Re: Expiring mail
Arcady Genkin wrote: This is a valid point, but for several reasons I prefer mailboxes. For one I am subscribed to many maling lists with high traffic, and I don't want to waste inodes. Also, I'm not sure if procmail will work with maildir. I also use Qmail, but have it deliver to mailboxes. So, the question is still open; Is there a utility to be run from cron to go through mailboxes and expire messages by deleting them or archive them by moving somewhere else? My setup is not exactly what you're looking for, but I'll describe it anyway, in the hope it might be useful. I use mutt to read mail, and configure mutt to move read mail out of my mailboxes and into ~/mail/spool/ and ~/mail/old/. The former for stuff I don't want to archive forever, the later for stuff I do. At 3 am each night, I run a little program that uses savelog, to rotate the old mailboxes for the day out of the way, into files name foo.1, foo.2, etc. For all the stuff in the ~/mail/spool/ directory, I delete foo.14 or so. The effect is, I have access to the past week of list mail, saved in boxes according to the day I read it. -- see shy jo
Re: Mailbox Formates (was: Expiring mail)
On Aug 13 2000, Nate Duehr wrote: Just out of curiosity, anyone ever seen any good documentation on the advantages/disadvantages (even if it's biased, since we're *ALL* biased...) of the different mailbox formats? You can see something in this direction in the following homepage: http://cr.yp.to/maildir.html The closest to a comparison that I have seen are the man pages provided with qmail, maildir(5) and mbox(5). In essence: Maildir is, with a very small cost of performance (depending on your setup), the safest choice, with the added bonus of being extremely flexible (since all the messages are stored in individual files), so that messages can be manipulated by scripts (and, thus, do the expiring that the original poster wanted). As far as I know, Maildir was invented by Dan J. Bernstein, http://cr.yp.to/djb.html. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Mailbox Formates (was: Expiring mail)
On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 07:02:52PM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote: On Aug 13 2000, Nate Duehr wrote: Just out of curiosity, anyone ever seen any good documentation on the advantages/disadvantages (even if it's biased, since we're *ALL* biased...) of the different mailbox formats? You can see something in this direction in the following homepage: http://cr.yp.to/maildir.html The closest to a comparison that I have seen are the man pages provided with qmail, maildir(5) and mbox(5). In essence: Maildir is, with a very small cost of performance (depending on your setup), the safest choice, with the added bonus of being extremely flexible (since all the messages are stored in individual files), so that messages can be manipulated by scripts (and, thus, do the expiring that the original poster wanted). As far as I know, Maildir was invented by Dan J. Bernstein, http://cr.yp.to/djb.html. Thanks, I'll take a look. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key fingerprint = DCAF 2B9D CC9B 96FA 7A6D AAF4 2D61 77C5 7ECE C1D2 Public Key available upon request, or at wwwkeys.pgp.net and others. pgpKymhNX8cLn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Expiring mail
Christopher Mosley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for something that would be able to: 1. Delete messages older than a specified date. 2. Move messages older than a specified date (i.e. archive them away). This would be quite easy if your mail is in Maildir format. Since you say mailbox I assume this is not the case. Qmail used to create mbox by default with the option to compile with Maildir. This is a valid point, but for several reasons I prefer mailboxes. For one I am subscribed to many maling lists with high traffic, and I don't want to waste inodes. Also, I'm not sure if procmail will work with maildir. I also use Qmail, but have it deliver to mailboxes. So, the question is still open; Is there a utility to be run from cron to go through mailboxes and expire messages by deleting them or archive them by moving somewhere else? Thanks! -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe.
Expiring mail
Are there any non-interactive tools to expire mail from a mailbox? I have procmail spliting my mail into many mailboxes, and then use my mailreader's expiry functionality. I would like to rather run something from crontab. I'm looking for something that would be able to: 1. Delete messages older than a specified date. 2. Move messages older than a specified date (i.e. archive them away). Thanks for any pointers! -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe.
