Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote: RedHat Picasso comes with a single CPU license for Metro X. I know because I have a copy and Metro X runs great on my RedHat box. The only reason I can see them giving out a single license copy is if it's a full relase of Metro X's server. hope this helps... Mike Ah, this may have changed. When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the Metro X server was also beta. The Xfree beta drivers blew it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page. I know this because I was looking for an alternative to Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and Debian both. When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server, they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code in it, thus the slow numbers. Do you know how the full release performs? By the way, I recieved your message and it looks like it came from me! The X-Sender: has [EMAIL PROTECTED] in it but there is no From field (no colon). That's strange. Anyway, thanks for the info! Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. ***
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On 12:45:58 Richard G. Roberto wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote: Ah, this may have changed. When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the Metro X server was also beta. The Xfree beta drivers blew it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page. I know this because I was looking for an alternative to Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and Debian both. When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server, they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code in it, thus the slow numbers. Do you know how the full release performs? I tried the Metro X server also on my RH system. It sucks! Came up with the darndest wierd color combinations, and it didn't seem to pay any attention to fvwm at all--not the colors anyway! Some of the gaudiest, gosh awful combinations you could imagine. Most of them useless, due to the lack of contrast or the color choices of fg bg. And it was (is) slow. Real slow. Paul it but there is no From field (no colon). That's strange. Anyway, thanks for the info! Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. ***
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote: Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway, I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time... IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox video card. They do not work with XFree and probably never will. I'm not sure this is true. What source gave you that information? Put it this way, from what I have read on usenet, and have been told from friends who have called Matrox, they do not intend ever to give out the information needed to program their cards without a non-disclosure agreement. However, they could do the samething Diamond did after many people complained to them about the practice and change their policy toward Linux. But as I said before, Matrox seems pretty set in their ways right now. They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give away the source code to your product. If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then it shouldn't be a problem. But then again you will have to install it by hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know about it. What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a rpm -- deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around $30-40 and it comes with Metro X. But if you wan't to be able to get all the source code for your programs you are still stuck. Now I'm pretty sure this is not true. Last time I checked, redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X software that was pretty buggy and very slow. The same beta was available from Metro X directly as well. You don't have to get it in .rpm format. Accelerated X has a demo of their server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta. This I didn't know. However, is the demo of Accelerated X fully functioning, or is it really just a demo. Hope this helps, Shaya You may be right on both counts, but I'd still like to be sure. Please let us know. Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Barry Hughes wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway, I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time... From experience Cirrus cards and chipsets work very well with XFree86, and I would tend to recommend them. If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox video card. They do not work with XFree and probably never will. They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give away the source code to your product. If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then it shouldn't be a problem. But then again you will have to install it by hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know about it. What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a rpm -- deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around $30-40 and it comes with Metro X. But if you wan't to be able to get all the source code for your programs you are still stuck. Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use this to tell what card to get ;) -Barry Hughes When did this happen? I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago, and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set against giving their support away like that. However, if I am wrong I admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use this to tell what card to get ;) When did this happen? I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago, and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set against giving their support away like that. However, if I am wrong I admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave. Shaya Actually just last week, keep an eye on the various linux newsgroups and you'll see the cool stuff like this :) but they definately are now letting the stuff out, we just have to wait for the drivers to be written -Barry Hughes -- Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people *I had to kill because they pissed me off* webmasterURL: http://www.gpl.net Genesis Project Ltd voice: +44-1232-560552 Belfast, BT15 1AQ fax: +44-1232-560553 Northern Ireland email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bazza/Rakoth on DALnet, the best IRC network there is irc.dal.net port 7000 http://www.bazza.com/
