Re: easy package manager for debian based distros
On Sat 09 Jul 2022 at 08:58:36 (-0400), Devin Harper wrote: [reordered into some sort of logical order] > please add the most necessary and common examples of package management > with apt to the synopsis of "man apt". > the commands that should be in the synopsis are "sudo apt update", > "apt search [app name]", "sudo apt install [app name]", "sudo apt upgrade", > "sudo apt remove [app name]", "sudo apt purge [app name]", " sudo apt > autoremove". You obviously know what you want this synopsis to look like, so I suggest you get writing, rather than leaving it up to someone else to second-guess what it is you want. > this will act as a readme for all > debian based distros to use apt as their only package manager. > then distros can just say read "man apt" upon install and look > at the synopsis section to tell people how to use their/your package > manager. That presumably means that you're going to collate all the options etc that are documented alsewhere, so that they all appear under man apt. > then we can get rid of the inferior and discrete guis for package > management. > cli package > management is way better than ubuntu's software package manager for > example. You seem to have forgotten about visual tools that are text-based, such as aptitude. Where do these fit into your grand scheme? Finally, it's not in the nature of free software to be proscriptive about what's available. People will continue to write whatever software they feel like writing despite your judgmentalism. Cheers, David.
easy package manager for debian based distros
hi please add the most necessary and common examples of package management with apt to the synopsis of "man apt". this will act as a readme for all debian based distros to use apt as their only package manager. cli package management is way better than ubuntu's software package manager for example. the commands that should be in the synopsis are "sudo apt update", "apt search [app name]", "sudo apt install [app name]", "sudo apt upgrade", "sudo apt remove [app name]", "sudo apt purge [app name]", " sudo apt autoremove". then distros can just say read "man apt" upon install and look at the synopsis section to tell people how to use their/your package manager. then we can get rid of the inferior and discrete guis for package management. sincerely devin wesley harper
What's customized in Debian-based distros?
I've heard people advocate the newbie-kindness of distros like Ubuntu and Mepis. If ultimately they use the same set of packages, then what's different at a technical level between these and plain old Debian? Do they differe merely in the set of initially installed packages and what they do under /etc ? Thanks, Christian -- Christian Convey Computer Scientist, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, RI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's customized in Debian-based distros?
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 08:39 -0500, Christian Convey wrote: I've heard people advocate the newbie-kindness of distros like Ubuntu and Mepis. If ultimately they use the same set of packages, then what's different at a technical level between these and plain old Debian? Do they differe merely in the set of initially installed packages and what they do under /etc ? Usually, it's: - A custom installer - Custom h/w detection - A mix of Sarge, Sid non-Debian packages (like mplayer) - Extra (GUI, usually) apps to make configuration easier - Customized menus. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore - Internet Sun Microsystems - Clusters signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: What's customized in Debian-based distros?
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 08:39 -0500, Christian Convey wrote: I've heard people advocate the newbie-kindness of distros like Ubuntu and Mepis. If ultimately they use the same set of packages, then what's different at a technical level between these and plain old Debian? Do they differe merely in the set of initially installed packages and what they do under /etc ? This is probably more specificity than you wanted. But here is an exact list of what's different in ubunutu: http://patches.ubuntulinux.org/patches/ -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 08:09:08PM -0400, stan wrote: What distribution would you point apt-sources to to upgrade a Progeny machine? stable? At this point, Progeny is so far gone, taking the sources.list from a stable machine should work. I recommend purging down to just the base packages before trying to migrate, though, to reduce potential problems. sid is unstableright? Yes. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/g5+jUzgNqloQMwcRAsgBAKCAd9V6Xy6tpdrCPDsUdw3Tn3ri4QCffZ0a kZmdmIXLFuVYNzO+/yvGibo= =90/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian-based distros ??
