Re: Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-18 Thread Simon Quantrill
Im installing debian on a 120 G7 I can get Lenny installed but when I try to 
upgrade or directly install to squeeze the raid controller seems to go missing 
probably a firmware issue still fault finding but I found your question so 
thought I would answer


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Re: Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-18 Thread Aniruddha
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Simon Quantrill
simon.quantr...@bmtargoss.com wrote:
 Im installing debian on a 120 G7 I can get Lenny installed but when I try to 
 upgrade or directly install to squeeze the raid controller seems to go 
 missing probably a firmware issue still fault finding but I found your 
 question so thought I would answer

Thanks for the reply, fortunately I don't need raid.


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-12 Thread Dan
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html


Hi,
Recently I installed Debian on a  HP ProLiant ML110 G6. and I am very
happy with the performance.

I didn't install any driver, but I didn't install the X server. But I
also think the X-server should work out of the box. I tried an old
live Ubuntu CD distribution and the X-server worked fine.

Dan


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 12, 2011 5:12 PM, Dan ganc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com
wrote:
  I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
  ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
  drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
  Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
  http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html
 

 Hi,
 Recently I installed Debian on a  HP ProLiant ML110 G6. and I am very
 happy with the performance.

 I didn't install any driver, but I didn't install the X server. But I
 also think the X-server should work out of the box. I tried an old
 live Ubuntu CD distribution and the X-server worked fine.


I never really looked into it but have experienced issues with x on some
models with the front vga port.


Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-09 Thread frank thyes
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 19:13 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 On 7/7/2011 3:10 PM, frank thyes wrote:
  On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 17:17 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
  
  I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
  ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
  drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
  Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
  http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html
  
  I have a lot of hp g7 boxes installed with squeeze using FAI.
 
 HP has many Proliant models with the G7 suffix, and they all have
 different chipsets under the hood.  So this statement is totally
 unhelpful to the OP.

No it isn't. A lot implies for me different boxes and different chip
sets as well.

Frank


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Re: OT: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-09 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:16:17 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

   If you don't see any usable disks it
   might take a bit longer :)
  
  If don't see any disk is when you start sweating :-P
 
 No, as long as there wasn't a click-click noise before, I wouldn't
 sweat, I wouldn't wait, but open the PC case and reconnect the SATA
 cables ;). Usually the poltergeist disconnect SATA cables. Time to
 change the connectors by those new SATA connectors with a clip, a friend
 found out that poltergeists are to stupid to disconnect this modern SATA
 connectors.

I'm afraid you didn't get it :-)

When hard disks are connected to the controller and installer cannot 
detect the disks in there, that usually means that your controller has 
been setup as a RAID controller and kernel cannot even recognized them, 
so you will need to:

a) Get/load an additional driver
b) Change your RAID config to AHCI o SATA
c) Load a most updated kernel
d) Get a real hardware RAID card :-P

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-09 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 8, 2011 8:14 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:


 HP has many Proliant models with the G7 suffix, and they all have
 different chipsets under the hood.  So this statement is totally
 unhelpful to the OP.

 Think Civic EX, Accord EX, etc.


Yes, that's why we weren't comparing g7's (generation 7), which is more
along the lines of comparing model year cars. It seems that they started
with g1 when HP got Compaq and have done a new generation about every year
(I'm not a salesman so I'm probably wrong on this point, but wiki if you're
really interested).

So, if someone compares a dl120g3 with a dl120g4 I might comment on using
such an old box for a server but wouldn't expect the implied or written
support to change much.


Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Aniruddha
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 Depending on your hard disk configuration, you may want to consider a
 more powerful RAID card that provides additional raid levels plus battery
 backup or at least adding the hot-plug advanced pack...

Thanks for the suggestion. I will use this server as a no-frills
samba fileserver. There is no need for 24/7 uptime


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Aniruddha
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM, frank thyes fr...@anotheria.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 17:17 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html

 I have a lot of hp g7 boxes installed with squeeze using FAI.


Thanks. It's good to know these servers work properly with Debian in
production :-)


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:59:01 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 Depending on your hard disk configuration, you may want to consider a
 more powerful RAID card that provides additional raid levels plus
 battery backup or at least adding the hot-plug advanced pack...

