.20F(%4c) %s'
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.17.2226 +0100]:
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for sent.
how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell mutt's pager to
display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
folder-hook =sentbox 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-20.20F(%4c) %s'
you'll also need a line above that one, with . instead of =sentbox and
which restores the index format to the standard. or else, visiting
your =sentbox once will change the index_format for the rest of the
session.
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Re: broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.16.0241 +0100]: i don't have 2 UIDs for one e-mail, I have two subkeys: Sorry typo. Having 2 subkeys is the problem with keyservers. Newer GPG has someoption to deal corrupted keys. do you have evidence that my key is corrupted? i just have two subkeys, that is all. why should it be corrupted? Bug in the freaking code on the keyservers. Mine is, too. keyring.d.o does not corrupt keys, it has different software (gpg itself, I think :p) -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:00PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated:
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings, use this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c) %s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the pager.
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for sent.
how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell mutt's pager to
display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
thanks,
/nori
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
* Nori Heikkinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021216 16:59]:
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:00PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated:
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings, use this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c) %s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the pager.
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for sent.
how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell mutt's pager to
display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
Well, you can do one better. Change the 'n' to an 'F' above. Then
mutt will show the author's name, unless the author is you, in which
case it shows To recipient. To determine if it's from you, mutt looks
at $alternates, which is is a regex signifying the addresses which are
yours. So set alternates = your@address and use F in your index_format,
and it will work for all your folders, and give you useful information
about each message.
Some people might like %n instead of %F, especially in the case of list
addresses, but like you see, it's dumb for a folder containing sent
messages. You could make use of both (choosing a different one
per-folder) by using folder-hooks. For my purposes, I just use
set index_format=%4C %Z %[!%b%d] %-17.17F(%?M?#%3M%4c?) %s
and don't use a folder-hook for it.
good times,
Vineet
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:02:57PM -0800, Vineet Kumar insinuated:
* Nori Heikkinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021216 16:59]:
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:00PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated:
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings,
use this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c)
%s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the
pager.
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for
sent. how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell
mutt's pager to display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
Well, you can do one better. Change the 'n' to an 'F' above. Then
mutt will show the author's name, unless the author is you, in which
case it shows To recipient. To determine if it's from you, mutt
looks at $alternates, which is is a regex signifying the addresses
which are yours. So set alternates = your@address and use F in your
index_format, and it will work for all your folders, and give you
useful information about each message.
Some people might like %n instead of %F, especially in the case of
list addresses, but like you see, it's dumb for a folder containing
sent messages. You could make use of both (choosing a different one
per-folder) by using folder-hooks. For my purposes, I just use
set index_format=%4C %Z %[!%b%d] %-17.17F(%?M?#%3M%4c?) %s
and don't use a folder-hook for it.
cool, thanks!
/nori
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.17.0151 +0100]:
okay, only one catch: that's perfect for every box except for sent.
how do i (or where should i read to find out how) tell mutt's pager to
display whom it's to, but only in the sent box?
folder-hook .set index_format = '%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F |%4c| %s'
folder-hook mass set index_format = '%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15n |%4c| %s'
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NOTE: The pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken!
Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
* Stephen Gran ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021214 13:13]: to the original, are you replying with 'L'? I think that's how mutt knows that it should insert that header. Nope, mutt uses M-F-T even when composing a message addressed to a known mailing list (either via the lists ir subscribe .muttrc statements). That is to say that replying to a message with 'L' is not necessary for M-F-T to be inserted; it gets inserted all the time when composing a message with 'm'. The list-reply function is used to generate a reply to the mailing list, honoring the author's M-F-T header if it is found and honor_followup_to is set (which it is by default, and I can't imagine why anyone would disable it -- it would be pretty rude). This differs from group-reply only in that it ensures that a reply is sent to the list, even when M-F-T doesn't include the list address. (It also sends to all recipients specified in M-F-T; it just includes the list as well if it was omitted.) good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin msg19201/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.14.1035 +0100]: NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc Which ones? wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net seems to work fine for me. i have two encryption keys on my key. wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net and all the others can only return one (the expired one). -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19210/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:26:25PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.14.1035 +0100]: NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc Which ones? wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net seems to work fine for me. i have two encryption keys on my key. wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net and all the others can only return one (the expired one). Never make 2 uid for one e-mail if you want to use buggy keyservers. :) cd /usr/share/doc/gnupg zgrep -n corrupt *.gz DETAILS.gz:211: The ASCII armor is corrupted. No arguments yet. changelog.g10.gz:513: * main.h, import.c (parse_import_options, fix_hkp_corruption, changelog.g10.gz:1932: * hkp.c (parse_hkp_index): Catch corruption in HKP index lines changelog.g10.gz:2640: * getkey.c (fixup_uidnode): Fix compression preference corruption changelog.gz:513: * main.h, import.c (parse_import_options, fix_hkp_corruption, changelog.gz:1932: * hkp.c (parse_hkp_index): Catch corruption in HKP index lines changelog.gz:2640: * getkey.c (fixup_uidnode): Fix compression preference co -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.15.1255 +0100]: Never make 2 uid for one e-mail if you want to use buggy keyservers. :) i don't have 2 UIDs for one e-mail, I have two subkeys: sub 2048g/D99FEE8D 2001-06-20 [expires: 2002-06-20] sub 2048g/900227D4 2002-06-20 [expires: 2003-06-20] if you don't have my key yet and pull it off a public keyserver, then it will not give you the 0x900227D4, just the first one. since the first one has expired, you won't be able to encrypt. what keyserver does keyring.debian.org run? it can apparently deal with it. two friends and i are working on setting up a keyserver infrastructure. maybe we'll get it far enough to ask many server admins to join so that we can finally ditch the unmaintained and neglected pgp.net keyservers. -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19232/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 05:26:37PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.15.1255 +0100]: Never make 2 uid for one e-mail if you want to use buggy keyservers. :) i don't have 2 UIDs for one e-mail, I have two subkeys: Sorry typo. Having 2 subkeys is the problem with keyservers. Newer GPG has someoption to deal corrupted keys. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: broken keyservers (was: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.16.0241 +0100]: i don't have 2 UIDs for one e-mail, I have two subkeys: Sorry typo. Having 2 subkeys is the problem with keyservers. Newer GPG has someoption to deal corrupted keys. do you have evidence that my key is corrupted? i just have two subkeys, that is all. why should it be corrupted? -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19341/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
OT: reply-to (was: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.14.0622 +0100]: Yep I know I've used L infrequently with mutt. It just so happens that most lists, even in the Unix/Linux world use reply-to, so that feature wasn't used /that/ much, personally, and I'm on a *fair amount* of comp related e-mail lists. So am I. Checking procmailrc, it's 53. And there is only 1, the Munich LUG mailing list, which uses reply-to. But it's very easy to tweak mutt to treat it just like the others... Just maybe Debian org, should run a list like everybody else. I really don't understand why a perfectly logical reply-to header, gets everyone's panties in a knot. If things are going to be that way, then you will just have to be a little more accepting of duplicate copies in your mailbox. Sorry but that's the reality of things. shrug Sure. Let's not have this discussion anymore. It's been discussed to death. Note I set a reply-to on this message. Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree I suppose. I like Debian and it's philosophy, just one little issue of this e-mail list, bothers me, or actually your reaction to you receiving a duplicate e-mail in your inbox - oh yeah your signature about getting a real e-mail client to. Very condescending. No biggie, though. I apologize. Hopefully I helped you out, by pointing you to a good CMS, that's not *NUKE. Yes, thank you! -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19119/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:40:00PM +0100, martin f krafft insinuated: also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.2227 +0100]: (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and http://larve.net/people/hugo/2000/07/ml-mutt okay, that's great -- thanks. so i put the following lines in my .muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set honor_followup_to=yes but what if i'm subscribed to more than one list? the first line isn't a problem: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] but if i do that, will messages sent to SLUG to which people reply-all be sent to debian-user? i'm confused on this point. thanks, /nori -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/ // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net ^`~'^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said: on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:40:00PM +0100, martin f krafft insinuated: also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.2227 +0100]: (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and http://larve.net/people/hugo/2000/07/ml-mutt okay, that's great -- thanks. so i put the following lines in my .muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set honor_followup_to=yes but what if i'm subscribed to more than one list? the first line isn't a problem: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] but if i do that, will messages sent to SLUG to which people reply-all be sent to debian-user? i'm confused on this point. thanks, /nori You don't need the Mail-Followup-To: line. From man muttrc: followup_to Type: boolean Default: yes Controls whether or not the Mail-Followup-To header field is generated when sending mail. When set, Mutt will generate this field when you are replying to a known mailing list, specified with the subscribe or lists commands. It's set by default if you specify this address as a mailing list with either 'subscribe' or 'list'. honor_followup_to also defaults to yes, so you shouldn't have to mess with this. HTH, -- -- | Stephen Gran | Tali be vewwy vewwy qwuiet .. I'm | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | huntin wuntime ewwos| | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -- msg19144/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:27:43PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated: This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said: but if i do that, will messages sent to SLUG to which people reply-all be sent to debian-user? i'm confused on this point. thanks, /nori You don't need the Mail-Followup-To: line. From man muttrc: followup_to Type: boolean Default: yes Controls whether or not the Mail-Followup-To header field is generated when sending mail. When set, Mutt will generate this field when you are replying to a known mailing list, specified with the subscribe or lists commands. It's set by default if you specify this address as a mailing list with either 'subscribe' or 'list'. honor_followup_to also defaults to yes, so you shouldn't have to mess with this. oh, sweet. okay. so i've probably had it set already :) thanks! /nori -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/ // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net ^`~'^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said: oh, sweet. okay. so i've probably had it set already :) thanks! /nori Hmmm . . . just now, looking at your headers, you don't have it set. Not sure why, though - perhaps either send me a link to your .muttrc, or send it privately? -- -- | Stephen Gran | It's gonna be alright, It's almost | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | midnight, And I've got two more bottles | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | of wine.| -- msg19157/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:56:23PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated: This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said: oh, sweet. okay. so i've probably had it set already :) Hmmm . . . just now, looking at your headers, you don't have it set. Not sure why, though - perhaps either send me a link to your .muttrc, or send it privately? probably because i'm sending mail not from my computer, because (other post) i can't download mail there for now. so i just modified my muttrc on this machine, to say subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] and doing that made everything in my debian-user inbox appear to be from me (not in the headers, just in the pager). crzy ... that error aside, though, should the above line do it? thanks again, /nori -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/ // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net ^`~'^ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 the mental interface of Nori Heikkinen told: on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:56:23PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated: This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said: oh, sweet. okay. so i've probably had it set already :) Hmmm . . . just now, looking at your headers, you don't have it set. Not sure why, though - perhaps either send me a link to your .muttrc, or send it privately? To reply to a mailing list you have to type L and not r ;-) Ciao Elimar -- Ersatz des Zufalls durch den Irrtum. -unknown- msg19161/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said:
probably because i'm sending mail not from my computer, because (other
post) i can't download mail there for now. so i just modified my
muttrc on this machine, to say
subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and doing that made everything in my debian-user inbox appear to be
from me (not in the headers, just in the pager). crzy ...
that error aside, though, should the above line do it?
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings, use this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c) %s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the pager. Back
to the original, are you replying with 'L'? I think that's how mutt
knows that it should insert that header.
