Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Paul D. Smith]

%% Richard Klinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  igno> Hoi Paul, ALL!

  p> I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are far better
  p> managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups rather than mail
  p> lists.

  Paul> Just use Gnus.  You can filter debian-user mail into a separate
  Paul> spool file and have Gnus read it, and it'll look and behave
  Paul> exactly like a newsgroup.

  igno> You don't need Gnus for this (btw I use Gnus too ;-)), but IMHO more
  igno> comfortable to do this w/ formail:

Certainly there are 100 ways to filter Debian messages into a separate
spool or folder.

The original poster wanted a newsgroup, I assume, so that he/she could
read a high-volume list as if it were USENET instead of email: that is,
so threading was managed properly, so articles were kept around for some
amount of time then expired, etc.

My point was that if you read the mailing list using Gnus, then for all
practical purposes is _will_ look like a newsgroup: threading,
auto-expiry, etc.

Obviously this won't help with the bandwidth situation, but...

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Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Richard Klinda]

Hoi Paul, ALL!

  p> I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are far better
  p> managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups rather than mail
  p> lists.

  Paul> Just use Gnus.  You can filter debian-user mail into a separate
  Paul> spool file and have Gnus read it, and it'll look and behave exactly like
  Paul> a newsgroup.

  Paul> Works great.

You don't need Gnus for this (btw I use Gnus too ;-)), but IMHO more
comfortable to do this w/ formail:

, .procmailrc
| :0
| * X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| |formail +1 -ds cat >>Mail/spool/deb.user.spool
`

With this Gnus (or any other MUA) gets "pre-splitted" messages...

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Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Frank Copeland]

On 29 Aug 00 12:27:19 GMT, Previ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better 
>managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
>rather than mail lists.

Try setting up a mail2news gateway. Install inn|inn2, create a local
newsgroup, make it moderated, set the mailing list address as the
moderator address and feed incoming articles into the group with
mailpost.

Just make damn sure you do it right, or you will piss off a lot of
people.

Frank

Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Will Trillich]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:01:23PM -0500, Kelly Corbin wrote:
> This list is *EXTREMELY* helpful for any problem a debian user may
> have.  I personally have never *not* gotten a solution to my problems
> posted here, and the solution is usually posted just a few minutes/hours
> after I send my help message.
> 
> As an aside, I think the sheer volume of people subscribed to this list
> helps with the rapid replies.  I was subscribed to the Slackware list (I
> use Slackware at work) and answers took days to get with nowhere near
> the quality of answers.

this is true, usually (occasionally there are some 'rtfm' replies,
but most are quite informative).

but it's a two-edged sword -- this list is popular because it's
helpful... but it's so popular that you hafta weed thru 150 posts
to find the one that you can answer (or to find the one that
answered you)...

damn tradeoffs. who designed this universe, anyway?

Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Kelly Corbin]

This list is *EXTREMELY* helpful for any problem a debian user may
have.  I personally have never *not* gotten a solution to my problems
posted here, and the solution is usually posted just a few minutes/hours
after I send my help message.

As an aside, I think the sheer volume of people subscribed to this list
helps with the rapid replies.  I was subscribed to the Slackware list (I
use Slackware at work) and answers took days to get with nowhere near
the quality of answers.

Kelly ;)

USM Bish wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:57:19PM +0530, Previ wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better
> > managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
> > rather than mail lists.
> >
> > Hoping to news://news.debian.org/ soon.
> >
> > Previ
> >
> 
> Yeah, I'd agree with you to a certain point. If you
> use http mail servers like hotmail, excite etc  the
> traffic would definitely be an impediment.  Some of
> the servers do not appreciate mailing lists 
> 
> On the  other side,  the  debian list is one of the
> most bubbly and helpful lists that I have seen. Can
> you believe I posted a query on  04 Sep 2k (Mon) in
> the morning, and somebody replied my mail on 03 Sep
> (Sun) before going to bed in the US ?   Many people
> (like me) would like to keep things this way.
> 
> In case the volume of mail is what is bothering you
> there is already a news group for debian.  Somebody
> has replied already .
> 
> USM Bish
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Re: Debian News Group Needed

[Paul D. Smith]

%% Previ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  p> I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are far better
  p> managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups rather than mail
  p> lists.

Just use Gnus.  You can filter debian-user mail into a separate
spool file and have Gnus read it, and it'll look and behave exactly like
a newsgroup.

Works great.

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Re: Debian News Group Needed

[USM Bish]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:57:19PM +0530, Previ wrote:
> Hi all,
> I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better 
> managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
> rather than mail lists.
> 
> Hoping to news://news.debian.org/ soon.
> 
> Previ
> 

Yeah, I'd agree with you to a certain point. If you
use http mail servers like hotmail, excite etc  the
traffic would definitely be an impediment.  Some of
the servers do not appreciate mailing lists 

On the  other side,  the  debian list is one of the
most bubbly and helpful lists that I have seen. Can 
you believe I posted a query on  04 Sep 2k (Mon) in
the morning, and somebody replied my mail on 03 Sep
(Sun) before going to bed in the US ?   Many people 
(like me) would like to keep things this way.  

In case the volume of mail is what is bothering you 
there is already a news group for debian.  Somebody
has replied already .

USM Bish

Re: Debian News Group Needed

[kmself]

Please use postfix followup format.
Please post followups to list.

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 03:01:49PM -0700, Kyle Lynch wrote:
> At 02:55 PM 9/4/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:57:19PM +0530, Previ wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better
> > > managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
> > > rather than mail lists.
> >
> > news:muc.lists.debian.user

> I agree with you, it is much easier to view messages and easier on the 
> server to run a NNTP server than a Mail List. But Debian chose a Mailing 
> List for some reason

Actually, I somewhat prefer mailing lists.  'muc.*' is a mail-usenet
crosspost mechanism.  The group exists if you care to follow it.



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Re: Debian News Group Needed

[kmself]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 05:57:19PM +0530, Previ wrote:
> Hi all,
> I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better 
> managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
> rather than mail lists.

news:muc.lists.debian.user

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Debian News Group Needed

[Previ]

Hi all,
I seriously believe that this and other debian lists are  far better 
managed both by users and debian, using NewsGroups
rather than mail lists.

Needless to say the resulting heavy traffic will make the 
GPLed newsgroup software(s?) the most matured one.

Hoping to news://news.debian.org/ soon.

Previ




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