Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
Quoting Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: If it's not possible to make screen read the default rather than an opt-in via click I'd call that a bug. I didn't try in any other way. Now it is on, so I'm happy :~) Yes, but one has to configure it explicitly, as it does not respect the global setting. Keyboard settings? Orca seems to ignore the global LANG setting (es_AR.UTF-8) and talks Spanish as an Englishman. To change the GDM language, No, I explained it wrong: The GDM language is just fine, but Orca was reading the Spanish menu in English. I solved it however: I could activate the Orca configuration dialog by pressing Insert+Space and change the Orca output language. Now it works! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140321062110.horde.lm6d0p0o3aa83dmvmczq...@webmail.in-berlin.de
Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
Quoting Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk:
First of all, I'd consider installing task-spanish-desktop. This will
install language packs for the common desktop applications (mainly
libreoffice and iceweasel).
Good hint! Interestingly, this installed also ant{,-optinal}.
This does not really fit my idea of a desktop application :~)
I could remove those later without any further packages removed.
Probably a recommends by one of the java packages...
Next, try adjusting the file
/var/lib/AccountsService/users/your-user-name to read
[User]
Language=es_ar.UTF-8
In fact, I just changed the system to es_AR.UTF-8 - this was
in this case the easiest solution.
Thanks anyway!
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Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
Quoting Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: I'm sorry, I know nothing of GNOME or Orca - I use KDE and it's accessibility reader (which also uses espeak). *But as no one else has replied yet...* This should 'probably' exist:- /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop Yes, with gdm3 instead of lightdm, the display manager now talks to me. I just have to switch it on once by pressing a symbol in the upper right corner. It has, however, while reading Spanish, an English voice, i.e. the pronounciation is totally wrong. It seems, that Orca does not respect the global language setting (es_AR.UTF-8 in this case, which would map to latin american spanish I presume). Espeak includes Spanish, and Orca uses espeak (apparently) - so it probably should work in Spanish. Yes, but one has to configure it explicitly, as it does not respect the global setting. For the display manager, I don't know how to configure it for gdm, so the login remains in English - not a deal breaker, just a bug. Many thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140321050943.horde.uihg3lk1norhmo8karbf...@webmail.in-berlin.de
Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
On 21/03/14 16:09, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: I'm sorry, I know nothing of GNOME or Orca - I use KDE and it's accessibility reader (which also uses espeak). *But as no one else has replied yet...* This should 'probably' exist:- /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop Yes, with gdm3 instead of lightdm, the display manager now talks to me. I just have to switch it on once by pressing a symbol in the upper right corner. If it's not possible to make screen read the default rather than an opt-in via click I'd call that a bug. From the Debian wiki page referenced at the bottom of this post:- su -s /bin/sh -c 'eval $(dbus-launch) ; export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID ; GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled true' Debian-gdm || true If that doesn't help... I like to hack, which is often a necessity anyway given the driving forces behind Open Source documentation are not as strong or immediate as those that drive development - on that basis I'd try these places for a means to make screenread the default:- ;/etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/* ;/etc/gdm/custom.conf It has, however, while reading Spanish, an English voice, i.e. the pronounciation is totally wrong. It seems, that Orca does not respect the global language setting (es_AR.UTF-8 in this case, which would map to latin american spanish I presume). I prefer festival to espeak (a little less Stephen Hawkings which makes it easier for me to pick up grammatical errors. Shouldn't be hard to configure (I hope) in GNOME. It's been a while since I tried mbrola, but here's a link to a guide which may prove useful (if you still have time and patience):- http://stormdragon.us/?p=37 Espeak includes Spanish, and Orca uses espeak (apparently) - so it probably should work in Spanish. Yes, but one has to configure it explicitly, as it does not respect the global setting. Keyboard settings? For the display manager, I don't know how to configure it for gdm, so the login remains in English - not a deal breaker, just a bug. Unfortunately I don't have time to install GNOME and test this, [*1] but perhaps this will help:- To change the GDM language, edit the file /var/lib/AccountsService/users/gdm and change the language line using the correct UTF-8 value for your language. You should see something similar to the text below: /var/lib/AccountsService/users/gdm [User] Language=fr_FR.UTF-8 XSession= SystemAccount=true [*1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#Change_the_language http://accessiblefreedom.org/pipermail/support_accessiblefreedom.org/2013-August/001798.html Many thanks! I hope the end-user appreciates your work as much as I do. Kind regards Other references:- https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GDM/EaseOfAccess https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility (could possibly benefit from your input) http://accessiblefreedom.org/pipermail/support_accessiblefreedom.org/2013-August/001798.