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Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 12:19:18PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:40:00PM +0100, martin f krafft insinuated: also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.2227 +0100]: (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and http://larve.net/people/hugo/2000/07/ml-mutt okay, that's great -- thanks. so i put the following lines in my .muttrc: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set honor_followup_to=yes but what if i'm subscribed to more than one list? the first line isn't a problem: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] but if i do that, will messages sent to SLUG to which people reply-all be sent to debian-user? i'm confused on this point. Put all the lists, or patterns matching the lists you are subscribed to in one subscribe line: subscribe debian- linux-ipsec moddev omnitech visionary vistech The first pattern matches debian-* lists, the second the linux-ipsec list, the last four are for my (former) employer. Prolly I should remove those :) mutt is smart enough to set M-F-T to the proper list once it has detected that you are replying to a list mentioned in the subscribe line. HTH, -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Content Management System sought
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 11:40:00PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.2227 +0100]: (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and http://larve.net/people/hugo/2000/07/ml-mutt Or for the terminally lazy (like me) add a line like this for each list you use: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mutt handles the rest for you. NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc Which ones? wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net seems to work fine for me. -rob msg19187/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
also sprach Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.14.2114 +0100]: To reply to a mailing list you have to type L and not r ;-) i have all my listmail filed by procmail underneath the =mass/ hierarchy, so i can do this: folder-hook .bind index g group-reply ; bind pager g group-reply folder-hook mass bind index g list-reply ; bind pager g list-reply and i just hit 'g' to reply to all my mails, or 'r' if i really just want the author. if i get list mail under =mass, list-reply is called, and the To and Cc field field in according to the original messages M-F-T header. if that's not set, the reply just goes to the list. if i get a mail addresses to multiple people, then the reply goes to all. if i hit 'r' no matter whether it's mass or non-mass-but-multiple-recipients mail, then only the author receives it. nice, isn't it? -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19189/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailto followup headers (was: Re: Content Management System sought)
on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:13:00PM -0500, Stephen Gran insinuated:
This one time, at band camp, Nori Heikkinen said:
probably because i'm sending mail not from my computer, because
(other post) i can't download mail there for now. so i just
modified my muttrc on this machine, to say
subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and doing that made everything in my debian-user inbox appear to
be from me (not in the headers, just in the pager). crzy ...
that error aside, though, should the above line do it?
It _should_, but it didn't. To fix the crazy pager settings, use
this
folder-hook . 'set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b%d} %-15.15n(%4c) %s'
It makes the From: appear normally for mailing lists in the pager.
awesome, that's great. thanks!
Back to the original, are you replying with 'L'? I think that's how
mutt knows that it should insert that header.
i've got martin's setup (see his email).
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Re: Content Management System sought
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.1927 +0100]: If it's just xfree86-common, that shouldn't be too much of a problem ... that package doesn't contain much. It's xlibs mainly. The 'client libraries' which I shouldn't need on a server, even if it does CMS. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18860/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach Charlie Reiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.1936 +0100]: True. And most Zopers think DTML is evil as well and folks should be switching to ZPT. But I understand your need to keep the users happy. Can you point me to a ZPT reference? Sounds awesome... So there's a bit of a holy war going on. If your users need PHP they might be happy with Zope's PHP stuff but as the admin, you'll probably need to learn some DTML to set up support pages. I have no problem with that. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18861/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.2101 +0100]: note thats a source package :) last time I tried it, it wasn't really worth it, the person who made it, didn't really complete it so its pretty much like packaging a few .tar.gz files into a .deb with a README. right. i have since dropped the package. it sucks. it should be removed from debian, or packaged properly. How could it pass QA? and as colin mentioned xfree86-common isn't much, just a few things. You may hate more that it depends upon qt(at least older versions did) for DOM (qtdom). Newer versions may of dropped that dependancy. I think the last version I installed was about 8 months ago. it only depends on xlibs, not qt. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18862/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.2158 +0100]: Check out WebGUI - I'm surprised no-one has suggested it, one of the best Linux CMS. It needs MySQL and ImageMagick too. the latter is not a problem. The former is. I run postgres only and would never switch. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18928/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
