Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> many thanks to Thomas Schmitt and Phil Hands

You are welcome.
If you want to thank Philip Hands, then you will probably have to do this
to him directly or to debian-live list.


> A whole company's thanks actually.

GNU/Linux saved my financial neck long ago. From time to time i get an
opportunity to pay back an installment or two.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I'm the OP so I thought I would follow-up.
It turned out that there were problems with some files in the Debian
archives. The traffic on the resolution
for that is on debian-cd:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/12/msg00014.html
There were also recently discovered problems in the jigdo tools (just fixed
a week or so before), but it
turned-out that that was not my problem. See
https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1526505.html

The actual point of using this ancient release, which I hadn't mentioned,
was to get a salt-minion installed and configured into
an existing salt complex and begin rectification. After an additional 3
days wrestling with the Debian and Saltstack repositories
and dealing with apt-get package resolution difficulties, I managed to
complete that on one server and it's in the complex. My
work-around is totally brain-dead, but it circumvents the resolution issues
with apt-get. It's possible that using apt, aptitude or
synaptic would have worked better, but I don't have time to find-out yet
(or perhaps an apt-get problem; I can't really touch
fundamental software on these servers yet, most are production).

Many, many thanks to Thomas Schmitt and Phil Hands for their help on this.
A whole company's thanks actually.
Now: In case anyone wonders, this is exactly how linux destroyed the old
unix vendors and microsloth in the data-center.
I get better support here for free than I ever got from them for thousands.
Once it was noodled-out, it was fixed in
under 24 hours. Carry on :-)

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Brad Rogers  wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:10:12 +0100
> "Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> >Correction: It is now in "testing" after only 6 days in "unstable".
> >(Has the quarantine time been reduced ? Normally it is 10 or 11 days.)
>
> It's usually five days.  For some software it's extended to ten.
>
> --
>  Regards  _
>  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> You never listen to a word that I said
> Public Image - Public Image Ltd
>

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:10:12 +0100
"Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:

Hello Thomas,

>Correction: It is now in "testing" after only 6 days in "unstable".
>(Has the quarantine time been reduced ? Normally it is 10 or 11 days.)

It's usually five days.  For some software it's extended to ten.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
You never listen to a word that I said
Public Image - Public Image Ltd


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Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> Thank you for taking the trouble to respond.

Thank you for asking questions which i can answer.


i wrote:
> It is now in "unstable" since 2 days:

Correction: It is now in "testing" after only 6 days in "unstable".
(Has the quarantine time been reduced ? Normally it is 10 or 11 days.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Brian]

On Fri 15 Dec 2017 at 21:10:34 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > Why doesn't giving https://...jigdo work? Or, to be more precise, why
> > doesn't it work for me?
> 
> Obviously because you did not yet install the new package which is
> available since already 8 days. :))
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865864

The reason is more prosaic than that. I *did* read the bug reports but
let what "Resolved bugs" tells us slip by me; it's deserving of a slap
on the wrist. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> Why doesn't giving https://...jigdo work? Or, to be more precise, why
> doesn't it work for me?

Obviously because you did not yet install the new package which is
available since already 8 days. :))
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865864
It is now in "unstable" since 2 days:
  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/jigdo

(I only know because i prepare for a bug report about jigdo-lite / jidgo-file
 not complaining about non matching checksums and rejection of the bad
 packages. The problem is subtle and confusing by the fact that the user
 chosen mirror has sane packages and only the fallback mirror has a few
 bad ones. I found 5 renitent packages in DVD-2.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Brian]

On Fri 15 Dec 2017 at 19:42:16 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Philip Hands on debian-cd detected two broken package files on the
> fallback mirror which is mentioned at the end of the gzip-compressed
> .jigdo file by:
> 
>   [Servers]
>   Debian=http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/ --try-last
> 
> My own download now succeeded with these inputs to jigdo-lite:
> 
>   
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
>   ( empty line on prompt "Files to scan:" )
>   http://archive.debian.org/debian
> 
> jigdo-lite and
>   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/SHA256SUMS
> confirm that the ISO is now correct.
> 
> 
> Maybe i will next try DVD-2. Just to be ahead of the next problem report.

The cdimage archive can also be reached with an https://... link:

 https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/x.x.x/amd64/jigdo-dvd/

Why doesn't giving https://...jigdo work? Or, to be more precise, why
doesn't it work for me?

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Philip Hands on debian-cd detected two broken package files on the
fallback mirror which is mentioned at the end of the gzip-compressed
.jigdo file by:

  [Servers]
  Debian=http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/ --try-last

My own download now succeeded with these inputs to jigdo-lite:

  
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
  ( empty line on prompt "Files to scan:" )
  http://archive.debian.org/debian

jigdo-lite and
  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/SHA256SUMS
confirm that the ISO is now correct.


