Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 28/12/2023 09:28, David Wright wrote: On Thu 28 Dec 2023 at 09:11:34 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: Concerning appearance, right click on the toolbar context menu contains the "Customize toolbar" option. This dialog has "Title bar" checkbox at the bottom that may significantly change window decorations. Does this imply that their LibreOffice was also installed in such a manner, or is there a load of thematic stuff residing under ~/ that overrides the system's themes for a large number of applications? I am unsure what has happened with LibreOffice. In the case of Firefox that checkbox switches between client-side decorations and title bar drawn by the window manager (I hope, I am not too wrong making this statement). My impression is that default value have changed in some version. It is not change of the global theme, it is a specific way to apply it. My experience is that the result may look unusual.
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
Mike McClain wrote: > You are correct Tixy and my apologies. > Raspberry Pi advertises itself as Debian ... That's true and maybe somebody should request them to change the sig-on message when you log in to something more accurate?
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
You are correct Tixy and my apologies. Raspberry Pi advertises itself as Debian and I hadn't noticed that the sources.list only has raspberrypi,com in it. It was designed as a children's teaching aid which probably explains the auto update. Again my apologies for raising what turns out to be a false alarm for regular Debian users. Happy Holidays, Mike -- The universe is made of stories, not atoms. - Muriel Rukeyser
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On Thu 28 Dec 2023 at 09:11:34 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 28/12/2023 03:38, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Virus unlikely - flatpak / snap or any other packaging for Mozilla > > could do anything ... I suspect it's just an artefact of downloading > > the Mozilla site version rather than the Debian ESR version. > > Mozilla has created their own APT repository. Likely it is limited to > nightly, beta, and dev versions: > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2023/11/firefox-developer-edition-and-beta-try-out-mozillas-deb-package/ > > I consider it is unlikely, but output of > > apt policy firefox firefox-esr > > is definitely missed in this thread along with > > type -p firefox > type -p firefox-esr > > It may me more tricky to find a .desktop file responsible for > launching the browser from GUI. I would check > > ~/.local/share/applications > > Automatically updated Firefox suggests installation to a user directory. > > Concerning appearance, right click on the toolbar context menu > contains the "Customize toolbar" option. This dialog has "Title bar" > checkbox at the bottom that may significantly change window > decorations. Does this imply that their LibreOffice was also installed in such a manner, or is there a load of thematic stuff residing under ~/ that overrides the system's themes for a large number of applications? Cheers, David.
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 28/12/2023 03:38, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Virus unlikely - flatpak / snap or any other packaging for Mozilla could do anything ... I suspect it's just an artefact of downloading the Mozilla site version rather than the Debian ESR version. Mozilla has created their own APT repository. Likely it is limited to nightly, beta, and dev versions: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2023/11/firefox-developer-edition-and-beta-try-out-mozillas-deb-package/ I consider it is unlikely, but output of apt policy firefox firefox-esr is definitely missed in this thread along with type -p firefox type -p firefox-esr It may me more tricky to find a .desktop file responsible for launching the browser from GUI. I would check ~/.local/share/applications Automatically updated Firefox suggests installation to a user directory. Concerning appearance, right click on the toolbar context menu contains the "Customize toolbar" option. This dialog has "Title bar" checkbox at the bottom that may significantly change window decorations.