Do you know any other software pieces that feature the above and are preferably contained in Debian? My advice would be to look into PostNuke http://www.postnuke.com with various modules (e.g. phpWiki). I run it on http://www.debianhelp.org and I think you'll see all the features there that you're looking for. PostNuke does exist as a Debian package, but it changes rapidly and I'm not sure how recent the Debian package is. -- Regards, | What's free software? - Free speech? Free beer? .| Randy| http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: martin f krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:35 AM To: debian users Subject: Re: Content Management System sought also sprach Charlie Reiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.1936 +0100]: True. And most Zopers think DTML is evil as well and folks should be switching to ZPT. But I understand your need to keep the users happy. Can you point me to a ZPT reference? Sounds awesome... http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/index_html http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/ZPT.stx Everything is at zope.org. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1825 +0100]: It needs MySQL and ImageMagick too. the latter is not a problem. The former is. I run postgres only and would never switch. Yeah Postgres is much better and WebGUI will work with it. Perhaps take a look at http://www.plainblack.com/product_comparison. Why does it need DBD::mysql then? also, the ./docs/* files in the latest (release candidate) files only mention MySQL, postgres is never mentioned. oh wait, that's because the above URL compares version 5.0.0, but i can onlly download 4.9.2 from the webpage. http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/5.x.x/ is empty PS: please read the first line of my signature... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18952/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
On 12/13/2002 11:13 AM, martin f krafft pounded the keyboard with stubby fingers to type: It needs MySQL and ImageMagick too. the latter is not a problem. The former is. I run postgres only and would never switch. Yeah Postgres is much better and WebGUI will work with it. Perhaps take a look at http://www.plainblack.com/product_comparison. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1832 +0100]: My advice would be to look into PostNuke http://www.postnuke.com with various modules (e.g. phpWiki). I run it on http://www.debianhelp.org and I think you'll see all the features there that you're looking for. PostNuke does exist as a Debian package, but it changes rapidly and I'm not sure how recent the Debian package is. Sure, but it's that three-column architecture which I can't stand. I want regular webpages. None of that spiffy slashdotty look. This is to replace the pages at http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/ailab if you care to look at it. Also, please read the first line in my signature. Thanks though! -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18959/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
On 12/13/2002 12:30 PM, martin f krafft pounded the keyboard with stubby fingers to type: Why does it need DBD::mysql then? also, the ./docs/* files in the latest (release candidate) files only mention MySQL, postgres is never mentioned. oh wait, that's because the above URL compares version 5.0.0, but i can onlly download 4.9.2 from the webpage. http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/5.x.x/ is empty I really don't know, I don't use it with PostgresSQL. However I'm sure if you contact Plainback software directly or ask on their user forums http://www.plainblack.com/discuss?wid=4func=viewpn=10, they'll be more than happy to help you out. It should be pointed out, that while the app is OSS, Plainback makes money by supporting it, it's their only source of revenue. PS: please read the first line of my signature... I used mutt for a long time, however I've recently switched to Mozilla, and because the list isn't set up in a user friendly way, I have to either do a reply all or manually type in debian and let it auto complete (which I usually do). Sometimes I forget to remove the individual reply. Perhaps the powers that be, should rethink this e-mail list policy. It definitely isn't user friendly and I'm using a real e-mail client. Not everyone uses mutt you know, and I'm not going to fire it up simply to use this list. My days of using mutt are behind me. Sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/13/2002 12:30 PM, martin f krafft pounded the keyboard with stubby fingers to type: also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1825 +0100]: It needs MySQL and ImageMagick too. the latter is not a problem. The former is. I run postgres only and would never switch. Yeah Postgres is much better and WebGUI will work with it. Perhaps take a look at http://www.plainblack.com/product_comparison. Why does it need DBD::mysql then? also, the ./docs/* files in the latest (release candidate) files only mention MySQL, postgres is never mentioned. oh wait, that's because the above URL compares version 5.0.0, but i can onlly download 4.9.2 from the webpage. http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/5.x.x/ is empty Just to follow up, found some additional information. Here is a page from the website detailing how to get it working with PostgreSQL. Should answer your questions, btw they have an excellent website and all this information can be found rather easily. ;) http://www.plainblack.com/postgresql -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Content Management System sought