Maybe i will next try DVD-2. Just to be ahead of the next problem report.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

my attempt to download debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo from scratch
by mirror http://archive.debian.org/debian/ still says in the end:
  Aaargh - 2 files could not be downloaded. ...

So i asked at debian-cd list:
  "What mirror to use with archived jigdo DVD images ?"
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2017/12/msg00014.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

it seems that not all packages of Debian 6 are present on the default
Debian mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/. Still it delivers enough
to keep me waiting for the end of that jigdo-lite run. 

Now it says:
  Aaargh - 7 files could not be downloaded. This should not
  happen! Depending on the problem, it may help to retry downloading
  the missing files.

I press Return and get asked for the Debian mirror.
Google got me the impression that
  http://archive.debian.org/debian/
could be a good choice.
It downloads some files and then says
  Aaargh - 2 files could not be downloaded. ...
When i try again, it again downloads
  
http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/g/gnupg/gnupg-udeb_1.4.10-4+squeeze1_amd64.udeb
  
http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/t/texlive-extra/texlive-pstricks-doc_2009-10_all.deb
with success but continues to say "Aaargh".

I will try a download from scratch from
  http://archive.debian.org/debian/
but don't expect results today.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Brian  wrote:


>
> I had no problem using it a year or so ago on jessie.


So I seem to have a bit of a problem today. Invoking "jigdo-lite
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
",
I receive 404's for every package and it seems to never complete the image.
Pasting the URL above into a browser successfully downloads the jigdo file.
Here's a sample of the command-line returns. It's followed by hundresds of
404's for each package. Any hints for me?Thanks.Nick

Debian mirror [
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/]:
Not downloading .template file - `debian-6.0.7-amd64-DVD-1.template'
already present
--More--Found 0 of the 3658 files required by the template
Will not create image or temporary file - try again with different input
files
--2017-12-14 15:25:17--
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/pool/main/g/gnome-keyring/libgp11-0_2.30.3-5_amd64.deb
Resolving cdimage.debian.org (cdimage.debian.org)... 194.71.11.173,
194.71.11.165, 2001:6b0:19::165, ...
Connecting to cdimage.debian.org (cdimage.debian.org)|194.71.11.173|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2017-12-14 15:25:17 ERROR 404: Not Found.

--2017-12-14 15:25:17--
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-dvd/pool/main/x/xfonts-100dpi/xfonts-100dpi-transcoded_1.0.1_all.deb
Reusing existing connection to cdimage.debian.org:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2017-12-14 15:25:17 ERROR 404: Not Found.




> --
> Brian.
>
>

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Brian]

On Thu 14 Dec 2017 at 21:15:13 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> > maintained since 2013
> 
> It says
>   This software is now in "maintenance mode"
> 
> It also states that it is not developed further any more. But need for
> development would arise only if bugs are found.

The latest changes were on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:38:20 + by
Steve McIntyre. Those changes include five bug fixes.

> > What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
> 
> http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
> See
>   https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file
> It contains
>   /usr/bin/jigdo-lite
> which is mentioned as download script in
>   https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/

I had no problem using it a year or so ago on jessie.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> > maintained since 2013
>
> It says
>   This software is now in "maintenance mode"


Understood ;-) "maintenance mode" != "unmaintained"


> > What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
>
> http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
> See
>   https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file


Yes thanks, I missed that. So to be clear, jigdo is the package
"jigdo-file".


> Have a nice day :)


Thanks, you too.


>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: Debian jigdo status

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> atterer.org/jigdo [...] tells me that jigdo is no longer
> maintained since 2013

It says
  This software is now in "maintenance mode"

It also states that it is not developed further any more. But need for
development would arise only if bugs are found.


> What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?

http://atterer.org/jigdo/ points to Debian package "jigdo-file".
See
  https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jigdo-file
It contains
  /usr/bin/jigdo-lite
which is mentioned as download script in
  https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Debian jigdo status

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I need to update some old squeeze (6.0.7) servers and (long story) will
need DVD images for the work. The Debian archives page tells me that I need
jigdo to obtain the images (atterer.org/jigdo) (I've only used Bittorrent
in the past). But that web page tells me that jigdo is no longer maintained
since 2013 or so. And it's not available in the repos for Jessie (unless
I've made a mistake).

What is the status of jigdo with respect to Debian?
Just in case: Are there any CD/DVD repositories for the older releases
besides cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive ?