Re: Downgraded Flash Non-Free 32 to Backports

2010-06-24 Thread Freeman
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 03:10:20PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
 On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:10:28 Freeman wrote:

. . . 

 
  Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash
  simply going to be bad solution for old radeons?
 
 Flash won't be fixed :-), and it is not really the issue.  The newer 
 (squeeze) 
 radeon driver has spotty support for older ATI adapters. 
 
 My ATI M7 (7500) doesn't work well enough with the radeon driver, I use the 
 vesa driver. 
 
  When I researched the issue it was apparent that old ATI where not supported 
 by ATI or the xorg stuff. Seems like the same video adaptor is also different 
 depending on the vendor.
 
  My ATI stuff is a Gateway 450ROG laptop. I have two, one with the M7 an one 
 with the Fire GL, the Fire GL one works with the radeon driver but I don't 
 use flash on it.
 

I wasn't aware of an xorg issue with Radeon FireGL 9000. I will gladly do
some reading this weekend if anyone has links.

The card was dropped from fglrx but the firmware-linux package replaced
that well enough.

The Gallium3D backend to mesa is suppose to support old radeons some day in
the future according to my understanding.

My problem with flash vids is also fixed by downgrading to:

Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
Pin: version 6.12.6-1
Pin-Priority: 1001

Package: xserver-xorg-video-ati
Pin: version 6.12.6-1
Pin-Priority: 1001

(I haven't had time to try each downgrade individually.)

But that fix trashes Google Earth, despite that it worked with those
versions before they were upgraded to 6.13.0-2.  That upgrade was evidently
part of the problem with flash which hasn't been upgraded since September.

-- 
Kind Regards,
Freeman

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answer. --Somebody


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Downgraded Flash Non-Free 32 to Backports

2010-06-19 Thread Freeman
Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with
an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000].  Nothing played smoothly.

It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core,
xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, mesa
utils. My version of flashpluggin dated back to September, '09.

Upgrading firmware-linux to experimental did not work.

Downgrading flashpluggin non-free to 2.8.0 did not work.

Downgrading to flash to 2.5~bpo50+1, on a lark, did work. But that seems 
temporary at
best.

Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash simply
going to be bad solution for old radeons?

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Kind Regards,
Freeman

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answer. --Somebody


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Re: Downgraded Flash Non-Free 32 to Backports

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Madden
On Saturday 19 June 2010 14:10:28 Freeman wrote:
 Flashpluggin non-free became very choppy on my 32 bit squeeze install with
 an old Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000].  Nothing played smoothly.

 It started near-about the recent xserver upgrades: xserver-xorg-core,
 xserver-common, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, mesa
 utils. My version of flashpluggin dated back to September, '09.

 Upgrading firmware-linux to experimental did not work.

 Downgrading flashpluggin non-free to 2.8.0 did not work.

 Downgrading to flash to 2.5~bpo50+1, on a lark, did work. But that seems
 temporary at best.

 Is there some possible fix, something else in development or is flash
 simply going to be bad solution for old radeons?

 --
 Kind Regards,
 Freeman

 Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is
 the answer. --Somebody

Flash won't be fixed :-), and it is not really the issue.  The newer (squeeze) 
radeon driver has spotty support for older ATI adapters. 

My ATI M7 (7500) doesn't work well enough with the radeon driver, I use the 
vesa driver. 

 When I researched the issue it was apparent that old ATI where not supported 
by ATI or the xorg stuff. Seems like the same video adaptor is also different 
depending on the vendor.

 My ATI stuff is a Gateway 450ROG laptop. I have two, one with the M7 an one 
with the Fire GL, the Fire GL one works with the radeon driver but I don't 
use flash on it.

-- 
Peace,

Greg


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