Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:00:21PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Nuno Magalhães wrote: Regardless of mode it should always ask for dhcp/static. Didn't it do this before? IIRC, since sarge or etch it tried to automatically detect a dhcp server and on success would configure the network for dhcp. On failing to configure the network automatically, it would ask. (I guess this is a sane default behaviour that is fine for most people.) IMHO it seems weird to not offer to configure network manually especially if you know it is going to fail if it tries without asking. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
On Tuesday 09 June 2009 22:28:52 Frank Lin PIAT wrote: On the other hand, computers used by regular users are configured using DHCP. Regular users would only be confused if they were given the option to configure IP address manually. Surely one could expect Debian users, or rather, users installing Debian for themselves, to know whether they want DHCP or static IP? Every other distro that I have installed asks, including ones that are avowedly aimed at regular users. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
On Mon,08.Jun.09, 13:51:15, JW wrote: 1. Perform a new Lenny install of the standard package set (no Xorg) (I always use net installs but I assume it's the same no matter what) 2. Immediately install ssh and configure a static IP address 3. Restart networking: /etc/init.d/networking restart [snip server goes back to DHCP] Work around: Either kill dhcpclient or restart the server to get rid of it. Problem is I keep forgetting this aspect :-) So the problem is '/etc/init.d/networking restart' does not kill dhclient? Does a simple 'ifdown eth0' do it? What about 'ifdown --force eth0' Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
Nuno Magalhães wrote: Regardless of mode it should always ask for dhcp/static. Didn't it do this before? IIRC, since sarge or etch it tried to automatically detect a dhcp server and on success would configure the network for dhcp. On failing to configure the network automatically, it would ask. (I guess this is a sane default behaviour that is fine for most people.) Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
Hi, On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 23:52 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Regardless of mode it should always ask for dhcp/static. Static IP are only useful in managed environment (especially for servers). In managed environnement, one is supposed to have RTFM. On the other hand, computers used by regular users are configured using DHCP. Regular users would only be confused if they were given the option to configure IP address manually. Didn't it do this before? I can't remember. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Does anyone else consider this a bug?
There's a new feature of Lenny that keeps catching me off guard. I might be wrong but I don't remember Etch ever doing this to me. It goes like this: 1. Perform a new Lenny install of the standard package set (no Xorg) (I always use net installs but I assume it's the same no matter what) 2. Immediately install ssh and configure a static IP address 3. Restart networking: /etc/init.d/networking restart 4. Start some services and and jobs on the server that make use of the network (start an scp or rsync of a large data set over the network is an especially good example ;-) ) 5. Walk away assuming the server will continue performing those tasks 6. Come back later to check on the server and discover that you can't log in via ssh. 7. Log into the console to see what's going on and discover that your scp/rsync and other network tasks have failed because dhcpclient is still running from the initial install's automatic DHCP network detect and had moved the server BACK to a DHCP address after the static network config. Mind you, the install does not ASK if you want DHCP or static addressing during setup. Work around: Either kill dhcpclient or restart the server to get rid of it. Problem is I keep forgetting this aspect :-) I find it extremely annoying but before I file a report I want to make sure other folks don't consider this a feature JW -- -- System Administrator - Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
Hello, Last-point first, you can instruct Debian-Installer to prompt for fixed IP (rather than using DHCP). You need to pass this argument at boot prompt: netcfg/disable_dhcp=true (read http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s03 ) On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:51 -0500, JW wrote: There's a new feature of Lenny that keeps catching me off guard. I might be wrong but I don't remember Etch ever doing this to me. It goes like this: 1. Perform a new Lenny install of the standard package set (no Xorg) (I always use net installs but I assume it's the same no matter what) 2. Immediately install ssh and configure a static IP address 3. Restart networking: /etc/init.d/networking restart [..] Work around: Either kill dhcpclient or restart the server to get rid of it. Problem is I keep forgetting this aspect :-) I haven't tested it, but running ifdown eth0 may help. Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
On 06/08/2009 03:29:06 PM, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Hello, Last-point first, you can instruct Debian-Installer to prompt for fixed IP (rather than using DHCP). Isn't there a choice when in expert mode as well? Karl k...@meme.com Free Software: You don't pay back, you pay forward. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 15:33 -0500, Karl O. Pinc wrote: On 06/08/2009 03:29:06 PM, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Hello, Last-point first, you can instruct Debian-Installer to prompt for fixed IP (rather than using DHCP). Isn't there a choice when in expert mode as well? Sure, you are probably right. (It's just that I don't use Expert mode). Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Does anyone else consider this a bug?
Regardless of mode it should always ask for dhcp/static. Didn't it do this before? -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