 Thanks for the suggestion. I will use this server as a no-frills samba
 fileserver. There is no need for 24/7 uptime

A RAID system is not just to have a 24/7 uptime but to prevent data loss 
due to a hard disk malfunction.

But if you are not planning to make use of the embedded RAID controller 
facility at all then it's fine. You've been already warned... ;-)

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 7, 2011 12:20 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]


 I also think so but one thing is getting it running and another one is
 making use of server's specific features, like the RAID controller (if
 present).


To me that is one in the same. No raid, no disk, no install. But, have no
fear - you'll have a good idea how long the install is liable to take once
you try to start the install. If you don't see any usable disks it might
take a bit longer :)

That said, I've never had a problem with ProLiant boxes. Though I don't have
hundreds of installs on them (probably 50+) of just 3 models (spanning the
years)... I can tell you everything you might to know about the dl360. I've
had tons of gripes about Dell hardware though.


Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:19:24 -0400, shawn wilson wrote:

 On Jul 7, 2011 12:20 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
 
 I also think so but one thing is getting it running and another one is
 making use of server's specific features, like the RAID controller (if
 present).


 To me that is one in the same. No raid, no disk, no install. But, have
 no fear - you'll have a good idea how long the install is liable to take
 once you try to start the install. If you don't see any usable disks it
 might take a bit longer :)

If don't see any disk is when you start sweating :-P

 That said, I've never had a problem with ProLiant boxes. Though I don't
 have hundreds of installs on them (probably 50+) of just 3 models
 (spanning the years)... I can tell you everything you might to know
 about the dl360. I've had tons of gripes about Dell hardware though.

Yep, that's what I said before: Debian seems to be in love with HP mid-
range/high-end HP racked Proliant servers (DL-3xxx and upwards). The 
problem could be with their low-end models, but again, if no RAID setup 
is in mind, HP makes a very good hardware, I agree.

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OT: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
 
   Forwarded Message 
  From: Camaleón
  On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:19:24 -0400, shawn wilson wrote:

   If you don't see any usable disks it
   might take a bit longer :)
  
  If don't see any disk is when you start sweating :-P

No, as long as there wasn't a click-click noise before, I wouldn't
sweat, I wouldn't wait, but open the PC case and reconnect the SATA
cables ;). Usually the poltergeist disconnect SATA cables. Time to
change the connectors by those new SATA connectors with a clip, a friend
found out that poltergeists are to stupid to disconnect this modern SATA
connectors.


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/7/2011 10:17 AM, Aniruddha wrote:
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html

The DL120 G7 has the Intel C200 chipset with 6 integrated SATA3 ports.
This is supported by the standard Debian kernels AFAIK with the latest
AHCI driver.  Connect the 4 drive backplane to 4 of these ports and you
should be fine.  If you have the base model, do not use the included
Smart Array B110i.  It is a fakeraid solution and on top of that
requires an extra license key to enable it.  Thus you're better off
using Linux software RAID.

If you want a fully supported real PCIe RAID card, buy an LSI and avoid
all the HP nonsense required to enable all the features that LSI (and
others) gives you out of the box.

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/7/2011 3:10 PM, frank thyes wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 17:17 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
 
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html
 
 I have a lot of hp g7 boxes installed with squeeze using FAI.

HP has many Proliant models with the G7 suffix, and they all have
different chipsets under the hood.  So this statement is totally
unhelpful to the OP.

Think Civic EX, Accord EX, etc.

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Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Aniruddha
I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/07/11 at 05:17pm, Aniruddha wrote:
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html
 
IMO, linux is linux. I find it unlikely that RedHat and SuSE have custom
drivers built in to their kernels that aren't in the main tree.
I can't say for sure regarding models, but I've installed linux on hundreds of
HP servers so it's likely to work.

Your best bet is to give it a go and see!

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:25:19 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

 On 07/07/11 at 05:17pm, Aniruddha wrote:
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP ProLiant
 DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special drivers
 necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and Suse are
 supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html
  
 IMO, linux is linux. I find it unlikely that RedHat and SuSE have custom
 drivers built in to their kernels that aren't in the main tree. 