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: Now I'm pretty sure this is not true. Last time I checked, redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X software that was pretty buggy and very slow. The same beta was available from Metro X directly as well. You don't have to get it in .rpm format. Accelerated X has a demo of their server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta. RedHat Picasso comes with a single CPU license for Metro X. I know because I have a copy and Metro X runs great on my RedHat box. The only reason I can see them giving out a single license copy is if it's a full relase of Metro X's server. hope this helps... Mike
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use this to tell what card to get ;) -Barry Hughes When did this happen? I talked to a friend, just a couple of weeks ago, and he said he just talked to Matrox and they were pretty dead set against giving their support away like that. However, if I am wrong I admit it, and apologize for the wrong advice I gave. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atleast so far you can't get a XFree accel'ed Xserver.. I and a friend installed debian on his machine and then we came to that conclution.. And running Xwin in 640x480x8bit isn't all that fun.. so we scrapped that project.. (for a while atleast...) -- * Dan Bergman* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4052/ * * http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-13736/ * * * * Lister: Love is what separates us from the animals.* * Rimmer: No, Lister - what separates us from animals is * *that we don't use our tongues to clean our genitals. * * Red Dwarf *
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
While it is good news is Matrox are now releasing the details of their millenium card and xfree86 will in due course support it, I can confirm that the X-inside server installed VERY easily on a debian system (regardless of lack of debian-specific package magic) and appears to work quite well enough for me. Arthur ps I hope somebody will post when there is a worthwhile testable beta of the xfree for the millenium to try...
Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote: Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway, I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time... IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox video card. They do not work with XFree and probably never will. They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give away the source code to your product. If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then it shouldn't be a problem. But then again you will have to install it by hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know about it. What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a rpm -- deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around $30-40 and it comes with Metro X. But if you wan't to be able to get all the source code for your programs you are still stuck. Hope this helps, Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote: Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway, I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time... IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox video card. They do not work with XFree and probably never will. I'm not sure this is true. What source gave you that information? They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give away the source code to your product. If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then it shouldn't be a problem. But then again you will have to install it by hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know about it. What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a rpm -- deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around $30-40 and it comes with Metro X. But if you wan't to be able to get all the source code for your programs you are still stuck. Now I'm pretty sure this is not true. Last time I checked, redhat linux came with a beta version of the Metro X software that was pretty buggy and very slow. The same beta was available from Metro X directly as well. You don't have to get it in .rpm format. Accelerated X has a demo of their server available too, and I don't think theirs is beta. Hope this helps, Shaya You may be right on both counts, but I'd still like to be sure. Please let us know. Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. ***
Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: Well, I'm currently using a Cirrus Logic GD5434, which works fine with XFree in 8 bit mode, but produces streaks at higher bpp's. Anyway, I'm getting a Matrox soon, a real speedster. Thanx for your time... From experience Cirrus cards and chipsets work very well with XFree86, and I would tend to recommend them. If you plan to continue to use XFree, then I hope you don't buy a matrox video card. They do not work with XFree and probably never will. They don't give away the information on how to use their cards, so the only way XFree could use their cards would be if XFree signed a non-disclosure agreement with them, which is kind of hard when you give away the source code to your product. If you are willing to buy a commercail X server from X inside or Metro X then it shouldn't be a problem. But then again you will have to install it by hand, because their is no debian package for it, and dpkg won't know about it. What might be good for you, is that if someone ever comes up with a rpm -- deb utility, you can buy a redhat cd, from cheapbuytes for around $30-40 and it comes with Metro X. But if you wan't to be able to get all the source code for your programs you are still stuck. Um, FYI Matroax *HAVE* now allowed the source code to be released, and the drivers for their cards are being worked on, (at last) so, you can use this to tell what card to get ;) -Barry Hughes -- Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people *I had to kill because they pissed me off* webmasterURL: http://www.gpl.net Genesis Project Ltd voice: +44-1232-560552 Belfast, BT15 1AQ fax: +44-1232-560553 Northern Ireland email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bazza/Rakoth on DALnet, the best IRC network there is irc.dal.net port 7000 http://www.bazza.com/