Re: Expiring mail
On 13 Aug 2000, Arcady Genkin wrote: Are there any non-interactive tools to expire mail from a mailbox? I have procmail spliting my mail into many mailboxes, and then use my mailreader's expiry functionality. I would like to rather run something from crontab. I'm looking for something that would be able to: 1. Delete messages older than a specified date. 2. Move messages older than a specified date (i.e. archive them away). Thanks for any pointers! -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe. This would be quite easy if your mail is in Maildir format. Since you say mailbox I assume this is not the case. Qmail used to create mbox by default with the option to compile with Maildir. I imagine most mail user agents can be compiled or configured to use Maildir. Since Maildir uses a separate file for each post, you can see how easily this could accomplished independent of the capabilities of mail user agent. Info on Maildir format might be found at qmail but I really don't know. Perhaps there is info there on how to do this, it seems to be something people would be in need of - I mean - something for which there is a need. Why on earth shouldn't a sentence end with a preposition? cmos I am using the newsgroup my isp expires the articles for me. Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Prepositions [was Re: Expiring mail]
On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 12:43:26PM -0400, Christopher Mosley wrote: Maildir format might be found at qmail but I really don't know. Perhaps there is info there on how to do this, it seems to be something people would be in need of - I mean - something for which there is a need. Why on earth shouldn't a sentence end with a preposition? I have at least one style guide that says it is perfectly fine to end a sentence with a preposition. It can be confusing in some contexts, though. Hence the rule. You do have a run-on sentence there. But that's a different matter. -- MegaHAL quote: I think a blowpipe is a marijuana cigarrette. It'll get you deleted!
RE: Mailbox Formates (was: Expiring mail)
On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 12:43:26PM -0400, Christopher Mosley wrote: This would be quite easy if your mail is in Maildir format. Since you say mailbox I assume this is not the case. Qmail used to create mbox by default with the option to compile with Maildir. I imagine most mail user agents can be compiled or configured to use Maildir. Since Maildir uses a separate file for each post, you can see how easily this could accomplished independent of the capabilities of mail user agent. Info on Maildir format might be found at qmail but I really don't know. Perhaps there is info there on how to do this, it seems to be something people would be in need of - I mean - something for which there is a need. Why on earth shouldn't a sentence end with a preposition? cmos Just out of curiosity, anyone ever seen any good documentation on the advantages/disadvantages (even if it's biased, since we're *ALL* biased...) of the different mailbox formats? -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key fingerprint = DCAF 2B9D CC9B 96FA 7A6D AAF4 2D61 77C5 7ECE C1D2 Public Key available upon request, or at wwwkeys.pgp.net and others. pgp0ESUT5rffu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Prepositions [was Re: Expiring mail]
Eric G . Miller wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 12:43:26PM -0400, Christopher Mosley wrote: Maildir format might be found at qmail but I really don't know. Perhaps there is info there on how to do this, it seems to be something people would be in need of - I mean - something for which there is a need. Why on earth shouldn't a sentence end with a preposition? I have at least one style guide that says it is perfectly fine to end a sentence with a preposition. It can be confusing in some contexts, though. Hence the rule. You do have a run-on sentence there. But that's a different matter. With respect to the preposition, I think the proper term in this case is enclitic. It is really part of the verb. So it is ok to say: That is something I won't put up with. Instead of: That is something up with which I will not put. To mildly misquote Winston Churchill. Cam
Re: Mailbox Formates (was: Expiring mail)