It's very common that in these servers, RAID controller drivers -for 
instance- are only available for the supported OSes and specific kernel 
version so careful with that.

 I can't say for sure regarding models, but I've installed linux on
 hundreds of HP servers so it's likely to work.
 
 Your best bet is to give it a go and see!

It looks to me that HP is Debian friendly when it comes to mid-range/high-
end server models (DL-3xx and upper) but for low-end models things change 
a lot and depending on the user needs it can be a problem.

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Matt Richardson
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:25:19 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

 On 07/07/11 at 05:17pm, Aniruddha wrote:
 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP ProLiant
 DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special drivers
 necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and Suse are
 supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html

 IMO, linux is linux. I find it unlikely that RedHat and SuSE have custom
 drivers built in to their kernels that aren't in the main tree.

 It's very common that in these servers, RAID controller drivers -for
 instance- are only available for the supported OSes and specific kernel
 version so careful with that.

 I can't say for sure regarding models, but I've installed linux on
 hundreds of HP servers so it's likely to work.

 Your best bet is to give it a go and see!

 It looks to me that HP is Debian friendly when it comes to mid-range/high-
 end server models (DL-3xx and upper) but for low-end models things change
 a lot and depending on the user needs it can be a problem.


I didn't see your model on the Debian wiki page, but I bet it works
anyway.  I spoke to one of the HP open source people at a conference
and he more or less confirmed that despite the lack of official
support from HP, Debian runs on their hardware.  For peace of mind, I
would look at the potentially odd stuff like the raid controller and
make sure you can either run it with open drivers or that a blob is
available for it.

http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 08:57:10 -0700, Matt Richardson wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

(...)

 I can't say for sure regarding models, but I've installed linux on
 hundreds of HP servers so it's likely to work.

 Your best bet is to give it a go and see!

 It looks to me that HP is Debian friendly when it comes to
 mid-range/high- end server models (DL-3xx and upper) but for low-end
 models things change a lot and depending on the user needs it can be a
 problem.


 I didn't see your model on the Debian wiki page, but I bet it works
 anyway.  I spoke to one of the HP open source people at a conference and
 he more or less confirmed that despite the lack of official support from
 HP, Debian runs on their hardware.  For peace of mind, I would look at
 the potentially odd stuff like the raid controller and make sure you can
 either run it with open drivers or that a blob is available for it.
 
 http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant

I also think so but one thing is getting it running and another one is 
making use of server's specific features, like the RAID controller (if 
present).

For a normal use, there should be no problems or at least no more than 
the usual ones.

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Aniruddha
Thanks for the help! I've got the complete specs here:
http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14009_na/14009_na.HTML
The smart array might  be a problem. But overall it should work. It is
especially good to know HP is aware and supportive of Debian. Here are
the specs in short:

* Intel® Xeon® E3-1220 (3.10GHz/4-core/8MB/80W,, 1333, Turbo 1/2/3/4) Processor
* HP Smart Array B110i
* HP NC112i 1-port Ethernet Server (Intel 82574L chipset)


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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:44:29 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

 Thanks for the help! I've got the complete specs here:
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14009_na/14009_na.HTML The
 smart array might  be a problem. But overall it should work. It is
 especially good to know HP is aware and supportive of Debian. Here are
 the specs in short:
 
 * Intel® Xeon® E3-1220 (3.10GHz/4-core/8MB/80W,, 1333, Turbo 1/2/3/4)
 Processor 
 * HP Smart Array B110i
 * HP NC112i 1-port Ethernet Server (Intel 82574L chipset)

Depending on your hard disk configuration, you may want to consider a 
more powerful RAID card that provides additional raid levels plus battery 
backup or at least adding the hot-plug advanced pack...

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Re: Debian with HP ProLiant DL120 G7

2011-07-07 Thread frank thyes
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 17:17 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

 I wonder if anyone has experience with installing Debian on HP
 ProLiant DL120 G7. Does it work out-of-the-box? Or are there special
 drivers necessary to get these working? Officially only Red Hat and
 Suse are supported although HP does have an Debian page.
 http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html

I have a lot of hp g7 boxes installed with squeeze using FAI.

Regards
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