Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
Now I've dl'd the Debian CD iso images and burned them to disks. This is with the 'Woody' 30r2-i386 set of seven CD's, plus the updates CD. Okay, that's *exactly* what *I* did... except for the update CD (h) But it breaks each time at 'Configuring Locales'. You can select more locales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there. but it looks like I had another Narrow Escape... IIRC, after saying to myself, Duuh... What's A `Locale', I just selected C as the Locale because it looked generic and nerdish and acultural and etc. (and I *think* it's the default...), and that worked OK to finish the install. Then, later on, GTK started whining Locale Not Supported, etc. - so I added the US English locale with (I think) dpkg-reconfigure. (I can go look up the exact procedure I used, if you want, but (Anno Mirabili) it's actually documented somewhere). That shut GTK up (although I can't imagine why it would insist on US English when I gave it C, already... but, whatever turns its crank, I suppose). My usual tactic with installs is to try and get something up, as simply as possible, and then subsequently add things and bludgeon the system into accepting them. I've found that to be particularly necessary when installing this Debian Woody contraption - the more you add at the outset, the more pitfalls (with excrement-smeared punji stakes at the bottom of them) there are down the road. Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decent speed? You want something FREE to work, out of a box it didn't come in, when expensive Gatesware that you PAY for, in a fancy-pants marketing-droid-designed box with a hologram on it, DOESN'T work?? *WHERE* did you get the DRUGS??? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppy drive... Yeah, well, I'm not there either yet, after 3 weeks. I'm still trying to fashion the necessary full-body Internet condom out of the resident firewall stuff, before I trust my system on the net. But I'll get there. I've yet to find a nix system that doesn't eventually submit to domination and slavery under my relentless brutal attacks. Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter 8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen options presented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales' option, or any way of avoiding it. So, somebody never got finished with it. Their girlfriend was probably screaming at them to come to bed at 3AM. (For pete's sake... he wants *free* *documentation* with his *free* *software*??? and expects ANY of it to WORK) Can I scream now, or must I wait? When it comes to dealing with nix machinations, rather than screaming I'd suggest a blood sacrifice in front of your computer. Start with a chicken (I won't bring partisan politics into this and suggest from which party you should get it...) and work your way up the food chain... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You want something FREE to work, out of a box it didn't come in, when expensive Gatesware that you PAY for, in a fancy-pants marketing-droid-designed box with a hologram on it, DOESN'T work?? *WHERE* did you get the DRUGS??? I've had the joy of installing Windows ME and Linux several times on the same machine. I have always managed to get the Linux install to work. I have had lots of trouble with Windows ME. In fact, the only way I managed was to set up a dual boot system. Then I used Linux to back up Windows frequently during its installation, so that whe the installation crashes I did not need to go all the way back to the start. Every time Windows asked me to reboot to continue installation, I had an opportunity to make another backup. Without Linux, I would have had a much harder time of it all. As it was, complete install of Windows (with all the net configurations, printer software, ATI video drivers, etc.) took only a week. Now I find it easier to restore a minimal verion ow Windows from a Linux-made backup rather than reinstall after a major Windows-doesn't-boot-anymore grade disaster. (happens every few months). Everyone using this system has been warned to avoid putting any essential data on the C: partition. Not that that's entirely avoidable. My conclusion? I consider Linux an essential maintenance tool if you are going to run Windows. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
Now I find it easier to restore a minimal verion ow Windows from a Linux-made backup rather than reinstall after a major Windows-doesn't-boot-anymore grade disaster. (happens every few months). Everyone using this system has been warned to avoid putting any essential data on the C: partition. Not that that's entirely avoidable. I use Novastor's Instant Recovery to back up my Gatesware system to CD-ROM. Guess what it does... (you're gonna love this): it shuts down Windows, boots a very minimal Linux system off the Instant Recovery CD-ROM, and then writes the entire contents of your Windoze disk partition (whatever one you choose) to CD-ROMs. That way you can restore the exact disk image, including the infernal Registry and whatever other fragile and unpredictable system states (which you can't do from a running Windoze