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 12/27/23, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 12/27/23, Mike McClain wrote: >> Mr. Martinez, >> I tried every thing I could think of with little success: >> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade >> apt update && apt -y full-upgrade >> apt-get reinstall firefox >> None of these restores firefox's black menus > > If they haven't already had other reports, maybe the similarities and > differences in what triggered that system wide fail and how it looked > visually for just the two of us will still help somehow. Had a thought while getting ready for evening chores. There IS a potential starting point for Mozilla bug folks to ponder: What program actions occur (backup saving, etc) and what files are touched when Firefox is safely restarted like yours, and what program actions occur (backup saving, etc) and what files are touched when Firefox hardcore crashes on its own the way it did for me? Kind of seems like there's a fruitful intersection point to be found there Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with Happy New Year's noise makers *
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 12/27/23, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > Logging out as my normal user and then logging back in as same user > didn't fix anything visually so I rebooted. The desktop environment > immediately returned to normal and has stayed that way so I flat out > forgot this happened. Amending that to say: You know what, I might not have been able to log my user out now that I think about that reasonable [debug] step yet again. It's possible that the only way to do anything was to exit the affected session by punching this laptop's hardware power on/off button. Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with Happy New Year's noise makers *
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 12/27/23, Mike McClain wrote: > Mr. Martinez, > I tried every thing I could think of with little success: > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > apt update && apt -y full-upgrade > apt-get reinstall firefox > None of these restores firefox's black menus Just out of curiosity, did you reboot at any point early on? That was the second thing I tried because simply logging out and then back in didn't correct this... when something very similar happened to me about 4 days ago.. > Mr. Walton, > I'm quite sure that FF > updated itself without asking. When it restarted the top three lines, > menu, tabs and address plus associated buttons were black with grey > text and bacically unreadable/unusable. Faced with that I'd suggest > you might get a bit dramatic too. I saw you say this before, and it just flew right past my brain. I think it was the word, "black," that threw me. My toolbars completely vanished for everything. There was nothing there to pick its own new theme color. :) The title bars stayed but were 100% useless. I couldn't click that "X"to close and "_" to minimize and arrow for window rollup (positioned on top right for my LXQt windows). I can't remember if "CTRL+Q" and that range of keyboard shortcuts worked or not. I surely tried them (that beauty of more than one way to do tasks), but I don't remember what happened. Logging out as my normal user and then logging back in as same user didn't fix anything visually so I rebooted. The desktop environment immediately returned to normal and has stayed that way so I flat out forgot this happened. As I'm proofreading this before sending, I can't remember how I rebooted. I can't remember if I was able to drop the main Application Menu down, or if I had to hit this laptop's physical hardware button because the menu had stopped working (too). I do remember that I somehow was able to access two windows, but once I got the second one on the desktop, the first one, my xfce4-terminal, would no longer respond to the cursor touching it to bring it back to the surface. That's telling me I likely tried to open another terminal instance but was not able to do so due to the primary panel likely suddenly becoming unworkable (at top for me). > The good news is that kerry_s on the Raspberry Pi forum showed me > where to change the screen theme. > >From the taskbar popup menu/Preferences/Appearance Settings/Defaults > choose: For medium screens: Set Defaults > kerry_s also said there was a theme selector there that I didn't see. > He's under wayland while I'm running X11 and that caused some confusion. > > I can't imagine why FF would choose to change desktop theme with their > update but that theme change also made LibreOffice, Draw, Calc and > Writer unusable. I hope you don't have this problem but at least if > you do get stung you may remember the fix. I really don't think Firefox is changing our themes on purpose. There would be a worldwide revolt if any package ever tried that. I believe this is a weird glitch that needs fixed QUICKLY because the changes we both experienced are unacceptable. Now that there is a party of two of us affected, I do hope that it's an accidental coding error and not something deliberately malicious. By the way, my instance has only occurred once so far. That was about four days ago. My Firefox was massively overloaded and crashed. Low memory due to that session's combined activity likely played a part. New sessions start out at 16GB RAM and 9 or 10GB swap. The "theme looking" change across entire Debian session (all programs) "snapped" in my face, like maybe there was nanosecond long visual light(?) flash or something. You're welcome (aka begged) to be the one to bug report this straight to Firefox/Mozilla. If you do report it, PLEASE, yes, do feel free to include my instance with your report, maybe by both copying this thread's text of what my machine experienced compared to yours and by also pointing to this Debian thread via e.g. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/. If they haven't already had other reports, maybe the similarities and differences in what triggered that system wide fail and how it looked visually for just the two of us will still help somehow. Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with Happy New Year's noise makers *
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 03:01:07PM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 12/27/23, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 11:05 -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > >> If I recall correctly, Firefox used to have a checkbox in the > >> preferences to permit or deny auto updates. In this version 121.0 for > >> the Raspberry PI, that's no longer so and I'm quite sure that FF > >> updated itself without asking. > > All bets are off ... not Debian, potentially > > Something still doesn't sound right. I've got that 121 off the Mozilla > website. It has to wait for my intervention. It complains that it does > not have permission to install each progressive update. In my beady > little brain, that's how it should be for safety's sake. > Standard disclaimers apply: other people and distributions do things differently. Raspberry Pi OS != Debian. > That said, I know that there are circumstances where the User can only > untar/install that outside package under something like > /home/user/(.)local. Number One reason would be the User does not have > any admin/root permissions. > > If that was the case, Mozilla would probably be able to silently run > all the updates it wants in the background. If that tar file was > untarred as root instead, Mozilla... can't touch this. > How do you know? You don't control what's provided ... in this instance, you are probably right. > The only other thing I can think of, and that I hate to have to type, > is virus so I hope it's "just" something about the permissions level > when the package is installed. Permissions would explain one part of > what happened. I'm going to respond to the other part in a few.. That > toolbar thing is a party of two > Virus unlikely - flatpak / snap or any other packaging for Mozilla could do anything ... I suspect it's just an artefact of downloading the Mozilla site version rather than the Debian ESR version. > Cindy :) > -- All the very best, as ever, Andy > Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA > * runs with birdseed * >
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On Wed 27 Dec 2023 at 18:19:16 (+), Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 11:05 -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > > If I recall correctly, Firefox used to have a checkbox in the > > preferences to permit or deny auto updates. In this version 121.0 for > > the Raspberry PI, that's no longer so and I'm quite sure that FF > > updated itself without asking. > > Debian's Firefox is the latest ESR version, i.e. 115, not 121, so it > seems like you've not been talking about a Debian package but something > you originally download and installed from somewhere else e.g. from > Mozilla's site or installed some flatpack or something. That might > explain why it didn't play nicely with your Debian desktop and wants to > update itself to new versions. (Non-ESR versions don't get security > updates so I assume whoever built the software you installed wanted > users to keep up-to-date and included a mechanism to ensure that.) It also raises the question of how FF managed to upgrade itself in the first place. Does this mean that the OP is running their browser from a root account? That seems very unwise to me. Or is this not really a Debian system at all? Cheers, David.