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/532bd10d.9080...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 08:41:14PM +, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Hi, I'm trying to configure a laptop (Debian wheezy) for a visually impaired user, who speaks Spanish. I'm not sure, which desktop to install for her, so I tried the default (Gnome). It's been some time, that I tried Gnome, so I'm a little bit stupid with it: 1. How to configure the language (Spanish)? I tried it with System Settings - Region and Language - + - Select a language - Spanish - Select. Now Spanish appears twice in the list. I logged out and in again, as suggested by the settings dialog, but only the clock in the middle of the upper black bar seems to be in Spanish (mar = martes/Tuesday), everything else is still in English. I tried multiple times, but so far no success. es_AR.UTF-8 is a valid locale on the system, btw. Do I need to install a language pack for Gnome? First of all, I'd consider installing task-spanish-desktop. This will install language packs for the common desktop applications (mainly libreoffice and iceweasel). Next, try adjusting the file /var/lib/AccountsService/users/your-user-name to read [User] Language=es_ar.UTF-8 This might tell a few more applications to change language. es_AR doesn't strike me as a particularly unpopular language, but bear in mind that translation tends to have fairly low priority for developers. If you find that an application is honouring the change of language but is still in English, then it may be that there's no translation available for it. If you fancy, I'm sure the developers would appreciate any help in that regard. 2. How to configure speech synthesis for login and logout? It seems, that neither the login (lightdm) nor the logout dialog (Gnome shell?) talks to me. When I'm logged in, Orca talks to me (in English). Would this work with gdm and/or do I need to configure anything for this? Thanks in advance! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140318204114.horde.px0hj6yp7ouy015bhbms...@webmail.in-berlin.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
On 19/03/14 07:41, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Hi, I'm trying to configure a laptop (Debian wheezy) for a visually impaired user, who speaks Spanish. snipped 2. How to configure speech synthesis for login and logout? I'm sorry, I know nothing of GNOME or Orca - I use KDE and it's accessibility reader (which also uses espeak). *But as no one else has replied yet...* This should 'probably' exist:- /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop It seems, that neither the login (lightdm) nor the logout dialog (Gnome shell?) talks to me. When I'm logged in, Orca talks to me (in English). Espeak includes Spanish, and Orca uses espeak (apparently) - so it probably should work in Spanish. Would this work with gdm and/or do I need to configure anything for this? It 'should' - I can't test these, but they confirm it's possible and should provide clues on how to achieve the same things in Debian:- https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2007-November/msg00196.html https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility#starting_Gnome https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Thanks in advance! The end user may find this useful:- http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-es-list Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53298078.3020...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
On 19/03/14 22:33, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/03/14 07:41, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Hi, snipped This should 'probably' exist:- /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop snipped Apologies - I meant to add:- I'm not sure if you can do this with lightdm (autostart orca at the login prompt). It might be simpler to use a login manager like gdm with more features. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/532983d7.9050...@gmail.com
Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user
Hi, I'm trying to configure a laptop (Debian wheezy) for a visually impaired user, who speaks Spanish. I'm not sure, which desktop to install for her, so I tried the default (Gnome). It's been some time, that I tried Gnome, so I'm a little bit stupid with it: 1. How to configure the language (Spanish)? I tried it with System Settings - Region and Language - + - Select a language - Spanish - Select. Now Spanish appears twice in the list. I logged out and in again, as suggested by the settings dialog, but only the clock in the middle of the upper black bar seems to be in Spanish (mar = martes/Tuesday), everything else is still in English. I tried multiple times, but so far no success. es_AR.UTF-8 is a valid locale on the system, btw. Do I need to install a language pack for Gnome? 2. How to configure speech synthesis for login and logout? It seems, that neither the login (lightdm) nor the logout dialog (Gnome shell?) talks to me. When I'm logged in, Orca talks to me (in English). Would this work with gdm and/or do I need to configure anything for this? Thanks in advance! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140318204114.horde.px0hj6yp7ouy015bhbms...@webmail.in-berlin.de