system, of curse). I capture a new image of the C: partition that way every so often, so I'll have a system in a reasonably current state of installation to fall back on if I get a complete crash. (As an interesting side-note, Novastor had this Linux-based backup system talking to my CD writer *long* before they were able to get their regular Windows-based backup system to talk to it... took them almost another year to get the Windows drivers to work). BUt... My conclusion? I consider Linux an essential maintenance tool if you are going to run Windows. you've got a really interesting point... my Windoze drives are mounted as VFAT partitions and visible from within my Linux system, so I should be able to dispense with Insatant Recovery and just run tape backups on the VFAT partitions. Hmmm... Actually... I could just mirror the VFAT partitions somewhere onto my Linux drive... then I could just *copy* the stuff back over to the Windoze drive if it goes T.U.(Thanks... I think I'll get right on that.) My intention, ultimately, is to entrap the Gatesware within VMware under Linux, anyway... but I'm wondering if installation of new Windoze apps from within a VMware workspace will work or if I'll have to actually boot on the Gatesware drive to do that. I guess I'll find out - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
sorry kent, mail wasn't send to the list, check out knoppix http://www.knoppix.net or the version from kano (based on knoppix) called kanotix http://www.kanotix.com both are cd-bootables, complete linux with an easy install script, which actualy copies the complete CD (~2.3GB of sw in an compressed filesystem) to HD. voila, around 40 minutes later, you have a running debian system! worked on every from the 8 - 10 PCs i had tried so far. knoppix is a mixture from sarge (testing) and sid (unstable) and kanotix is pure sid, with a couple of fixes, knoppix does not have. they both have a very good forum where one can get help quickly. linux install and use easy from scratch! if even this does not work, you can go screaming! ;-) cheers Guenter Am Fr, den 23.07.2004 schrieb Kent West um 4:07: John Hechtman wrote: I moved from Suse to Slackware, because the stock Suse was WAY slow. And then from Slackware to Debian because no one can tell me why my floppy drive mounts in read-only in Slackware when using any GUI. Now I've dl'd the Debian CD iso images and burned them to disks. This is with the 'Woody' 30r2-i386 set of seven CD's, plus the updates CD. I started the install, and it went fine through the first part. But it breaks each time at 'Configuring Locales'. You can select more locales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there. No key on the keyboard will 'accept', and get me past this. In fact, after it breaks on the first cycle, the 'Enter' key brings up the 'Help' menu. This is using disk 1 - the 'vanilla' kernel. I tried it with bf24 to see if that helps - it didn't. Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decent speed? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppy drive... Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter 8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen options presented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales' option, or any way of avoiding it. Can I scream now, or must I wait? You can scream any time you want. You're going to be frustrated no matter what, if you're new to Linux. It's a different world. On the other hand, once you've spent some time here, going back to Windows will frustrate you more. So if you're going to turn back, do it now, before you get spoiled. I can't answer your specific question, but I can tell you that if you have network access, you'll do better to forget the CDs and instead download the 100MB CD image for the new beta Sarge installer, and install just the base stuff, then use the network to pull down what you want. You'll get fresher (newer) packages, and it'll probably go a lot smoother (the new beta installer is better than the old Woody installer). You can find the beta installer at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
This probably isn't proper form, kosher or even cool... but... It's a quick way around
the problem.
Hit control-c at the screen, run dselect with ftp as the method {set it in the first
dselect screen} and update the system. Alternately, restart the machine, hope it comes
back up and do the upgrade from there.
It may break your system {tho' it's already broken} but it does work {usually... I'm
not making guarantees.}. If the upgrade will work it's a good chance everything will
go fine from there on out.
I always install the base system with apt-get {dselect, whatever ...You can set up the
base system and then just run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade {see the screen for
options}} and use the disks for additional packages. Use disk 1 for the base install,
upgrade to the latest from the 'net and then start installing applications and so
forth. Do it slowly, a package or two at a time, and you should be fine.
But it breaks each time at 'Configuring Locales'. You can select more
locales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there.
