Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:29:45 +, Harishankar wrote: I'm using HPLIP /CUPS with the hpcups driver to print using my hp psc 1315 printer. Has anybody had the issue that during a print job it is impossible to ask the printer to use both the BW and colour cartridge at the same time? I mean, if you select Normal Color it prints even black text using the colour cartridge (giving a non-sharp brownish grey effect) and when I select Normal Greyscale it is impossible to print in colour? I had the same problem using HPIJS drivers as well but the HPCUPS haven't solved the problem either? Has anybody ever successfully printed a multi-coloured document with both the BW and colour cartridge used where black is printed using the BW cartridge and other colours printed using the colour cartridge like in Windows? This seems closely related to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+sour ... bug/235399 Seems nobody at HP have resolved the issue related to Linux printing or am I doing something wrong? -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org) Just an update: I've followed up this as a bug report to Debian as well as posted a message on an existing report at launchpad. I believe that newer printers in the same range have automatic colour conversion in firmware which would resolve the issue? -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i333k5$up...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver is more intelligent). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function printers fall into the category of cheap and unintelligent (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) Your printer support status is listed here: *** http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: *** http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 LIDIL-specific issues Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. Just note you are talking about two issues, here: 1/ Choosing black-only or gray-scale uses color cartridge. IMO, that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, although HP can say it's a feature :-/ 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.06.44...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver is more intelligent). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function printers fall into the category of cheap and unintelligent (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) Your printer support status is listed here: *** http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: *** http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 LIDIL-specific issues Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. Just note you are talking about two issues, here: 1/ Choosing black-only or gray-scale uses color cartridge. IMO, that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, although HP can say it's a feature :-/ Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print black using the black cartridge. 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. Greetings, Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use both cartridges in one print job. -- Camaleón -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2ttn2$ra...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver is more intelligent). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function printers fall into the category of cheap and unintelligent (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) Your printer support status is listed here: *** http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: *** http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 LIDIL-specific issues Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. Just note you are talking about two issues, here: 1/ Choosing black-only or gray-scale uses color cartridge. IMO, that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, although HP can say it's a feature :-/ Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print black using the black cartridge. 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. Greetings, Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use both cartridges in one print job. -- Camaleón -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do Normal Greyscale printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure BW or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed BW/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2tu13$ra...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. (...) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do Normal Greyscale printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure BW or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed BW/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design feature. Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.02...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver is more intelligent). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function printers fall into the category of cheap and unintelligent (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? Maybe you are requesting too much for your device :-) Your printer support status is listed here: *** http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/psc/psc_1310_series.html - Support level: Partial (See note11.) - Unsupported feature(s): Reduced print quality and/or print speed (See note12.) *** And if you read on (note 12), you find this other KB: *** http://hplipopensource.com/node/313 LIDIL-specific issues Most Linux customers may find LIDIL printers to provide very good cost/ value since these printers work well with HPLIP for the majority of print jobs. However, for Linux customers who require the highest level of print speed and quality (matching the published specs for these LIDIL devices) these LIDIL printers matched with HPLIP may not meet their needs. We recommend those customers purchase a PCL or PostScript-based inkjet or LaserJet product. *** Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. Just note you are talking about two issues, here: 1/ Choosing black-only or gray-scale uses color cartridge. IMO, that should not happen and could be indeed a bug of the printer printer, although HP can say it's a feature :-/ Actually this works fine for me. Choosing greyscale option prints using the black cartridge, but using the colour cartridge does not use print black using the black cartridge. 2/ Having an option to selective control when to use the color cartridge or pure black for printing fine quality photos. That is a feature that I've seen available only in medium/high level printers. Greetings, Actually this works in windows. It prints colour using colour cartridge and black text using black cartridge in the same print job. I think the Windows driver provided by HP officially actually does the job within the driver to instruct the printer. It might be a firmware issue but whatever it is, I am sure it is possible on my printer to use both cartridges in one print job. -- Camaleón -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do Normal Greyscale printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure BW or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed BW/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) Wow... I just checked the difference between Linux and Windows printing using my printer. The speed difference is also amazing. In Windows the printer responds so quickly and also prints the page fast. The black and greyscale parts of the printed page are crisp, sharp and clear (as it clearly uses the black cartridge) and the colours are rendered using the colour cartridge as per normal. So well yes, the Linux drivers STILL face this issue and I'm not sure whether it will ever be fixed at all. Even the old hpijs drivers have the same issue and so does the new hpcups driver. I feel very disappointed that I cannot take multi-colour
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. (...) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do Normal Greyscale printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure BW or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed BW/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design feature. Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón I just followed up before I read your message and actually the answer to your question is YES, the device does support multiple cartridges, in Windows the printer use both cartridges to print a page which has multi- colours and it is clear that the device does support the feature. Under Linux the black text is blurred and not so black when printing pages in colour mode. It's a real nuisance and pain to see colour wasted and the output so bad compared to when using the black cartridge. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u1b1$5u...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible that the linux printer driver cannot handle all of the advanced options. (...) I'd like to add the note/clarification that the exact issue I'm having is NOT that the printer uses colour cartridge when instructed to do Normal Greyscale printing -- that works as expected and is good enough for printing pure BW or greyscale documents. It's that the printer DOES not use black cartridge when instructed to print a document in colour that has both colour graphics/text and black. Most colour documents are of that nature, so using full colour for even black results in poor print quality not to mention wastage of colour ink for black (when the result is better with a black cartridge) I was mentioning that in Windows, the HP driver handles this automatically and doesn't need any special options, but in Linux, printing mixed BW/colour documents always takes longer and the results are poorer because the black cartridge is never used. I am surprised that Linux HP drivers haven't fixed the issue at all over the years. I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design feature. Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón So your answer is basically go buy a more expensive printer I don't need just to fix this problem. Also I need an MFD. We scan and copy frequently and I don't want to spend even more on a laser MFD. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u1is$5u...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:09:05 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design feature. Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) I just followed up before I read your message and actually the answer to your question is YES, the device does support multiple cartridges, Of course... it's a colour printer. in Windows the printer use both cartridges to print a page which has multi-colours and it is clear that the device does support the feature. Under Linux the black text is blurred and not so black when printing pages in colour mode. Because you bought an entry-level device that was designed for windows and it's not fully supported under linux. Live with that, at least you can print :-P It's a real nuisance and pain to see colour wasted and the output so bad compared to when using the black cartridge. Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a printer. Today is a *must* to be informed on the linux support for any piece of hardware, mostly for scanning devices (printers are getting better support those days). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.17...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:09:05 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design feature. Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a windows driver to be properly detected and configured, fake-raid controllers, etc...). As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) I just followed up before I read your message and actually the answer to your question is YES, the device does support multiple cartridges, Of course... it's a colour printer. in Windows the printer use both cartridges to print a page which has multi-colours and it is clear that the device does support the feature. Under Linux the black text is blurred and not so black when printing pages in colour mode. Because you bought an entry-level device that was designed for windows and it's not fully supported under linux. Live with that, at least you can print :-P It's a real nuisance and pain to see colour wasted and the output so bad compared to when using the black cartridge. Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a printer. Today is a *must* to be informed on the linux support for any piece of hardware, mostly for scanning devices (printers are getting better support those days). Greetings, -- Camaleón I think that was harsh of you. I have this printer for a long time 4 - 5 years and it has served me very well. We've been using this printer and it has given no issues in every other way. I've seen this problem on Linux for a long long time and every time I assumed it was something I did wrong, but apparently the bug has existed for a long time (and I do consider it a bug, not a feature) Unfortunately until HP really takes Linux seriously I doubt whether it will have the desired impact. And no, I prefer not spending on devices just to get it working under Linux. I print occasionally anyway and it doesn't justify the extra cost either. A PSC was good enough for us then and it's good enough now. I really thought that the cartridge issue would be resolved by now. Apologies for my responses, but I have got really really frustrated these days with the mediocre level of support given by hardware manufacturers for Linux. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u23l$5u...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:13:16 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) So your answer is basically go buy a more expensive printer I don't need just to fix this problem. No, but keep you informed *before* buying. Also I need an MFD. We scan and copy frequently and I don't want to spend even more on a laser MFD. Then you have to spend your money in a good device that have all such features and it's fully supported on your linux box. There are tons of hardware devices out there that simply do not work or are not fully supported in linux :-/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.22...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:55 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:13:16 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based) do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced features come with the hardware you are buying... and the money you spend on it :-) So your answer is basically go buy a more expensive printer I don't need just to fix this problem. No, but keep you informed *before* buying. Where was this information available then? I keep asking this, this is such an obscure issue that it surfaces only after I take a colour document printout? Even googling this issue I find very few articles referring to this particular drawback of Linux drivers. It's a feature I would have expected to work 99% of the time. Calling me out on being unaware of this specific bug is not very kind of you! Also I need an MFD. We scan and copy frequently and I don't want to spend even more on a laser MFD. Then you have to spend your money in a good device that have all such features and it's fully supported on your linux box. There are tons of hardware devices out there that simply do not work or are not fully supported in linux :-/ Greetings, -- Camaleón AFAIK, spending more money on hardware does not guarantee success with Linux. I've had expensive hardware also fail to work on Linux before. So yes, I understand that you need to state this, but I have been a Debian user for over 8 years now and I don't need to be told this specifically. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u2hn$9v...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:14 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a printer. Today is a *must* to be informed on the linux support for any piece of hardware, mostly for scanning devices (printers are getting better support those days). I think that was harsh of you. I have this printer for a long time 4 - 5 years and it has served me very well. We've been using this printer and it has given no issues in every other way. We all (users) have -or have had- some piece of hardware that it's not working with Linux. That is the crude fact, nothing strange here. I've seen this problem on Linux for a long long time and every time I assumed it was something I did wrong, but apparently the bug has existed for a long time (and I do consider it a bug, not a feature) You (or me) can call it as we want. It's HP who has the power to correct it or adding that option. Unfortunately until HP really takes Linux seriously I doubt whether it will have the desired impact. So add yourself to the bug you found or open a new one. And no, I prefer not spending on devices just to get it working under Linux. I print occasionally anyway and it doesn't justify the extra cost either. A PSC was good enough for us then and it's good enough now. Then keep it, that's up to you. You asked for a feature that was not available for your device and I tried to help you to diagnose a configuration problem (that lastly it turned out it was not). I really thought that the cartridge issue would be resolved by now. Apologies for my responses, but I have got really really frustrated these days with the mediocre level of support given by hardware manufacturers for Linux. Yes, we all suffer for that. But HP is making a good job with HPLIP just... just that not all devices have the same good support for the drivers. I suppose older MFP lack some fetaures while newer ones, don't. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.33...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:33:00 +, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:14 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a printer. Today is a *must* to be informed on the linux support for any piece of hardware, mostly for scanning devices (printers are getting better support those days). I think that was harsh of you. I have this printer for a long time 4 - 5 years and it has served me very well. We've been using this printer and it has given no issues in every other way. We all (users) have -or have had- some piece of hardware that it's not working with Linux. That is the crude fact, nothing strange here. I've seen this problem on Linux for a long long time and every time I assumed it was something I did wrong, but apparently the bug has existed for a long time (and I do consider it a bug, not a feature) You (or me) can call it as we want. It's HP who has the power to correct it or adding that option. Unfortunately until HP really takes Linux seriously I doubt whether it will have the desired impact. So add yourself to the bug you found or open a new one. And no, I prefer not spending on devices just to get it working under Linux. I print occasionally anyway and it doesn't justify the extra cost either. A PSC was good enough for us then and it's good enough now. Then keep it, that's up to you. You asked for a feature that was not available for your device and I tried to help you to diagnose a configuration problem (that lastly it turned out it was not). Why we should consider it a non-available feature when it works under Windows? I know it's not an intelligent printer, but isn't it the job of the device driver to take care of those issues? If HP are actively involved in it??? I really thought that the cartridge issue would be resolved by now. Apologies for my responses, but I have got really really frustrated these days with the mediocre level of support given by hardware manufacturers for Linux. Yes, we all suffer for that. But HP is making a good job with HPLIP just... just that not all devices have the same good support for the drivers. I suppose older MFP lack some fetaures while newer ones, don't. Greetings, -- Camaleón I would have thought HP if they were involved in the development of the HPLIP drivers would have fixed a simple issue like that on old or new printers particularly as they support the device 100% under Windows. I am not saying that they're not doing a good job, it's just strange that they have neglected to include an important series of low-end MF printers which a lot of us use at homes. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u31g$9v...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Friday 30 July 2010 09:29:44 Harishankar wrote: So your answer is basically go buy a more expensive printer I don't need just to fix this problem. No, but keep you informed *before* buying. Where was this information available then? http://www.google.co.uk/linux?num=30hl=enq=linux+compatible+printersbtnG=Searchmeta= Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201007300947.48316.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:29:44 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:55 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) So your answer is basically go buy a more expensive printer I don't need just to fix this problem. No, but keep you informed *before* buying. Where was this information available then? Dunno... did you ask HP in that time, for instance? I keep asking this, this is such an obscure issue that it surfaces only after I take a colour document printout? Obscure? Not, is just an option that is not avaialble for some printer models, not only yours, calm down. Even googling this issue I find very few articles referring to this particular drawback of Linux drivers. It can be that not all people is interested in that feature. But again, if it was so important for you, you better had asked HP directly to be sure about your buying. Now there is little you can do, just complain :-( It's a feature I would have expected to work 99% of the time. I, knowing how these things work, don't. Calling me out on being unaware of this specific bug is not very kind of you! Well, I am stating a fact: you were unaware that some concrete function was not a option for your device. You call that be not very kind? Okay, I call that to be unaware :-) Then you have to spend your money in a good device that have all such features and it's fully supported on your linux box. There are tons of hardware devices out there that simply do not work or are not fully supported in linux :-/ AFAIK, spending more money on hardware does not guarantee success with Linux. I've had expensive hardware also fail to work on Linux before. So yes, I understand that you need to state this, but I have been a Debian user for over 8 years now and I don't need to be told this specifically. Spend money with hardware that will work as you expect. Ask manufactures to get the full capabilities with Linux (I do), ask in the forums to get more feedback (I also do), and then pray for the best... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.08.52...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
Dne, 30. 07. 2010 10:06:18 je Harishankar napisal(a): Wow... I just checked the difference between Linux and Windows printing using my printer. The speed difference is also amazing. In Windows the printer responds so quickly and also prints the page fast. The black and greyscale parts of the printed page are crisp, sharp and clear (as it clearly uses the black cartridge) and the colours are rendered using the colour cartridge as per normal. So well yes, the Linux drivers STILL face this issue and I'm not sure whether it will ever be fixed at all. Even the old hpijs drivers have the same issue and so does the new hpcups driver. I feel very disappointed that I cannot take multi-colour document printouts properly in Linux even after all these years. :-( Not to worry. Cheap printers are designed to die fast, so in a year or two you'll be shopping for a new printer anyway. When you do, be sure to check the hplip compatibility page *first*, and only buy a printer that has *full* hplip support. It's what I did prior to buying my last inkjet, and I must say I've never regretted it since (well, with the exception of the cartridge prices which are a ripoff.) I simply don't buy any hardware that isn't well supported in GNU/Linux: I've learned that doing my research *first* is waaay better than pulling my hair out and flooding Linux support forums later. For what it's worth, by purchasing a Linux-compatible device I increase its market success by 1 unit, so I also send a message to the manufacturers (well, sort of). P.S. Could you please trim your posts? -- Regards, and sorry for not being of any practical help Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1280480550.354...@compax
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:38:08 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:33:00 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Then keep it, that's up to you. You asked for a feature that was not available for your device and I tried to help you to diagnose a configuration problem (that lastly it turned out it was not). Why we should consider it a non-available feature when it works under Windows? I know it's not an intelligent printer, but isn't it the job of the device driver to take care of those issues? If HP are actively involved in it??? HP manufactures many type of printer devices: PCL based, Postscript based and low-end devices mainly for windows. You bought the latter which is linux featured lacking, bad luck. HP provides support and bug management via webpage: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html (...) I would have thought HP if they were involved in the development of the HPLIP drivers would have fixed a simple issue like that on old or new printers particularly as they support the device 100% under Windows. Maybe is just they cannot add that feature for linux unless they re- design from scratch the printer. Many of those low-end hardware based devices impede that possibility :-? I am not saying that they're not doing a good job, it's just strange that they have neglected to include an important series of low-end MF printers which a lot of us use at homes. Ask them for that. They will tell you whether tecnically possible or just a market strategy. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.09.01...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
Ask them for that. They will tell you whether tecnically possible or just a market strategy. Actually the HPIJS driver for this device has the setting: Resolution, Quality, Ink Type, Media Type: 300dpi color black + color cartridge But it is obviously ignored. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u4n7$hl...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:02:30 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Not to worry. Cheap printers are designed to die fast, so in a year or two you'll be shopping for a new printer anyway. When you do, be sure to check the hplip compatibility page *first*, and only buy a printer that has *full* hplip support. It's what I did prior to buying my last inkjet, and I must say I've never regretted it since (well, with the exception of the cartridge prices which are a ripoff.) I simply don't buy any hardware that isn't well supported in GNU/Linux: I've learned that doing my research *first* is waaay better than pulling my hair out and flooding Linux support forums later. For what it's worth, by purchasing a Linux-compatible device I increase its market success by 1 unit, so I also send a message to the manufacturers (well, sort of). P.S. Could you please trim your posts? Actually this printer has been used for 4-5 years now and it still appears to be going strong. It seems I got lucky??? I appreciate HP products, but I feel these issues are not particularly on the top of your mind while shopping for a printer. Especially considering that I already knew that HP printers are supported. Linux awareness is pretty low in India generally even though it's popularity is rising. Determining the level of support for a device is more information than I can expect from a salesman leave alone a technician. (I buy my products from a dealer, not HP directly.) -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u4rq$hl...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Friday 30 July 2010 10:09:14 Harishankar wrote: I appreciate HP products, but I feel these issues are not particularly on the top of your mind while shopping for a printer. Perhaps they should be! They are certainly at the top of my mind when I buy _any_ hardware that I intend to use with Linux. And printers and scanners are so easy to check. And I do the research myself - it is no good asking salesmen. yer what? is the commonest response. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201007301020.47738.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:06:48 +, Harishankar wrote: Ask them for that. They will tell you whether tecnically possible or just a market strategy. Actually the HPIJS driver for this device has the setting: Resolution, Quality, Ink Type, Media Type: 300dpi color black + color cartridge But it is obviously ignored. Then, care to fill a bug at HPLIP site? If the option is there (you said *it was not*) it should work. If not, you can report it. Choose a PDF file of your choice (with high levels of black) and print out a sample page from windows and then print the same page with linux. In both cases, select color+black from driver settings and then scan both pages to send it out to HPLIP devels. They will tell :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.10.06...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:06:49 +, Camaleón wrote: Then, care to fill a bug at HPLIP site? If the option is there (you said *it was not*) it should work. If not, you can report it. Choose a PDF file of your choice (with high levels of black) and print out a sample page from windows and then print the same page with linux. In both cases, select color+black from driver settings and then scan both pages to send it out to HPLIP devels. They will tell :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón The bug was filed - I think I mentioned it in my first post. The status on the issue has been the same for years. The ACTUAL option was not available in the newer hpcups driver, but it is available in the older hpijs driver, but the result is the same. :-( That's why I haven't filed a bug. HPLIP developers haven't cared for it for years (?) Never read an official response. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u8rj$vh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:20:47 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Friday 30 July 2010 10:09:14 Harishankar wrote: I appreciate HP products, but I feel these issues are not particularly on the top of your mind while shopping for a printer. Perhaps they should be! They are certainly at the top of my mind when I buy _any_ hardware that I intend to use with Linux. And printers and scanners are so easy to check. And I do the research myself - it is no good asking salesmen. yer what? is the commonest response. Lisi To be honest it was so long ago that I don't remember at all what was the thought process. I wasn't probably even aware that the cartridge selection and usage would be a problem on a colour printer. It's easy to be wise after the fact, but back then it never struck my mind. All I knew was the printer was supported in Linux. The actual levels of support has not occurred to me. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2u8va$vh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
Dne, 30. 07. 2010 11:20:47 je Lisi napisal(a): And I do the research myself - it is no good asking salesmen. yer what? is the commonest response. You may consider yourself lucky. Here in Slovenia, try check the personal care department! is their commonest response. Linex happens to be a much advertised brand of adult diapers. Hmm, this is becoming slightly offtopic ... -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1280485552.354...@compax
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:17:23 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:06:49 +, Camaleón wrote: Then, care to fill a bug at HPLIP site? If the option is there (you said *it was not*) it should work. If not, you can report it. (...) The bug was filed - I think I mentioned it in my first post. The status on the issue has been the same for years. Mmm... it is not clear to me -from the bug you pointed- what driver options was using the reporter (hplip or hpijs). The ACTUAL option was not available in the newer hpcups driver, but it is available in the older hpijs driver, but the result is the same. :-( That is a different bug you should report (meaning: hpjis has the possibility to select using black cartridge -which fails- and hlpip does not). It's a missing feature. That's why I haven't filed a bug. HPLIP developers haven't cared for it for years (?) Never read an official response. If you leave it and don't insist, they won't do anything :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.10.35...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:35:29 +, Camaleón wrote: If you leave it and don't insist, they won't do anything :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón I have to create a launchpad account to report the bug? Nevertheless I suppose I might have to add my voice. Problem is it appears hpijs has been deprecated in favour of hpcups and now I am wondering whether the printout quality was an intentional omission. With the HPCUPs driver I cannot even select the DPI resolution :-( -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2uabb$vh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:42:52 +, Harishankar wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:35:29 +, Camaleón wrote: If you leave it and don't insist, they won't do anything :-( I have to create a launchpad account to report the bug? Nevertheless I suppose I might have to add my voice. I'm afraid yes because HPLIP uses launchpad to handle support questions and bug reports. Problem is it appears hpijs has been deprecated in favour of hpcups and now I am wondering whether the printout quality was an intentional omission. With the HPCUPs driver I cannot even select the DPI resolution :-( Well, HPLIP usually provide more options than the old HPIJS, but indeed, losing feataures (even they do not work) should be avoided :-) As per HPLIP resolutions, if you examine the PPD file, you get: *** *OutputMode NormalRGB/Normal Color: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 1/OutputType(0)/cupsString0(PlainNormalColor)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *OutputMode NormalGray/Normal Grayscale: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 2/OutputType(0)/cupsString0(PlainNormalGrayK)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *OutputMode DraftRGB/Draft Color: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 0/OutputType(-1)/cupsString0(PlainDraftColor)/HWResolution[300 300]setpagedevice *OutputMode DraftGray/Draft Grayscale: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 2/OutputType(-1)/cupsString0(PlainDraftGrayK)/HWResolution[300 300]setpagedevice *OutputMode Photo/High-Resolution Photo: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 0/OutputType(2)/cupsString0(PhotoBestPhotoColor)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *** So, 300ppp/600ppp are hidden but are there. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.30.11.02...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:02:04 +, Camaleón wrote: Well, HPLIP usually provide more options than the old HPIJS, but indeed, losing feataures (even they do not work) should be avoided :-) I was wondering the same - why the hpcups interface is so bare compared to the old hpijs printer driver. As per HPLIP resolutions, if you examine the PPD file, you get: *** *OutputMode NormalRGB/Normal Color: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 1/OutputType(0)/cupsString0(PlainNormalColor)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *OutputMode NormalGray/Normal Grayscale: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 2/OutputType(0)/cupsString0(PlainNormalGrayK)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *OutputMode DraftRGB/Draft Color: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 0/OutputType(-1)/cupsString0(PlainDraftColor)/HWResolution[300 300]setpagedevice *OutputMode DraftGray/Draft Grayscale: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 2/OutputType(-1)/cupsString0(PlainDraftGrayK)/HWResolution[300 300]setpagedevice *OutputMode Photo/High-Resolution Photo: /cupsColorSpace 1/cupsBitsPerColor 8/cupsRowStep 0/OutputType(2)/cupsString0(PhotoBestPhotoColor)/HWResolution[600 600]setpagedevice *** So, 300ppp/600ppp are hidden but are there. Greetings, -- Camaleón This is interesting to note. Apparently the web interface for CUPS is not exposing the settings. But even the hplip-gui tools don't seem to have the settings necessary to control printout quality and ink-type. I think this implies that the hpcups driver is more intelligent than the old hpijs one and should automatically detect the type of ink to be used, but it hasn't worked so far with my printer. SO far I haven't read any threads dealing with the hpcups driver. Most of the online discussions on this issue are centered around the old driver interface. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2uc0g$vh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:09:01 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:45:58 +, Harishankar wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:53:59 +, Camaleón wrote: Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Actually hpcups has generated a PPD file on its own called HP_PSC_1315.ppd in /etc/cups/ppd Just ensure you have the lastest PPD version. No, don't unistall HPLIP. Just check the PPD file is up-to-date. I am not sure whether the PPD is supplied by the hpcups driver. Is it recommended that I switch back to the old hpijs driver (it seems to make no difference to this issue anyway. No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. Greetings, -- Camaleón Thank you. I am going to uninstall the printer and retry with your suggested latest version of the PPD file. -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2s41u$d4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:43:10 +, Harishankar wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:09:01 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. Thank you. I am going to uninstall the printer and retry with your suggested latest version of the PPD file. No need to unistall. Just add a new printer in Cups using the latest PPD file, that's all. Remember that you can have as many printers as you like (even for the same device!), each one using a different driver or using different default options :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.29.14.57...