What about Back-End? (http://sourceforge.net/projects/back-end/) Disclaimer: I know nothing about it, just happened to run across it yesterday. ap -- Andrew J Perrin - http://www.unc.edu/~aperrin Assistant Professor of Sociology, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] * andrew_perrin (at) unc.edu On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1832 +0100]: My advice would be to look into PostNuke http://www.postnuke.com with various modules (e.g. phpWiki). I run it on http://www.debianhelp.org and I think you'll see all the features there that you're looking for. PostNuke does exist as a Debian package, but it changes rapidly and I'm not sure how recent the Debian package is. Sure, but it's that three-column architecture which I can't stand. I want regular webpages. None of that spiffy slashdotty look. This is to replace the pages at http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/ailab if you care to look at it. Also, please read the first line in my signature. Thanks though! -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1849 +0100]: I really don't know, I don't use it with PostgresSQL. However I'm sure if you contact Plainback software directly or ask on their user forums http://www.plainblack.com/discuss?wid=4func=viewpn=10, they'll be more than happy to help you out. It should be pointed out, that while the app is OSS, Plainback makes money by supporting it, it's their only source of revenue. Ok. I will try my luck there. Perhaps the powers that be, should rethink this e-mail list policy. No, please don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18984/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:55:43PM +0100, martin f krafft insinuated: also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1849 +0100]: Perhaps the powers that be, should rethink this e-mail list policy. No, please don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html okay, i've read this -- what i want to know is, (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and (b) how is that not in conflict with munging headers? /nori -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/ // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net ^`~'^ msg19013/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach Andrew Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.1939 +0100]: What about Back-End? (http://sourceforge.net/projects/back-end/) MySQL. Over my dead body ;^ Thanks though! -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19019/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.13.2227 +0100]: (a) how do i set up Mail-Followup-To, for a specific list, and http://larve.net/people/hugo/2000/07/ml-mutt (b) how is that not in conflict with munging headers? huh? because you don't munge headers that way, you just tell the recipients whether you would like to be included in the reply or not. period. Check the Mail-Followup-To header on this message for an idea. -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19027/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
On 12/13/2002 1:55 PM, martin f krafft pounded the keyboard with stubby fingers to type: Perhaps the powers that be, should rethink this e-mail list policy. No, please don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Well, If you followed the principle laid out in that memorandum, you'd accept replies to your inbox, as a reply-all does that. I don't agree with the way the list is setup btw. It's too unweldy for the reasons I outlined previously. Anyway whatever - I'll deal with it. I'm just not going to be as eager to help as I could. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.14.0107 +0100]: Well, If you followed the principle laid out in that memorandum, you'd accept replies to your inbox, as a reply-all does that. I don't agree with the way the list is setup btw. It's too unweldy for the reasons I outlined previously. You are right, I meant to post a different link, which I now can't find anymore. Dammit. The point being - a proper mailer like mutt makes dealing with lists very easy. If you prefer Mozilla, then you might want to consider helping out to get that functionality into Mozilla... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg19049/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
On 12/13/2002 8:42 PM, martin f krafft pounded the keyboard with stubby fingers to type: The point being - a proper mailer like mutt makes dealing with lists very easy. If you prefer Mozilla, then you might want to consider helping out to get that functionality into Mozilla... Yep I know I've used L infrequently with mutt. It just so happens that most lists, even in the Unix/Linux world use reply-to, so that feature wasn't used /that/ much, personally, and I'm on a *fair amount* of comp related e-mail lists. Just maybe Debian org, should run a list like everybody else. I really don't understand why a perfectly logical reply-to header, gets everyone's panties in a knot. If things are going to be that way, then you will just have to be a little more accepting of duplicate copies in your mailbox. Sorry but that's the reality of things. shrug I do find it strange that Mozilla doesn't have a Group function, but hey it's under development. There's no way I'm going backward to mutt, it had it's day and I used it for 6 years, as well as slrn. Times change, and I find that for work I need a client that deals with business mail better. Using two clients just isn't feasible. Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree I suppose. I like Debian and it's philosophy, just one little issue of this e-mail list, bothers me, or actually your reaction to you receiving a duplicate e-mail in your inbox - oh yeah your signature about getting a real e-mail client to. Very condescending. No biggie, though. Hopefully I helped you out, by pointing you to a good CMS, that's not *NUKE. -- Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. (Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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also sprach nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.0011 +0100]: there is a source package for eZpublish but I reccomend going with the real distribution, probably more up to date(last I checked there was no binary distribution included with debian 3). there's one for woody: pool/main/e/ezpublish/ezpublish-src_2.2.6-0.woody.1_all.deb but my first negative argument: it depends on libmagic and thus pulls in xfree86-common, which I don't want or need on a server. anyway, i'll give it a shot... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18684/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach Charlie Reiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.0017 +0100]: Zope does do PHP: http://www.zope.org/Members/hewei/PHParser cool. I haven't used it. I can't imagine why you'd want to support PHP in Zope if you are starting from scratch. because i am only the admin and need to make other people use zope to make maintaining our site a cooperative endeavour. and they know HTML and PHP, no way to teach them DTML. Zope also talks to just about any SQL database you can think of. And provides through the web editing. And more packages than you can shake a whole bushel of sticks at. where can i find a package repository to browse for cool stuff i might (not) need (but want). Join the zope.org mailing list and just lurk for a while if you want to get a feel for what people are doing and how complex it is and what's possible. I doubt you'll find a better free system for medium to small sites. will do. that's what i heard and i have been using zope before. but this time it's about regular users using it... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18686/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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also sprach Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.0403 +0100]: postnuke the debian package needs mysql. no way! postgres here. phpnuke this is totally slashdot like, is it not? (and so is postnuke)? tikiwiki it's a wiki. we don't want a wiki. we want a CMS. i know that a wiki is a type of CMS, but it's not a full-fledged CMS, no matter how many extra features. we also don't want this classic three column view (like http://magasinet.startsiden.no/, which uses ezpublish). we want to maintain regular webpages without much graphics and fuzz. but we want a common look, easy editing features and the ability to use scripts. i think there's nothing that comes close to zope... -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18687/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:56:32PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.0011 +0100]: there is a source package for eZpublish but I reccomend going with the real distribution, probably more up to date(last I checked there was no binary distribution included with debian 3). there's one for woody: pool/main/e/ezpublish/ezpublish-src_2.2.6-0.woody.1_all.deb but my first negative argument: it depends on libmagic and thus pulls in xfree86-common, which I don't want or need on a server. If it's just xfree86-common, that shouldn't be too much of a problem ... that package doesn't contain much. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Content Management System sought
-Original Message- From: martin f krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:59 AM To: debian users Subject: Re: Content Management System sought also sprach Charlie Reiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.12.12.0017 +0100]: Zope does do PHP: http://www.zope.org/Members/hewei/PHParser cool. I haven't used it. I can't imagine why you'd want to support PHP in Zope if you are starting from scratch. because i am only the admin and need to make other people use zope to make maintaining our site a cooperative endeavour. and they know HTML and PHP, no way to teach them DTML. True. And most Zopers think DTML is evil as well and folks should be switching to ZPT. But I understand your need to keep the users happy. Quick summary of DTML vs. ZPT: DTML is older and looks like PHP or ASP: magic tags perform text replacements. This has the obvious drawbacks: You can't use wizzy editors, you can't validate the page, you can't preview it easily... Enter ZPT. Zope Page Templates address these issues by defining pages as XML. All macro expansion happens as a result of magic element attributes. Works great but has new problems: Pages are XML so parsing is slower, arguably harder to read since there is no visual structure to XML attributes, and being in XML means you can't apply ZPT to non-XML entities, such as SQL queries. DTML handles SQL queries just fine. So there's a bit of a holy war going on. If your users need PHP they might be happy with Zope's PHP stuff but as the admin, you'll probably need to learn some DTML to set up support pages. Zope also talks to just about any SQL database you can think of. And provides through the web editing. And more packages than you can shake a whole bushel of sticks at. where can i find a package repository to browse for cool stuff i might (not) need (but want). http://www.zope.org of course. Click on Download. Beware of old, crufty packages though. Stuff often gets released then dropped. If you want to see an example of a foam padded zope for average janes, visit freezope.org. They're running a free (yes, free) site that anyone can join and fiddle around in. They've got it restricted so you can't hang youself too easily but it should give you an idea of what is possible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Content Management System sought