No key on the keyboard will 'accept', and get me past this.
In fact, after it breaks on the first cycle, the 'Enter' key brings up the
'Help' menu.
This is using disk 1 - the 'vanilla' kernel. I tried it with bf24 to
see if that helps - it didn't.
Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decent
speed? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppy
drive...
It should be easy and speed should be your least concern. What are you running? What
are you installing?
Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter
8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen options
presented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales'
option, or any way of avoiding it.
Can I scream now, or must I wait?
I'd suggest a little more patience. Debian's a perfectly good system... Make sure you
select debconf in the dselect screen..
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Re: [Csnd] Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
This probably isn't proper form, kosher or even cool... but... It's a quick way
around the problem.
Sorry about that... I didn't realize this was crossposted to csound.
{Why is this crossposted to sound?}
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Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
Below is a copy of my most recent post to LinuxQuestions. Can you help withthis?I moved from Suse to Slackware, because the stock Suse was WAY slow.And then from Slackware to Debian because no one can tell me why my floppydrive mounts in read-only in Slackware when using any GUI.Now I've dl'd the Debian CD iso images and burned them to disks. This is with the 'Woody'30r2-i386 set of seven CD's, plus the updates CD. I started the install, and it went fine through the first part. But it breaks each time at'Configuring Locales'. You can select morelocales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there. No key on the keyboard will 'accept', and get me past this.In fact, after it breaks on the first cycle, the 'Enter' key brings up the'Help' menu.This is using disk 1 - the 'vanilla' kernel.I triedit with bf24 tosee if that helps - it didn't.Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decentspeed? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppydrive...Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen optionspresented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales'option, or any way of avoiding it.Can I scream now, or must I wait?
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 09:15, John Hechtman wrote: Now I've dl'd the Debian CD iso images and burned them to disks. This is with the 'Woody' 30r2-i386 set of seven CD's, plus the updates CD. Are you intending this installation to be used for a production server, or for a personal desktop? If you want a production server, you'll have to persist with Debian 3.0 (aka woody). The install procedure is difficult, but the resulting installation is very stable and secure. If you want a desktop, or a more experimental server, then you should download the installer for the Debian Testing release (aka Sarge). The packages installed are far more up-to-date, and the install procedure is light-years ahead of the old installer. The only disadvantage is that the occasional package doesn't work (the dangers of using what is effectively a beta release). Search for debian-installer on the www.debian.org home page for links to the latest releases. Note that the installer is just a single CD, and the rest of the OS gets downloaded over the internet, so you'll need a decent network connection if you want to do this. There are ways to download CDs of testing; see documentation for jigdo which should be linked somewhere from the main page. Regards, Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
John Hechtman wrote: I moved from Suse to Slackware, because the stock Suse was WAY slow. And then from Slackware to Debian because no one can tell me why my floppy drive mounts in read-only in Slackware when using any GUI. Now I've dl'd the Debian CD iso images and burned them to disks. This is with the 'Woody' 30r2-i386 set of seven CD's, plus the updates CD. I started the install, and it went fine through the first part. But it breaks each time at 'Configuring Locales'. You can select more locales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there. No key on the keyboard will 'accept', and get me past this. In fact, after it breaks on the first cycle, the 'Enter' key brings up the 'Help' menu. This is using disk 1 - the 'vanilla' kernel. I tried it with bf24 to see if that helps - it didn't. Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decent speed? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppy drive... Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter 8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen options presented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales' option, or any way of avoiding it. Can I scream now, or must I wait? You can scream any time you want. You're going to be frustrated no matter what, if you're new to Linux. It's a different world. On the other hand, once you've spent some time here, going back to Windows will frustrate you more. So if you're going to turn back, do it now, before you get spoiled. I can't answer your specific question, but I can tell you that if you have network access, you'll do better to forget the CDs and instead download the 100MB CD image for the new beta Sarge installer, and install just the base stuff, then use the network to pull down what you want. You'll get fresher (newer) packages, and it'll probably go a lot smoother (the new beta installer is better than the old Woody installer). You can find the beta installer at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
