Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Hi, Aniruddha wrote: Hmm that is weird, I just checked and apparentley Lenny uses the regular openoffice. I think it is best to email the people of go-oo and ask them I've no idea how you checked, but we use go-oo. Grüße/Regards, René -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer : :' : http://www.debian.org | http://people.debian.org/~rene/ `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GnuPG-Key ID: 248AEB73 `- Fingerprint: 41FA F208 28D4 7CA5 19BB 7AD9 F859 90B0 248A EB73 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? I know there is this: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator But it seems not to be in Debian. Is there an alternative? OpenOffice 3 is your best bet, though if there is complex formatting then even that is not very good. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Though doesn't the latest version of Office also capable of generating the considerably more universal .odt or .doc formats as well? Why not just have the guy you're collaborating with send you something that isn't a result of Microsoft missing the point of what XML is about? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Dotan Cohen wrote: Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? In Windows Vista, they finally got around to implementing something like gsudo/ksudo for Windows. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:34:04 +0800, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? In Windows Vista, they finally got around to implementing something like gsudo/ksudo for Windows. yea, just that I used to turn that annoying feature off... -- Regards, Zhan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
2008/10/21 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Though doesn't the latest version of Office also capable of generating the considerably more universal .odt or .doc formats as well? Why not just have the guy you're collaborating with send you something that isn't a result of Microsoft missing the point of what XML is about? Why not open document: was not possible in MSO 2007 SP1, and I am still not sure how it will look in OOo. Why not .doc: I have been rejecting those for years on the same basis that I now reject .docx! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Zhan wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:34:04 +0800, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? In Windows Vista, they finally got around to implementing something like gsudo/ksudo for Windows. yea, just that I used to turn that annoying feature off... Never mind running as Administrator all the time is just as retarded in Windows as running as root is in Linux, for essentially the same reasons. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? I know there is this: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator But it seems not to be in Debian. Is there an alternative? With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? I know there is this: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator But it seems not to be in Debian. Is there an alternative? OpenOffice 3 is your best bet, though if there is complex formatting then even that is not very good. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Dotan Cohen schreef: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? I know there is this: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator But it seems not to be in Debian. Is there an alternative? OpenOffice 3 is your best bet, though if there is complex formatting then even that is not very good. Even a conversion to flat-text would be nice. Ah, I see OpenOffice.org 3 is out officially now. But there is no support for it in Lenny and I would like a supported product. I am a sysadmin for some offices who are running Debian on the desktop, and I am working on Lenny. I am wondering there is nothing in Debian for docx. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. I can do that for my private stuff. But for e.g. a notary office this is not usuable. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Dotan Cohen schreef: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even a conversion to flat-text would be nice. Seeing how docx is XML, have you tried parsing the file with something that can read XML? Ah, I see OpenOffice.org 3 is out officially now. But there is no support for it in Lenny and I would like a supported product. I am a sysadmin for some offices who are running Debian on the desktop, and I am working on Lenny. I am wondering there is nothing in Debian for docx. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. I can do that for my private stuff. But for e.g. a notary office this is not usuable. Yes, you can do this for a notary office. Tell them that you _don't_have_ MSO 2007 and cannot pay $xxx for it. Don't mention Linux or OOo or anything else. Note also that notarized documents should be read only anyway, and presentation surely is important, so PDF is much preferable to doc[x]. In fact, I would not use a notary that uses doc files, ideology aside. All outgoing documents are in PDF. But customers will sent all kinds of documents as input. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? Auto updates? I am not a MS sysadmin, no idea. In any case, sending documents that require $xxx program and $yyy for the only OS that it runs on is bad. What if they were sending you DotanOffice documents, that only could be opened on DotanOS. I'd be a millionaire! It's about receiving documents, not about sending. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even a conversion to flat-text would be nice. Seeing how docx is XML, have you tried parsing the file with something that can read XML? Ah, I see OpenOffice.org 3 is out officially now. But there is no support for it in Lenny and I would like a supported product. I am a sysadmin for some offices who are running Debian on the desktop, and I am working on Lenny. I am wondering there is nothing in Debian for docx. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. I can do that for my private stuff. But for e.g. a notary office this is not usuable. Yes, you can do this for a notary office. Tell them that you _don't_have_ MSO 2007 and cannot pay $xxx for it. Don't mention Linux or OOo or anything else. Note also that notarized documents should be read only anyway, and presentation surely is important, so PDF is much preferable to doc[x]. In fact, I would not use a notary that uses doc files, ideology aside. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? In any case, sending documents that require $xxx program and $yyy for the only OS that it runs on is bad. What if they were sending you DotanOffice documents, that only could be opened on DotanOS. I'd be a millionaire! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All outgoing documents are in PDF. But customers will sent all kinds of documents as input. Ah, I see. Then, I suppose that it is MSO 2007, OOo 3.x, or nothing. At least, nothing else that I know of can open docx files. But like I mentioned earlier, they are simply (ha!) XML files and should be parsable (I would imagine that they are compressed as well but I have not played with them). And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? Auto updates? I am not a MS sysadmin, no idea. I least at my university, the machines are ghosted at every reboot. They are running four year old systems with no updates, and reghosted at least daily. I'm scared to use them, really, and at least here in Israel I understand that this is not an unusual practice even in the corporate space. In any case, sending documents that require $xxx program and $yyy for the only OS that it runs on is bad. What if they were sending you DotanOffice documents, that only could be opened on DotanOS. I'd be a millionaire! It's about receiving documents, not about sending. I'm going to be rich! I will license DotanOffice at only $500 per copy, but DotanOS will be $1000! I'll let you pirate it for a few years to get you hooked first, of course! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Dotan Cohen schreef: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All outgoing documents are in PDF. But customers will sent all kinds of documents as input. Ah, I see. Then, I suppose that it is MSO 2007, OOo 3.x, or nothing. They are sending all kinds of documents. E.g. WordPerfect, RTF, doc, openoffice, pdf. And docx. At least, nothing else that I know of can open docx files. Many applications can do that, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML But like I mentioned earlier, they are simply (ha!) XML files and should be parsable (I would imagine that they are compressed as well but I have not played with them). That's OK for geeks like you and me. Not for normal-office-people. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Paul van der Vlis wrote: Many applications can do that, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XM Some software there is available in Debian, for example OpenOffice.org or AbiWord. However, especially considering we are on freeze, the necessary versions may not be available in Lenny, only in unstable or even experimental. If you really need Lenny, there is nothing you can do, but you can install OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 from experimental, and it should be able to read docx. -- Referring to a book: I read part of it all the way through. -- Samuel Goldwyn Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Many applications can do that, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML None other than OOo 3 is a full Linux office suite. But like I mentioned earlier, they are simply (ha!) XML files and should be parsable (I would imagine that they are compressed as well but I have not played with them). That's OK for geeks like you and me. Not for normal-office-people. I meant that they could be parsed to plain text with (relative) ease. Obviously the end user will not implement the entire 6000 page OOXML spec! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen schreef: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All outgoing documents are in PDF. But customers will sent all kinds of documents as input. Ah, I see. Then, I suppose that it is MSO 2007, OOo 3.x, or nothing. They are sending all kinds of documents. E.g. WordPerfect, RTF, doc, openoffice, pdf. And docx. You are facing a large array of possible document formats and as far as I understand your requirements these are legal documents and other mission critical things. Using any software with a non-native format can result in glitches - some minor, some serious. Even opening documents with a different version of the same program may not be good enough for things like contracts where even one missed word can spell disaster. I really see only two options here - Get all these programmes in a bunch of different versions to minimize the possibility of wrong data - Enforce a small set of trusted formats (txt, pdf, ?) In the environment I work in (academic research) minor glitches in switching back and forth between Word and OpenOffice are no more than mild annoyances but your situation sounds quite different. cu Philipp -- Dr. Philipp Pagel Lehrstuhl f. Genomorientierte Bioinformatik Technische Universität München http://mips.gsf.de/staff/pagel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:29 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? I know there is this: http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator But it seems not to be in Debian. Is there an alternative? With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ Debian doesn't have Openoffice in their repo's, they use go-oo instead (see http://go-oo.org/download/ ). go-oo does supports docx (see: http://go-oo.org/discover/ ). -- Regards, Aniruddha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:01 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:29 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? Debian doesn't have Openoffice in their repo's, they use go-oo instead (see http://go-oo.org/download/ ). go-oo does supports docx (see: http://go-oo.org/discover/ ). -- Hmm that is weird, I just checked and apparentley Lenny uses the regular openoffice. I think it is best to email the people of go-oo and ask them if go-oo is in Lenny. -- Regards, Aniruddha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
On Mon,20.Oct.08, 18:11:59, Aniruddha wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:01 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:29 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? Debian doesn't have Openoffice in their repo's, they use go-oo instead (see http://go-oo.org/download/ ). go-oo does supports docx (see: http://go-oo.org/discover/ ). -- Hmm that is weird, I just checked and apparentley Lenny uses the regular openoffice. I think it is best to email the people of go-oo and ask them if go-oo is in Lenny. How did you check? The Homepage: header points to http://www.go-oo.org and a similar inquiry (was that on debian-project?) not long ago was answered positively by the maintainers of the OOo packages. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Aniruddha wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:01 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:29 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Hello, Is there a way to see docx documents in OpenOffice in Lenny? Debian doesn't have Openoffice in their repo's, they use go-oo instead (see http://go-oo.org/download/ ). go-oo does supports docx (see: http://go-oo.org/discover/ ). -- Hmm that is weird, I just checked and apparentley Lenny uses the regular openoffice. I think it is best to email the people of go-oo and ask them if go-oo is in Lenny. Hi, I was just open Writer in Debian Lenny/O.O. 2.4 and go to file-open. Under File Type drop down menu there is .docx. I don't have any .docx document sou I can tell you result. -- Goran Dobosevic www.dobosevic.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Docx and OpenOffice in Lenny
Paul van der Vlis wrote: Dotan Cohen schreef: 2008/10/20 Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Even a conversion to flat-text would be nice. Seeing how docx is XML, have you tried parsing the file with something that can read XML? Ah, I see OpenOffice.org 3 is out officially now. But there is no support for it in Lenny and I would like a supported product. I am a sysadmin for some offices who are running Debian on the desktop, and I am working on Lenny. I am wondering there is nothing in Debian for docx. My solution, when possible, is to write to the body from where the .docx comes from and request that they resend in PDF. I can do that for my private stuff. But for e.g. a notary office this is not usuable. Yes, you can do this for a notary office. Tell them that you _don't_have_ MSO 2007 and cannot pay $xxx for it. Don't mention Linux or OOo or anything else. Note also that notarized documents should be read only anyway, and presentation surely is important, so PDF is much preferable to doc[x]. In fact, I would not use a notary that uses doc files, ideology aside. All outgoing documents are in PDF. But customers will sent all kinds of documents as input. Even users of MSO 2007 will be unable to open .docx files. Only if they don't install a plugin. And maybe this plugin is, or will be, automatically installed by MS online update. And what about users who are not running as admin and don't have admin rights on the box? Auto updates? I am not a MS sysadmin, no idea. In any case, sending documents that require $xxx program and $yyy for the only OS that it runs on is bad. What if they were sending you DotanOffice documents, that only could be opened on DotanOS. I'd be a millionaire! It's about receiving documents, not about sending. There are free converters from MS to change .docx, .xlsx etc. to older versions. Of course, they only run on Windows... But Office 2007 can save in many previous formats, and I don't think it's asking too much to request a customer to re-save and send it again. Almost everyone who uses Office is aware of its permanent lack of backward compatibility, and they get used to sending older document versions when people ask for them. Almost nobody buys every version of Office, normally skipping one or two versions when updating. The core Office features have existed unchanged since 1995, possibly earlier. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