martin f krafft said: there's one for woody: pool/main/e/ezpublish/ezpublish-src_2.2.6-0.woody.1_all.deb but my first negative argument: it depends on libmagic and thus pulls in xfree86-common, which I don't want or need on a server. note thats a source package :) last time I tried it, it wasn't really worth it, the person who made it, didn't really complete it so its pretty much like packaging a few .tar.gz files into a .deb with a README. and as colin mentioned xfree86-common isn't much, just a few things. You may hate more that it depends upon qt(at least older versions did) for DOM (qtdom). Newer versions may of dropped that dependancy. I think the last version I installed was about 8 months ago. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content Management System sought
Folks, My lab wants to institute a CMS to handle the entire website. I have a little experience with Zope and it's pretty nice, but I would like to get some alternatives before suggesting it. We basically need: - a simple way to provide a common look to all pages - a simple web-based way to edit pages - authentication, obviously - allowing PHP code to be used within the CMS would rock (i think zope doesn't allow that) - integration of modules, like a wiki or a news/portal site Do you know any other software pieces that feature the above and are preferably contained in Debian? Midgard relies on MySQL, which I am not going to use (postgres here), so that's not an option. Note: I am not looking for slashcode or the like, I would like to be able to do complete site management. Has anyone looked at DaCode, it advertises complete site management... thanks, -- Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc msg18529/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Content Management System sought
martin f krafft said: Folks, My lab wants to institute a CMS to handle the entire website. I have a little experience with Zope and it's pretty nice, but I would like to get some alternatives before suggesting it. We basically need: how about eZpublish? http://developer.ez.no/ its very powerful, entirely web based, very complex(lots of dependencies, most are easily satisfied with debian 3 though). i've been using it for about a year and a half, it works quite well. It's fully PHP based, as a result you really need to know PHP to be able to customize the interface, which i don't know so it was difficult to customize my interface. there is a source package for eZpublish but I reccomend going with the real distribution, probably more up to date(last I checked there was no binary distribution included with debian 3). nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Content Management System sought
-Original Message- From: martin f krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:37 PM To: debian users Subject: Content Management System sought Folks, My lab wants to institute a CMS to handle the entire website. I have a little experience with Zope and it's pretty nice, but I would like to get some alternatives before suggesting it. We basically need: - a simple way to provide a common look to all pages - a simple web-based way to edit pages - authentication, obviously - allowing PHP code to be used within the CMS would rock (i think zope doesn't allow that) - integration of modules, like a wiki or a news/portal site Do you know any other software pieces that feature the above and are preferably contained in Debian? Midgard relies on MySQL, which I am not going to use (postgres here), so that's not an option. Note: I am not looking for slashcode or the like, I would like to be able to do complete site management. Has anyone looked at DaCode, it advertises complete site management... Zope does do PHP: http://www.zope.org/Members/hewei/PHParser I haven't used it. I can't imagine why you'd want to support PHP in Zope if you are starting from scratch. Zope also talks to just about any SQL database you can think of. And provides through the web editing. And more packages than you can shake a whole bushel of sticks at. Join the zope.org mailing list and just lurk for a while if you want to get a feel for what people are doing and how complex it is and what's possible. I doubt you'll find a better free system for medium to small sites. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Content Management System sought
-- martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 11 December 2002, 11:36 PM +0100): My lab wants to institute a CMS to handle the entire website. I have a little experience with Zope and it's pretty nice, but I would like to get some alternatives before suggesting it. We basically need: - a simple way to provide a common look to all pages - a simple web-based way to edit pages - authentication, obviously - allowing PHP code to be used within the CMS would rock (i think zope doesn't allow that) - integration of modules, like a wiki or a news/portal site Do you know any other software pieces that feature the above and are preferably contained in Debian? Midgard relies on MySQL, which I am not going to use (postgres here), so that's not an option. Note: I am not looking for slashcode or the like, I would like to be able to do complete site management. Take a look at: postnuke phpnuke tikiwiki All are CMS', and all have a variety of optional plugin modules; I *believe* all of them can use a variety of database backends (tikiwiki utilizes PEAR-DB, which allows postres, mysql, odbc, and a handful of others). The *nuke scripts are both in the debian archive; tikiwiki can be found at http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net/ . -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
