Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-04 Thread Janke Dávid

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From: Michael Heironimus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
  I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
  small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
  on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
  Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.

 I think most of the PC motherboards I've seen with dual NICs on-board
 have been expensive boards aimed at the high-end workstation and low-end
 server market. When they go on sale (every other week) you can pick up a
 cheap PCI card for $5-10, so that might very well be more economical.
 Most of these cheap cards are based on Realtek chips (so are most of the
 cheap on-board NICs), they're not exactly the best cards around but they
 do work.

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[Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-03 Thread Bill Moseley
Anyone built up a small firewall/mail machine lately?

I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.

Via C3 would be good.  I'm going to try to make the machine somewhat
silent, so the C3 would be nice.  But for this machine CPU power is not
critical, although it may run an imap server.



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Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-03 Thread Michael Heironimus
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
 I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
 small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
 on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
 Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.

I think most of the PC motherboards I've seen with dual NICs on-board
have been expensive boards aimed at the high-end workstation and low-end
server market. When they go on sale (every other week) you can pick up a
cheap PCI card for $5-10, so that might very well be more economical.
Most of these cheap cards are based on Realtek chips (so are most of the
cheap on-board NICs), they're not exactly the best cards around but they
do work.

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Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-03 Thread Bill Moseley
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Michael Heironimus wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
  I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
  small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
  on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
  Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.
 
 I think most of the PC motherboards I've seen with dual NICs on-board
 have been expensive boards aimed at the high-end workstation and low-end
 server market.

I see that.  For example, I was just looking at an Intel Entry S845WD1-E
board which sells for around $200 and wondering just what makes those
server borards more expensive.  It has dual nics, and Promise RAID, but
still seems expensive.

BTW -- on seller I was on the phone with commented that they are seeing
less support for linux form Intel (for the intel boards) in the last six
months.  Don't know if that means linux is lagging on support or if (as he
suggested) pressure from Microsoft.




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Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-03 Thread Alvin Oga


hi ya

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Michael Heironimus wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
  I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
  small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
  on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
  Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.

your looking for a tyan dual nic S2080GN mb .. about $125 .. w/ tualatin
p3 cpu

other mb that has onboard nic, onboard svga

http://www.Linux-1U.net/1U_Features/MotherBoards

- not many options w/ dual nics ... esp for low end

c ya
alvin
 


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Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.

2003-03-03 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
 Anyone built up a small firewall/mail machine lately?
 
 I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a
 small lan.  I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so
 on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions).
 Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with.
 
 Via C3 would be good.  I'm going to try to make the machine somewhat
 silent, so the C3 would be nice.  But for this machine CPU power is not
 critical, although it may run an imap server.

Is this for work or home.  The quietest will be to get old note-PC with 2
PCMCIA slots or one nic on main body. (few hundred $$ or free from your
friend)

That way you have UPS build in :-)

I use i486 50MHz which is good enough for home use.

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Re: Firewall Box

2000-09-18 Thread kmself
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 09:07:22AM -0500, Matt Kopishke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Hi, I need to implement a firewall at work.  It will be for the most part
 a pretty simple set up.  I am going to set one of our Linux Boxes between
 the Router and the Switch.  The Box has 3 NICs, one for the router side,
 one for the switch, and one for a backup cable connection.  We have a
 block of IPs, and we will need to get to machines behind the firewall from
 the out side so I don't want to use ipmasq.  What I plan on doing is just
 using ipchains to shutoff any unused ports, and strip the box of any
 questionable software (ie ssh instead of telnet).  Has any one tried such a
 set up?  And if they have could you pass on any pointers or things to
 watch out for?  I also see there are a few packages out there to aid
 setup, how well do they work?

Though I run Debian for my workstations (and a few servers), when it
came time to put up a masquerading firewall proxy server at home, I
turned to OpenBSD.  Wes Sonnenreich and Tom Yates have written a really
good book on the topic, _Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls_.  Highly
recommended.  Note that there are a coupld of version issues with the
book and current software (OpenBSD is now at 2.8pre, book was written to
2.5).  There's a website for more detailed and up-to-date info.

OpenBSD also has an excellent FAQ and very helpful mailing list.

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Firewall Box

2000-09-13 Thread Matt Kopishke
Hi, I need to implement a firewall at work.  It will be for the most part
a pretty simple set up.  I am going to set one of our Linux Boxes between
the Router and the Switch.  The Box has 3 NICs, one for the router side,
one for the switch, and one for a backup cable connection.  We have a
block of IPs, and we will need to get to machines behind the firewall from
the out side so I don't want to use ipmasq.  What I plan on doing is just
using ipchains to shutoff any unused ports, and strip the box of any
questionable software (ie ssh instead of telnet).  Has any one tried such a
set up?  And if they have could you pass on any pointers or things to
watch out for?  I also see there are a few packages out there to aid
setup, how well do they work?

Thanks, 

-Matt-

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Re: Firewall Box

2000-09-13 Thread Ray Percival
Try looking at the section on firewalling at the link pretty good info on 
testing and rule design. 
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/index.html

-- Original Message --
From: Matt Kopishke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:07:22 -0500 (EST)

Hi, I need to implement a firewall at work.  It will be for the most part
a pretty simple set up.  I am going to set one of our Linux Boxes between
the Router and the Switch.  The Box has 3 NICs, one for the router side,
one for the switch, and one for a backup cable connection.  We have a
block of IPs, and we will need to get to machines behind the firewall from
the out side so I don't want to use ipmasq.  What I plan on doing is just
using ipchains to shutoff any unused ports, and strip the box of any
questionable software (ie ssh instead of telnet).  Has any one tried such a
set up?  And if they have could you pass on any pointers or things to
watch out for?  I also see there are a few packages out there to aid
setup, how well do they work?

Thanks, 

-Matt-

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Re: Firewall Box

2000-09-13 Thread Michael Smith
Check out the debian firewall list.  It will tell all.

Matt Kopishke wrote:

 Hi, I need to implement a firewall at work.  It will be for the most part
 a pretty simple set up.  I am going to set one of our Linux Boxes between
 the Router and the Switch.  The Box has 3 NICs, one for the router side,
 one for the switch, and one for a backup cable connection.  We have a
 block of IPs, and we will need to get to machines behind the firewall from
 the out side so I don't want to use ipmasq.  What I plan on doing is just
 using ipchains to shutoff any unused ports, and strip the box of any
 questionable software (ie ssh instead of telnet).  Has any one tried such a
 set up?  And if they have could you pass on any pointers or things to
 watch out for?  I also see there are a few packages out there to aid
 setup, how well do they work?

 Thanks,

 -Matt-

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