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On 12/27/23, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 11:05 -0600, Mike McClain wrote: >> If I recall correctly, Firefox used to have a checkbox in the >> preferences to permit or deny auto updates. In this version 121.0 for >> the Raspberry PI, that's no longer so and I'm quite sure that FF >> updated itself without asking. > > Debian's Firefox is the latest ESR version, i.e. 115, not 121, so it > seems like you've not been talking about a Debian package but something > you originally download and installed from somewhere else e.g. from > Mozilla's site or installed some flatpack or something. That might > explain why it didn't play nicely with your Debian desktop and wants to > update itself to new versions. (Non-ESR versions don't get security > updates so I assume whoever built the software you installed wanted > users to keep up-to-date and included a mechanism to ensure that.) Something still doesn't sound right. I've got that 121 off the Mozilla website. It has to wait for my intervention. It complains that it does not have permission to install each progressive update. In my beady little brain, that's how it should be for safety's sake. That said, I know that there are circumstances where the User can only untar/install that outside package under something like /home/user/(.)local. Number One reason would be the User does not have any admin/root permissions. If that was the case, Mozilla would probably be able to silently run all the updates it wants in the background. If that tar file was untarred as root instead, Mozilla... can't touch this. The only other thing I can think of, and that I hate to have to type, is virus so I hope it's "just" something about the permissions level when the package is installed. Permissions would explain one part of what happened. I'm going to respond to the other part in a few.. That toolbar thing is a party of two Cindy :) -- Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 11:05 -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > If I recall correctly, Firefox used to have a checkbox in the > preferences to permit or deny auto updates. In this version 121.0 for > the Raspberry PI, that's no longer so and I'm quite sure that FF > updated itself without asking. Debian's Firefox is the latest ESR version, i.e. 115, not 121, so it seems like you've not been talking about a Debian package but something you originally download and installed from somewhere else e.g. from Mozilla's site or installed some flatpack or something. That might explain why it didn't play nicely with your Debian desktop and wants to update itself to new versions. (Non-ESR versions don't get security updates so I assume whoever built the software you installed wanted users to keep up-to-date and included a mechanism to ensure that.) -- Tixy
Re: Firefox Warning [SOLVED]
Mr. Martinez, I tried every thing I could think of with little success: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade apt update && apt -y full-upgrade apt-get reinstall firefox None of these restores firefox's black menus Mr. Walton, I'm pleased to hear that you have not had the problems I've run into, however I had not initiated an update and though bookworm on the desktop occasionally pops up a window telling me of updates available and suggests I click the button on the taskbar to start the download, I've not seen evidence that the updates are done without my initiating same. If I recall correctly, Firefox used to have a checkbox in the preferences to permit or deny auto updates. In this version 121.0 for the Raspberry PI, that's no longer so and I'm quite sure that FF updated itself without asking. When it restarted the top three lines, menu, tabs and address plus associated buttons were black with grey text and bacically unreadable/unusable. Faced with that I'd suggest you might get a bit dramatic too. The good news is that kerry_s on the Raspberry Pi forum showed me where to change the screen theme. >From the taskbar popup menu/Preferences/Appearance Settings/Defaults choose: For medium screens: Set Defaults kerry_s also said there was a theme selector there that I didn't see. He's under wayland while I'm running X11 and that caused some confusion. I can't imagine why FF would choose to change desktop theme with their update but that theme change also made LibreOffice, Draw, Calc and Writer unusable. I hope you don't have this problem but at least if you do get stung you may remember the fix. Happy Holidays, Mike -- What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
