Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
On 2020-11-23 09:10, Kanito 73 wrote: Hello Finally I bought the laptop with Ryzen 5, it arrived yesterday. At first I backed up (clonezilla) the whole brand new system (Windows 10) before running for first time to have a virgin copy of the original system. Today I will erase the disks to create partitions and install both Windows 10 and Linux, but I'm not sure about how to organize the space. The laptop comes with a 1Tb HDD and a 128Gb SDD. Windows 10 is installed on the 128Gb SDD and the whole 1Tb HDD is empty and available for data. Well, I have two options to organize (partitionate) and want to hear (read) opinions: OPTION 1: - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for Win10+Linux) - Install Debian 10 on the 128Gb SDD (Can Linux run on "sdb" (Windows on "sda")?) OPTION 2: - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Install Debian 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for Win10+Linux) - Use the 128Gb SDD to edit/render FHD/4K video faster than in HDD I guess that the original Windows 10 is on SDD to load faster and run programs slightly, but Linux is lighter, my current laptop has a normal HDD and never required it to load Linux or run programs faster (except for some games or apps used ocasionally). Windows is a big elephant while Linux is a cheetah. So I think it would be better to use the SDD rendering videos, I know the disk is short but once the videos are edited and rendered they are stored on external USB disk and probably I will begin to move to DVD since it is a lot of "dead space" on external disks that may have a more dynamic use. About wifi... Do anybody use RTL8821CE with a latest Debian 10 kernel (package) without installing an external driver? My old laptop has RTL8723 that required to install rtlwifi_new driver (from GIT) but currently runs fine with the kernel driver, would it work also for RTL8821CE? I found a post in a forum saying that rtlwifi_new also supports RTL8821CE ... Well, what do you think? Thanks, Mike Please tell us why you want a laptop and how you plan to use it. Make? Model? Part number? Components? Options? URL for technical specifications and manuals? Which Windows edition? What is the SSD form factor and interface? A 128 GB system drive is too small today for a Windows daily driver, let alone a multi-boot Windows/ Linux enthusiast laptop. Any HDD in a new laptop today is a waste of money. Are you comfortable with opening the case and adding, removing, or changing components? Are you interested in ECC memory? What did you pay? Can you return it? What is your budget for upgrades or for a replacement laptop? David
Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:10:56 + Kanito 73 wrote: > About wifi... Do anybody use RTL8821CE with a latest Debian 10 kernel > (package) without installing an external driver? My old laptop has > RTL8723 that required to install rtlwifi_new driver (from GIT) but > currently runs fine with the kernel driver, would it work also for > RTL8821CE? I found a post in a forum saying that rtlwifi_new also > supports RTL8821CE ... Be sure to install the package firmware-realtek so the driver finds its binary blob. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
Hi > Are you sure that operation will benefit from faster storage (as opposed > to more CPU and/or RAM)? It is a new computer, it has good processor/RAM and already has the highest memory possible (12Gb), the idea is to help now by speed on the storage device... Relative to the size of partitions I am checking, currently my Linux root partition has 25Gb on use and 25Gb free (50 in total). The same sizes and proportions on the 50Gb Windows partition (barely used)... I plan to install games on the new computer (Windows and Linux) so maybe I will set 100Gb for each OS and leave the rest for shared data storage... Thanks for the hints, I was thinking about using 150Gb partitions but most space would be unused, commonly I use space for data (work, music, video) more than programs... 