Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[tomas]

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:02:51AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

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> You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to 
> forget.  
> I am over-sensitive to it at the moment, after my recent "discussion" on the 
> subject of CC's.

And I still feel a bit guilty. Oh, well :-)

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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 10:57 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
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> 
> Subject: Re: System craches when browsing a web site
> Date: Wednesday 28 October 2015, 01:56:08
> From: Charlie Kravetz 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:48:06 +0100
> Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:30 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
> >> within the confines of a VM I can say that
> >> 1) I can still access the TTYs and
> >> 2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
> >> and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long
> >> time
> >> to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in
> >> and
> >> out programs you might be using.  
> >
> >Very interesting. I retried loading the page in Epiphany and noticed
> >this in the terminal:
> >
> > radeon: mmap failed, errno: 12
> >
> >Trying to get a backtrace with gdb resulted in an X crash, so that page
> >is doing something WebKit or Epiphany doesn't like at all.
> >
> >I filed a bug here, to start with:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757213
> >
> >Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
> >with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
> 
> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
> >
This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.
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Abou Al Montacir

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Michael Biebl]

Am 28.10.2015 um 14:27 schrieb Abou Al Montacir:
> On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 10:57 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>>> Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
>>> with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
>>
>> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
>>>
> This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.

No, midori and ephiphany use different versions of WebKit.
midori uses WebKit1 (libwebkigtgtk-1.0-0), epiphany the newer WebKit2
(libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37)

The bug is more likely somewhere in the graphics stack, which is
triggered by WebKit2 (e.g. by offloading more stuff to the GPU).



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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 22:02 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
> Lisi

I keep forgetting, thanks for doing this! 

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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 12:54:08 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:02:51AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
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> [...]
>
> > You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to
> > forget. I am over-sensitive to it at the moment, after my recent
> > "discussion" on the subject of CC's.
>
> And I still feel a bit guilty. Oh, well :-)

:-)  And I so carefully didn't name you. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

> > Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
> > > 
> This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.

It's a problem with the Gtk+ backend of WebKit. If you follow the bug I
filed it was closed with a link here:

 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126122

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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 08:19:50 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 22:02 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
> > Lisi
>
> I keep forgetting, thanks for doing this!

You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to forget.  
I am over-sensitive to it at the moment, after my recent "discussion" on the 
subject of CC's.

Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Abou Al Montacir]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 07:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> --  Forwarded Message  --
> 
> Subject: Re: System craches when browsing a web site
> Date: Tuesday 27 October 2015, 01:39:58
> From: Glenn English 
> To: debianUsers 
> 
> 
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Abou Al Montacir  wrote:
> 
> > What fellow users think?
> 
> Toss the sucker and get one that works. There are billions and billions of 
> browsers around. Even some that aren't Microsoft or Mozilla :-)
> 
> And, no, Debian shouldn't do more than complain mildly when the browser has a 
> problem -- Debian stable has been bulletproof in my experience. But if a 
> connection error isn't being handled by the browser that tried to make the 
> connection, the browser was designed and written by folks who made one or 
> more big mistakes. Unless something really interesting is going on in 
> Debian's IP stack.
> 
> I hear that Google's Chromium works or Opera, to name a couple biggies.
> 
> You really don't need this. And the fix is (probably) simple.
> 
> -- 
> Glenn English
It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system, I don't care about
epiphany, I can use an other browser as you said, but just care about a stable
OS!
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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 09:27 +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
> It is not about a buggy program, it is about a stable system, I don't
> care about
> epiphany, I can use an other browser as you said, but just care about
> a stable
> OS!

Debian, and Linux in general, does handle buggy programs. But without
specifics, it's hard to say what where and why the bug is.

If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset. 

Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
to investigate. 

I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing. 

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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Curt]

On 2015-10-27, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
>
> If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
> a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset.=20
>
> Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
> to investigate.

Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380

Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).

Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.

Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
rectangular frisbee or something). 

Or are they still rectangular?

> I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing.
>
> Cheers,
> Sven Arvidsson
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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 17:07 +, Curt wrote:
> Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
> 
> Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
> 
> Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
> 
> Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> rectangular frisbee or something). 
> 
> Or are they still rectangular?

Probably the same, I get the same behaviour on both sites, with an AMD
GPU.

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Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP

Lisi

On Tuesday 27 October 2015 17:07:47 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-10-27, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> > If Epiphany starts eating RAM, the OOM-killer should handle it, if it's
> > a problem with a hang in the GPU, it should be reset.=20
> >
> > Before filing a bug, you, or anyone else who can reproduce the bug need
> > to investigate.
>
> Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
>
> Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
>
> Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
>
> Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> rectangular frisbee or something).
>
> Or are they still rectangular?
>
> > I cc'ed you, but consider subscribing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sven Arvidsson
> > http://www.whiz.se
> > PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

[Lisi Reisz]

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
Lisi


On Tuesday 27 October 2015 19:53:11 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 17:07 +, Curt wrote:
> > Somebody filed a bug report on October 19th.
> >
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802380
> >
> > Sounds similar to the OP's problem (but instead of blinq.com it's
> > a specific article on reuters.com--go figure).
> >
> > Nvidia video card with the nouveau driver.
> >
> > Nvidia sure has crashed its share of machines in its time (well, one
> > driver or another has, but without the driver the card's just a
> > rectangular frisbee or something).
> >
> > Or are they still rectangular?
>
> Probably the same, I get the same behaviour on both sites, with an AMD
> GPU.