On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 01:26:49PM -0600, Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity, anyone ever seen any good documentation on the advantages/disadvantages (even if it's biased, since we're *ALL* biased...) of the different mailbox formats? In my experience, Maildir is best for spooling new messages and mbox is best for large message archives. 1000 messages in a Maildir isn't pretty :) Maildir is great for spooling because no locking is necessary, making it perfect for NFS. It's slower (on very large mailboxes only) because MUAs must stat every single file in the directory, which is quite slow. I use Postfix as MTA which hands messages off to maildrop, which drops messages into various Maildirs in ~/Maildir. I read these over IMAP with courier-imap. When a mailbox gets to be about 200 messages, i convert it to an mbox in my archive directory. -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I give food to the poor I am called a saint, when I ask why they go hungry I am called a communist --Bishop Helder Camara pgpQFaQK7Iqki.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Archiving and Expiring Mail
Jay, Have any idea how to do this if you want to keep anything that's been read but not anything that hasn't been read? (i.e. you have saved some messages older than 30 days...) Interesting trick using push like that. I like it. On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 11:07:33AM -0400, Jay Barbee wrote: I just got done looking up this one myself, as I did not want to keep any debian-user mail older than 30 days old. Add this to your .muttrc folder-hook debian-user push 'D~d 30d\n' where debian-user is the name of the mail file where your mail is stored. I will not take credit for this, I found it on a deja post: http://x41.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=529909910search=threadCONTEXT=956587245.1650458628HIT_CONTEXT=956585501.1607860225hitnum=4 Good luck, --Jay Barbee -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key fingerprint = DCAF 2B9D CC9B 96FA 7A6D AAF4 2D61 77C5 7ECE C1D2 Public Key available upon request, or at wwwkeys.pgp.net and others. pgpxY9ZixwnGj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Archiving and Expiring Mail
Hoi Erik!
Erik I use Procmail and Mutt for processing +200 mail messages
Erik every day (large share from this list ;-)) I would like to
Erik have a tool which is able to archive and/or expire mail
Erik messages on a per mailbox bases.
I think that procmail can do that job. Here's an example:
## debian user (digest)
:0
* X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
{
:0 c
|formail +1 -ds cat Archives/deb-user
:0
|formail +1 -ds cat spool/deb-user.spool
}
(So the messages are stored in two files: deb-user and
deb-user.spool.)
Ps: have you noticed the crippled X-Loop header line? :-(
--
ignotus
Sex and mathematics have one thing in common.
You can do each while thinking about the other.
Archiving and Expiring Mail
Hi. I use Procmail and Mutt for processing +200 mail messages every day (large share from this list ;-)) I would like to have a tool which is able to archive and/or expire mail messages on a per mailbox bases. Did not find anything matching in the Mail-packages list on www.debian.org. Any suggestions? -- Erik van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Archiving and Expiring Mail
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:54:00PM +0200, Erik van der Meulen wrote: Hi. I use Procmail and Mutt for processing +200 mail messages every day (large share from this list ;-)) I would like to have a tool which is able to archive and/or expire mail messages on a per mailbox bases. Did not find anything matching in the Mail-packages list on www.debian.org. Any suggestions? I just got done looking up this one myself, as I did not want to keep any debian-user mail older than 30 days old. Add this to your .muttrc folder-hook debian-user push 'D~d 30d\n' where debian-user is the name of the mail file where your mail is stored. I will not take credit for this, I found it on a deja post: http://x41.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=529909910search=threadCONTEXT=956587245.1650458628HIT_CONTEXT=956585501.1607860225hitnum=4 Good luck, --Jay Barbee
Re: expiring mail in Gnus
Gary Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GH 3) And I think this is your main problem. GH GH Once you read an article it generally has one of three marks next to GH it: GH GH O means the article/mail was read, but is not marked as read. GH E means the article/mail was read and marked as expirable GH ! means the article is marked to be kept GH GH You need to mark the articles as expirable as you read them. This GH means using the E key instead of the d when reading articles. This GH was annoying to me since I always want to expire articles/mail that I GH read and don't explicitly mark as keepable with the ! key. So, what GH I did was redefine my d key to mark the article as expirable instead GH of just read: Two things are worth noting: (1) If total-expire is set for a group, then read is equivalent to expirable. This is the setup I use for groups like debian-*. (2) If auto-expire is set for a group, then commands that normally mark an article as read mark it as expirable instead, thus obviating the need for the key redefinition you show below. I believe auto-expire is somewhat faster when actually performing expiry, but works poorly with adaptive scoring (because articles never get marked read). FWIW, my group parameters on mail.lists.debian.user are essentially the same as those those mentioned earlier (I don't try to set an expiry wait, but use the default). Under XEmacs, I find it easier to use Customize to edit group parameters (via G c from the group buffer). -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell
expiring mail in Gnus
Hi, I'd like to configure Gnus to make reading debian-users somewhat newsgroup-like, ie. all messages that are read (as opposed to unread, ticked, or dormant) should be deleted from my disk after three days. I thought that setting the following group parameters for my debian-users group would accomplish this: ((to-list . debian-user@lists.debian.org) (total-expire . t) (expiry-wait . 3) (gcc-self . none)) But it doesn't. Articles that are much older than three days and read (appear as `O' when I open the group) don't get deleted. C-c C-M-x (`expire all expirable articles') in the group buffer doesn't help either. I use Pterodactyl Gnus with XEmacs (potato), but I had the same problem with the built-in Gnus in GNU Emacs (slink). As I do only read mail with Gnus, I have nnfolder as my select-method. Here's my .gnus: (setq nnmail-spool-file /var/spool/mail/mat) (setq gnus-select-method '(nnfolder )) (setq nnmail-split-methods '((debian-user ^Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org) (jdc ^To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (info-dylan-digest ^To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (oreilly ^To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (other ))) (setq gnus-message-archive-group sent) Have I completely misunderstood what Gnus means by `expiring' or is there just some global setting that's meant to keep users from inadvertedly turning total-expire on? A somewhat related problem: Normally read and dormant messages are hidden from the summary buffer. How do I *temporarily* make them visible? There is a group parameter called `display' that controls this, but I don't want to edit the group parameters every time I find myself wanting to reread an article I read two days ago. (But I'd like to keep the short format as the default.) Thanks Matthias
Re: expiring mail in Gnus
Matthias Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to configure Gnus to make reading debian-users somewhat newsgroup-like, ie. all messages that are read (as opposed to unread, ticked, or dormant) should be deleted from my disk after three days. I thought that setting the following group parameters for my debian-users group would accomplish this: ((to-list . debian-user@lists.debian.org) (total-expire . t) (expiry-wait . 3) (gcc-self . none)) But it doesn't. Articles that are much older than three days and read (appear as `O' when I open the group) don't get deleted. C-c C-M-x (`expire all expirable articles') in the group buffer doesn't help either. I use Pterodactyl Gnus with XEmacs (potato), but I had the same problem with the built-in Gnus in GNU Emacs (slink). As I do only read mail with Gnus, I have nnfolder as my select-method. Here's my .gnus: [snip] Have I completely misunderstood what Gnus means by `expiring' or is there just some global setting that's meant to keep users from inadvertedly turning total-expire on? My setup is a bit different, but it may help you. Namely I'm using auto-expiry, but I have the following expiry related settings in my ~/.gnus file: 1) The following disables expiry on group exit, which is the default, and instead uses the gnus-demon to automatically, every thirty minutes, expire all the groups I have set to expire. Also, the demon saves news every minute. (remove-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook 'gnus-summary-expire-articles) (gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-group-expire-all-groups 30 30) (gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-group-save-newsrc 1 1) 2) The following sets ALL my mail groups to expirable: (setq gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups mail.*) 3) And I think this is your main problem. Once you read an article it generally has one of three marks next to it: O means the article/mail was read, but is not marked as read. E means the article/mail was read and marked as expirable ! means the article is marked to be kept You need to mark the articles as expirable as you read them. This means using the E key instead of the d when reading articles. This was annoying to me since I always want to expire articles/mail that I read and don't explicitly mark as keepable with the ! key. So, what I did was redefine my d key to mark the article as expirable instead of just read: (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook '(lambda () (local-set-key d 'gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable))) I