I've recently built a new box for myself and would like to put Linux back on it. I started with RH back between their 5.0 and 5.1 release, switched to Mandrake for a while, and have been running Debian (unstable) for a couple years or more. I'm tempted to take the easy way out and just add the old hard drive to my new machine and run things this way, but there's a few good reasons not to. 1) Old cruft I don't want to deal with. 2) New, fresh installs from scrath are always better. 3) The old hard drive is partitioned up between EXT3, Fat32, and Fat16 partitions. It is a 20gb drive total, with approx 10gb as EXT3 (and likely not even half-filled at that). So for me, wiping it clean and running all 20gb for Debian may be wasted space, but still the easiest to do. As mentioned, I ran Debian unstable for years with no problems. Why unstable ?? I often want newer versions of packages than stable provides... Why do 80% of unstable users use it ?? Probably the same. So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Thanks and regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
on Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 09:51:59AM -0400, Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've recently built a new box for myself and would like to put Linux back on it. I started with RH back between their 5.0 and 5.1 release, switched to Mandrake for a while, and have been running Debian (unstable) for a couple years or more. I'm tempted to take the easy way out and just add the old hard drive to my new machine and run things this way, but there's a few good reasons not to. 1) Old cruft I don't want to deal with. 2) New, fresh installs from scrath are always better. 3) The old hard drive is partitioned up between EXT3, Fat32, and Fat16 partitions. It is a 20gb drive total, with approx 10gb as EXT3 (and likely not even half-filled at that). So for me, wiping it clean and running all 20gb for Debian may be wasted space, but still the easiest to do. As mentioned, I ran Debian unstable for years with no problems. Why unstable ?? I often want newer versions of packages than stable provides... Why do 80% of unstable users use it ?? Probably the same. http://www.debian.org/releases/ Specifically: see testing. So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Knoppix aims to produce a bootable, runnable, fairly complete desktop system. It succeeds relatively well at this. Installing to HD is possible, but the mix of stable, unstable, testing, and other sources is somewhat ungodly. I'd pick straight Debian myself. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? user-agent considered harmful. Encourage W3M standards: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserContentString signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian-based distros ??
At 11:49 AM 10/6/2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Knoppix aims to produce a bootable, runnable, fairly complete desktop system. It succeeds relatively well at this. Installing to HD is possible, but the mix of stable, unstable, testing, and other sources is somewhat ungodly. I sent this before I actually started *reading* Knoppix's page... :-) I guess I was thinking of Libranet instead, not Knoppix, espcially being that it normally runs off of a CD. I sure don't want that. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
Hall Stevenson wrote: I sent this before I actually started *reading* Knoppix's page... :-) I guess I was thinking of Libranet instead, not Knoppix, espcially being that it normally runs off of a CD. I sure don't want that. indeed it runs off of a CD - nevertheless you can copy it to your hd using the command knx-hdinstall. This is a nice script that will ask for some information (where to copy the files to, partitioning, root-pass etc.) my installation is based on Knoppix right now because last time I tried woody i had problems installing it at the far end of my 80GigHD. At the moment I am pretty happy with Knoppix because installing it was almost a matter of seconds and it works pretty fine so far! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 12:09:15PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 11:49 AM 10/6/2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Knoppix aims to produce a bootable, runnable, fairly complete desktop system. It succeeds relatively well at this. Installing to HD is possible, but the mix of stable, unstable, testing, and other sources is somewhat ungodly. I sent this before I actually started *reading* Knoppix's page... :-) I guess I was thinking of Libranet instead, not Knoppix, espcially being that it normally runs off of a CD. I sure don't want that. A general wor of wisdom here, for what it's worth. I once made the mistake of allowing myself to be sucked in by the siren song of these offshot distors. As a result I am stuck with 2 machines (one at home, and one at work), bith of which I still actively use, but can't, in any reasonable way, update. Both machines were, at one time, lot's nicer than the Debian mainstream at that tiem. In mycase it was Progey, who sure looked like they would be around :-( -- They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
stan wrote: A general wor of wisdom here, for what it's worth. I once made the mistake of allowing myself to be sucked in by the siren song of these offshot distors. As a result I am stuck with 2 machines (one at home, and one at work), bith of which I still actively use, but can't, in any reasonable way, update. Both machines were, at one time, lot's nicer than the Debian mainstream at that tiem. In mycase it was Progey, who sure looked like they would be around :-( So why can't you update? I ask because I've installed via libranet and knoppix (as well as the usual debian installer), and I haven't had this problem. Sure, knoppix jumped the gun on packageing X 4.3 and I had a couple minor problems with it, but it was easily fixed. Further the dist-upgrade to sid was a little bumpy, but thats to be expected anyhow. Are you saying that you cant upgrade to stable? Just wondering what the problem was. I've known people running testing who've backed out to stable, so there must be a way you can 'get back on track' so to speak. Then again, your definition of reasonable may differ from mine. -- Mental ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Torah... The Gospels... The Koran... Each claimed as the infallible word of GOD. Misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, and misapplied. Maybe that's why he doesn't do any more interviews. - sinfest.net CARPE NOCTEM, QUAM MINIMUM CREDULA POSTERO. GPG public key: http://www.neverlight.com/pas/Mental.asc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian-based distros ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 October 2003 08:06 pm, Mental Patient wrote: Sure, knoppix jumped the gun on packageing X 4.3 and I had a couple minor problems with it, but it was easily fixed. Further the dist-upgrade to sid was a little bumpy, but thats to be expected anyhow. Mental: Please forgive me jumping in here, I have just finished a Knoppix hard disk install, and need guideance in how to convert to unstable. The last time I tried I ended up with several version of hotplug and several essential files went missing, It was a horrible mess. But I need to move to unstable as there are several apps I need to run and they are only avalible there. So I was wondering if you could help me convert to unstable? Or point me to some good documentation/how-to's. Being brand-new to debian is not helping. I would have installed woody, but I was unable to get x working. Thanks for any help you can offer. - -- Ralph ** Debian Linux: testing/unstable 2.4.22 xfs kernel ralphfdewitt on Yahoo and Aim ralphdewitt on Jabber Signed and Encrypted Mail Encouraged ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gTUvu29DXA3iCF0RAtC4AJ93NrHutFH5wjr0oovvMdwq7aJVEACeKE3O ZXtMAyuPo+tzgWomZhkIbGc= =j/sy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
Ralph F. De Witt wrote: Mental: Please forgive me jumping in here, I have just finished a Knoppix hard disk install, and need guideance in how to convert to unstable. The last time I tried I ended up with several version of hotplug and several essential files went missing, It was a horrible mess. But I need to move to unstable as there are several apps I need to run and they are only avalible there. So I was wondering if you could help me convert to unstable? Or point me to some good documentation/how-to's. Being brand-new to debian is not helping. I would have installed woody, but I was unable to get x working. Thanks for any help you can offer. Ok, in no particular order here's the essentials of what I did. Keep in mind I've been using debian for.. a while. Several years, and I'm still learning. I also tend to brute force things, so I'm sure there are more elegant solutions. I'm by no means an expert an package management yet. I abuse having broadband and have no issues with purging all of kde/gnome/X11 and reinstalling if it fixes a weird dependency problem. The first thing I did was backup my sources.list and my list of installed packages. Just make a backup copy of the sources.list. To store the list of installed packages on your system, just do: dpkg --get-selections selections.txt Next, I pruned down the actual sources.list to only the unstable entries as well as an entry for a couple things I wanted fetched from unofficial apt repositories. I also removed the apt-pinning that was going on. Next I did an apt-get update followed by an apt-get dist-upgrade. Read whats on hold. See what is going to be removed. Proceeding WILL break things in the sort term, so read this whole email before giving this a try. :) If, during the dist-upgrade dpkg bails out saying package X conflicts with package Y, I'll apt-get remove both (one could be testing, the other unstable). Same with dependency problems. The list of removed software in my case was minimal. After I can run apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm as up to date as possible, I'll tackle the missing packges. This usually takes several itterations of apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get -f install. Read the error messages, they pretty much tell you what to type. During the upgrade some pieces probably broke. Some app I use all the time was purged (by me) because it was getting in the way. This is where the selections.txt comes in. I do: dpkg --get-selections selections.txt apt-get dselect-upgrade That _should_ install all packages that were installed when you saved off the list in the first place. The only thing that wont be replaced are packages that aren't findable in your sources.list. I think libranet had one or 2 admin gui things I never used, so I didn't mind loosing them. Just to be