100Gb would be fine Thanks again From: Andrei POPESCU Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:00 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE On Lu, 23 nov 20, 17:10:56, Kanito 73 wrote: > Hello > > Finally I bought the laptop with Ryzen 5, it arrived yesterday. At first I > backed up (clonezilla) the whole brand new system (Windows 10) before running > for first time to have a virgin copy of the original system. Today I will > erase the disks to create partitions and install both Windows 10 and Linux, > but I'm not sure about how to organize the space. The laptop comes with a 1Tb > HDD and a 128Gb SDD. Windows 10 is installed on the 128Gb SDD and the whole > 1Tb HDD is empty and available for data. > > Well, I have two options to organize (partitionate) and want to hear (read) > opinions: > > OPTION 1: > - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb > - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for > Win10+Linux) > - Install Debian 10 on the 128Gb SDD > (Can Linux run on "sdb" (Windows on "sda")?) > > OPTION 2: > - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb > - Install Debian 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb A (slightly trimmed) LXDE installation is less than 10 GiB. Even if Gnome or KDE are 3 times bigger, that's still only 30 GiB. You could check the size of your current installation with something like du -hx --max-depth=1 / It will show you how the space is distributed among your top-level directories (assuming all in one partition). I'm guessing most of your space will be taken up by /home, which could be its own partition on the HDD. > - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for > Win10+Linux) > - Use the 128Gb SDD to edit/render FHD/4K video faster than in HDD > > I guess that the original Windows 10 is on SDD to load faster and run > programs slightly, but Linux is lighter, my current laptop has a > normal HDD and never required it to load Linux or run programs faster > (except for some games or apps used ocasionally). Debian will benefit from an SSD as well, just try it out ;) > Windows is a big elephant while Linux is a cheetah. So I think it > would be better to use the SDD rendering videos, I know the disk is > short but once the videos are edited and rendered they are stored on > external USB disk and probably I will begin to move to DVD since it is > a lot of "dead space" on external disks that may have a more dynamic > use. Are you sure that operation will benefit from faster storage (as opposed to more CPU and/or RAM)? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
Kanito 73 writes: Hello Finally I bought the laptop with Ryzen 5, it arrived yesterday. At first I backed up (clonezilla) the whole brand new system (Windows 10) before running for first time to have a virgin copy of the original system. Today I will erase the disks to create partitions and install both Windows 10 and Linux, but I'm not sure about how to organize the space. The laptop comes with a 1Tb HDD and a 128Gb SDD. Windows 10 is installed on the 128Gb SDD and the whole [...] (Can Linux run on "sdb" (Windows on "sda")?) Yes, it can. [...] My suggestions are as follows * Install the primary OS (the one you use more) on the SSD. It will improve application startup times and update processes both of which one needs to perform rather often independently of system usage. * If your primary OS is Linux, consider using the 128 GiB SSD for Linux only and put a decent swap partition on it to aid with data-intensive applications (how much RAM does your laptop have?) * Instead of installing the secondary (i.e. less-often-used) OS on the 1T HDD, consider running it as a virtual machine under the primary OS. For Linux, you can use virt-manager + KVM, for Windows (if you have Windows 10 Pro), you can use Microsoft Hyper-V. Advantages of this approach: + No need to restart the computer to access the secondary OS. Especially: No need to restart the computer to install security updates for Linux. If you use Linux host systems: No need to restart the computer except for applying kernel upgrades. + No need to worry about Windows' rapid startup feature that does not shutdown the computer but rather goes into some special suspend-to-disk mode. It can cause file system corruption if data is accessed by another OS while Windows is in that state. Modern Linux will most likely warn you before it happens, though :) + You can share data through a networked file system (SMB, even if it is only between Host and VM) and store it in the host OS' native file system. Rationale: I'd advise against using NTFS productively for Linux data (although I have not tried it extensively). + You can start by putting both OS on the SSD and once space gets filled-up move the virtual HDD to the 1T HDD. Depending on the usage pattern, 128G SSD may be enough for both [I know that I'd exceed it pretty quickly, but I use larger SSDs for that reason...] * If Windows is your primary OS, Microsoft has made some interesting progress in supporting the use of Linux applications. Check out the "Windows Subsystem for Linux 2" (WSL2) and Linux Docker containers on Windows (Docker on Windows boils down to a hidden VM IIRC). HTH Linux-Fan öö pgpz9pI4j3KeZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