think you'll find that if you go into the groups you marked as expirable and hit the E key next to the articles, which should get rid of the O mark you'll get the behavior you were expecting. A somewhat related problem: Normally read and dormant messages are hidden from the summary buffer. How do I *temporarily* make them visible? There is a group parameter called `display' that controls this, but I don't want to edit the group parameters every time I find myself wanting to reread an article I read two days ago. (But I'd like to keep the short format as the default.) Normally you just put the cursor by the group name and hit space. Instead, to temporarily make all articles visible, just hit C-u before you hit the space bar when selecting the group. Good Luck, gnus is a wonderful email handler, but it's a bit of a nightmare to configure. Gary
Re: expiring mail in Gnus
Ooops! Note the typo below. Gary Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] 3) And I think this is your main problem. Once you read an article it generally has one of three marks next to it: O means the article/mail was read, but is not marked as read. O means the article/mail was read, but is not marked as EXPIRABLE. Sorry about that, Gary
Re: expiring mail in Gnus
Matthias Hertel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'd like to configure Gnus to make reading debian-users somewhat newsgroup-like, ie. all messages that are read (as opposed to unread, ticked, or dormant) should be deleted from my disk after three days. This is a common concern and source of confusion, and I include myself among the confused. First of all, Xemacs20 and Emacs20 (unstable, potato versions) use different versions of gnus *and* different versions of the gnus info manual -- so be *sure* you're looking at the info doc that corresponds to the gnus that's actually running. (The main gnus info pages metion their versions, and M-x gnus-version will display the version your current emacs is using.) If you're focusing on Pterodactyl gnus, there has been some recent discussion about auto-expiring on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list (and you really *should* be subscribed to that list if you're testing Pterodactyl). There's a searchable ding mailing list archive at http://www.gnus.org/list-archives/ding/ which might prove helpful. I thought that setting the following group parameters for my debian-users group would accomplish this [...] But it doesn't. [...] I don't use auto-expire or total-expire myself (I prefer to 'E'-tag, the messages I want to expire), but I do have the following in my .gnus file: (setq nnmail-expiry-wait 2) ;; delete mail two days after it was (E)xpired (default was 7 days) ... so maybe you should see what nnmail-expiry-wait is for you? [...] A somewhat related problem: Normally read and dormant messages are hidden from the summary buffer. How do I *temporarily* make them visible? Try C-u SPC in the *Group* buffer. Good luck.
Re: Expiring mail articles in a region in Gnus?
Yves Arrouye [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to know how it is possible to expire mail articles in the current region in Gnus. I'm not knowledgeable about Gnus so I can't write it mself, but if someone has an idea or can help me, this would be great... Just select the messages and hit `E'. Most of the gnus commands use the same convention to figure out which messages to operate on. Given a prefix, they'll operate on the next N messages; given a region and if transient-mark-mode is t, they'll operate on the region; otherwise they'll operate on the current message. The documentation on Gnus is very well written. Also, someone sent me a nice intro to using Gnus to read mail. I lost it :-( If you read this message, please, send it again. I think that was Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Expiring mail articles in a region in Gnus?
Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you read this message, please, send it again. I think that was Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Missed the initial request, but I saw this. Email copy coming right up. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Expiring mail articles in a region in Gnus?
Hello, I'd like to know how it is possible to expire mail articles in the current region in Gnus. I'm not knowledgeable about Gnus so I can't write it mself, but if someone has an idea or can help me, this would be great... Also, someone sent me a nice intro to using Gnus to read mail. I lost it :-( If you read this message, please, send it again. Thanks in advance, Yves. -- Yves Arrouye Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7, avenue Leon BolleeWeb: http://www.fdn.fr/~yarrouye/ 75013 Paris Work: +33 45 95 64 59 France Home: +33 53 61 09 55 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