clear, I have a very destructive method. The upside is that apt keeps your system config files around, and your personal config files are safely in $HOME, so your settings for say.. mozilla will remain even if you apt-get remove it. The downside is that if I were on a dialup, I'd have to rethink things. So far I've done this twice. Besides the usual package FOO is temporarily uninstallable (sid gets like that sometimes) for a few days, no inherent problems with it. Dont bother runnig apt-get clean til you're done (or your /var size is too small for apt to cache all the debs), you'll probably need to uninstall/reinstall a couple apps several times. All in all its not difficult so much as time consuming. Before I bother attempting this I usually wait for a sunday afternoon with crappy weather and no plans. Things take a while. Excuse the incoherency, I'm trying to work and write this at the same time. :) -- Mental ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Torah... The Gospels... The Koran... Each claimed as the infallible word of GOD. Misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, and misapplied. Maybe that's why he doesn't do any more interviews. - sinfest.net CARPE NOCTEM, QUAM MINIMUM CREDULA POSTERO. GPG public key: http://www.neverlight.com/pas/Mental.asc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian-based distros ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 October 2003 08:49 pm, Mental Patient wrote: I also removed the apt-pinning that was going on. Mental: I do not understand what you mean by apt-pinning. The term is unfamilliar to me. How do I remove it? - -- Ralph ** Debian Linux: testing/unstable 2.4.22 xfs kernel ralphfdewitt on Yahoo and Aim ralphdewitt on Jabber Signed and Encrypted Mail Encouraged ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gU+ru29DXA3iCF0RArQ3AKCM+oYRn54J6njfYPt2xVZUDXA06gCfcVTF 4FQeHmSgrIpP0+akgD3rckA= =HMWI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
Ralph F. De Witt wrote: On Monday 06 October 2003 08:49 pm, Mental Patient wrote: I also removed the apt-pinning that was going on. Mental: I do not understand what you mean by apt-pinning. The term is unfamilliar to me. How do I remove it? Its in the apt howto. For the sake of brevity, here's a url: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version Also see section 3.10, it explains in detail what pinning is and how it works. Short answer: /etc/apt/preferences -- Mental ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Torah... The Gospels... The Koran... Each claimed as the infallible word of GOD. Misquoted, misinterpreted, misunderstood, and misapplied. Maybe that's why he doesn't do any more interviews. - sinfest.net CARPE NOCTEM, QUAM MINIMUM CREDULA POSTERO. GPG public key: http://www.neverlight.com/pas/Mental.asc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian-based distros ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 06 October 2003 10:38 pm, Mental Patient wrote: Mental: I do not understand what you mean by apt-pinning. The term is unfamilliar to me. How do I remove it? Its in the apt howto. For the sake of brevity, here's a url: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-ve rsion Also see section 3.10, it explains in detail what pinning is and how it works. Short answer: /etc/apt/preferences Mental: Thanks for the info. I do not have a /etc/apt/preferences file, so I that is one less problem to take care of as I move to from knoppix to unstable. - -- Ralph ** Debian Linux: testing/unstable 2.4.22 xfs kernel ralphfdewitt on Yahoo and Aim ralphdewitt on Jabber Signed and Encrypted Mail Encouraged ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gV69u29DXA3iCF0RAmY+AKCP95+lGvDw09On0lFSa99zXT1+7ACfWgEa epkcUKWU5C9Qh3vxGRJplCU= =Uy6f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:06:47PM -0400, Mental Patient wrote: stan wrote: A general wor of wisdom here, for what it's worth. I once made the mistake of allowing myself to be sucked in by the siren song of these offshot distors. As a result I am stuck with 2 machines (one at home, and one at work), bith of which I still actively use, but can't, in any reasonable way, update. Both machines were, at one time, lot's nicer than the Debian mainstream at that tiem. In mycase it was Progey, who sure looked like they would be around :-( So why can't you update? I ask because I've installed via libranet and knoppix (as well as the usual debian installer), and I haven't had this problem. Mmm, well perhaps I can. It's just a pretty scarey set of things apt-get wants to do, and I _really_ don't want to break either of these amchines, without first having set up a replacement. What distribution would you point apt-sources to to upgrade a Progeny machine? stable? Sure, knoppix jumped the gun on packageing X 4.3 and I had a couple minor problems with it, but it was easily fixed. Further the dist-upgrade to sid was a little bumpy, but thats to be expected anyhow. sid is unstableright? Are you saying that you cant upgrade to stable? Just wondering what the problem was. See above. I've known people running testing who've backed out to stable, so there must be a way you can 'get back on track' so to speak. Then again, your definition of reasonable may differ from mine. Well I supose I could experiment with the machine at home. Sugestiosn as to how to go about it? -- They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