On Lu, 23 nov 20, 17:10:56, Kanito 73 wrote: > Hello > > Finally I bought the laptop with Ryzen 5, it arrived yesterday. At first I > backed up (clonezilla) the whole brand new system (Windows 10) before running > for first time to have a virgin copy of the original system. Today I will > erase the disks to create partitions and install both Windows 10 and Linux, > but I'm not sure about how to organize the space. The laptop comes with a 1Tb > HDD and a 128Gb SDD. Windows 10 is installed on the 128Gb SDD and the whole > 1Tb HDD is empty and available for data. > > Well, I have two options to organize (partitionate) and want to hear (read) > opinions: > > OPTION 1: > - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb > - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for > Win10+Linux) > - Install Debian 10 on the 128Gb SDD > (Can Linux run on "sdb" (Windows on "sda")?) > > OPTION 2: > - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb > - Install Debian 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb A (slightly trimmed) LXDE installation is less than 10 GiB. Even if Gnome or KDE are 3 times bigger, that's still only 30 GiB. You could check the size of your current installation with something like du -hx --max-depth=1 / It will show you how the space is distributed among your top-level directories (assuming all in one partition). I'm guessing most of your space will be taken up by /home, which could be its own partition on the HDD. > - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for > Win10+Linux) > - Use the 128Gb SDD to edit/render FHD/4K video faster than in HDD > > I guess that the original Windows 10 is on SDD to load faster and run > programs slightly, but Linux is lighter, my current laptop has a > normal HDD and never required it to load Linux or run programs faster > (except for some games or apps used ocasionally). Debian will benefit from an SSD as well, just try it out ;) > Windows is a big elephant while Linux is a cheetah. So I think it > would be better to use the SDD rendering videos, I know the disk is > short but once the videos are edited and rendered they are stored on > external USB disk and probably I will begin to move to DVD since it is > a lot of "dead space" on external disks that may have a more dynamic > use. Are you sure that operation will benefit from faster storage (as opposed to more CPU and/or RAM)? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Dual Win10/Linux on HDD+SDD installation & RTL8821CE
Hello Finally I bought the laptop with Ryzen 5, it arrived yesterday. At first I backed up (clonezilla) the whole brand new system (Windows 10) before running for first time to have a virgin copy of the original system. Today I will erase the disks to create partitions and install both Windows 10 and Linux, but I'm not sure about how to organize the space. The laptop comes with a 1Tb HDD and a 128Gb SDD. Windows 10 is installed on the 128Gb SDD and the whole 1Tb HDD is empty and available for data. Well, I have two options to organize (partitionate) and want to hear (read) opinions: OPTION 1: - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for Win10+Linux) - Install Debian 10 on the 128Gb SDD (Can Linux run on "sdb" (Windows on "sda")?) OPTION 2: - Install Windows 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Install Debian 10 on the 1Tb HDD using 150Gb - Leave the remainder of 1Tb HDD for NTFS data partition (shared for Win10+Linux) - Use the 128Gb SDD to edit/render FHD/4K video faster than in HDD I guess that the original Windows 10 is on SDD to load faster and run programs slightly, but Linux is lighter, my current laptop has a normal HDD and never required it to load Linux or run programs faster (except for some games or apps used ocasionally). Windows is a big elephant while Linux is a cheetah. So I think it would be better to use the SDD rendering videos, I know the disk is short but once the videos are edited and rendered they are stored on external USB disk and probably I will begin to move to DVD since it is a lot of "dead space" on external disks that may have a more dynamic use. About wifi... Do anybody use RTL8821CE with a latest Debian 10 kernel (package) without installing an external driver? My old laptop has RTL8723 that required to install rtlwifi_new driver (from GIT) but currently runs fine with the kernel driver, would it work also for RTL8821CE? I found a post in a forum saying that rtlwifi_new also supports RTL8821CE ... Well, what do you think? Thanks, Mike