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:09:01 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:45:58 +, Harishankar wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:53:59 +, Camaleón wrote: Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Actually hpcups has generated a PPD file on its own called HP_PSC_1315.ppd in /etc/cups/ppd Just ensure you have the lastest PPD version. No, don't unistall HPLIP. Just check the PPD file is up-to-date. I am not sure whether the PPD is supplied by the hpcups driver. Is it recommended that I switch back to the old hpijs driver (it seems to make no difference to this issue anyway. No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. Greetings, -- Camaleón After I installed the latest PPD file for the printer I still see only the following options in printer settings: Normal Color Normal Grayscale Draft Color Draft Grayscale High Resolution Photo I see nothing about the printer settings to suggest that this latest PPD is different from the earlier driver. :-( Should I try printing a test document to see if both BW and color cartridge are used to print multi-color documents with black text? (I'm not too hopeful :-( -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2s55a$hu...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:02:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:09:01 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. After I installed the latest PPD file for the printer I still see only the following options in printer settings: Normal Color Normal Grayscale Draft Color Draft Grayscale High Resolution Photo I see nothing about the printer settings to suggest that this latest PPD is different from the earlier driver. :-( If there are no more options for the printer, maybe it's by design. Not all printers allow the same settings :-? Does the windows driver provide addional settings than the linux one? Should I try printing a test document to see if both BW and color cartridge are used to print multi-color documents with black text? (I'm not too hopeful :-( I think it won't work. You need to be able to define this: *** Text Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Graphics Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Photographs Neutral Grays: [x] 4 colour / black only *** And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.29.16.15...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:02:03 +, Harishankar wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:09:01 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. After I installed the latest PPD file for the printer I still see only the following options in printer settings: Normal Color Normal Grayscale Draft Color Draft Grayscale High Resolution Photo I see nothing about the printer settings to suggest that this latest PPD is different from the earlier driver. :-( If there are no more options for the printer, maybe it's by design. Not all printers allow the same settings :-? Does the windows driver provide addional settings than the linux one? Should I try printing a test document to see if both BW and color cartridge are used to print multi-color documents with black text? (I'm not too hopeful :-( I think it won't work. You need to be able to define this: *** Text Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Graphics Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Photographs Neutral Grays: [x] 4 colour / black only *** And those options are not available for your printer, neither using the old PPD nor the lastest :-( Greetings, -- Camaleón I am sure that it was a bug because I cannot afford to waste multi colour cartridge to generate the black text on pages where I need colour output also. It does work that way in Windows (maybe because the driver is more intelligent). I'm sure the HP PSC series of Multi-function printers fall into the category of cheap and unintelligent (that is the printer won't do the grunt work of choosing which cartridge to use for what type of output). All I need is black text and greyscale graphics to print with black ink cartridge and colour text and output to print with the colour cartridge. Hopefully somebody might find a solution to this. The question is how long will it take for the driver developers to fix it? -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2tfmi$or...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:45:58 +, Harishankar wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:53:59 +, Camaleón wrote: Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Actually hpcups has generated a PPD file on its own called HP_PSC_1315.ppd in /etc/cups/ppd Just ensure you have the lastest PPD version. No, don't unistall HPLIP. Just check the PPD file is up-to-date. I am not sure whether the PPD is supplied by the hpcups driver. Is it recommended that I switch back to the old hpijs driver (it seems to make no difference to this issue anyway. No, I am not suggesting you to switch back to any driver, only that you can try with the latest PPD revision available for your printer, taking that you are experiencing some problems with the current one. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.28.06.09...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:29:45 +, Harishankar wrote: I'm using HPLIP /CUPS with the hpcups driver to print using my hp psc 1315 printer. Has anybody had the issue that during a print job it is impossible to ask the printer to use both the BW and colour cartridge at the same time? I mean, if you select Normal Color it prints even black text using the colour cartridge (giving a non-sharp brownish grey effect) and when I select Normal Greyscale it is impossible to print in colour? (...) I have that options for my HP colour laserjet printer (using a PPD file, CUPS PS driver, not HPLIP): *** Text Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Graphics Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Photographs Neutral Grays: [x] 4 colour / black only *** Those options are pretty close to its counterpart windows driver and can be changed at real time for each print. I had the same problem using HPIJS drivers as well but the HPCUPS haven't solved the problem either? Has anybody ever successfully printed a multi-coloured document with both the BW and colour cartridge used where black is printed using the BW cartridge and other colours printed using the colour cartridge like in Windows? This seems closely related to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+sour ... bug/235399 Seems nobody at HP have resolved the issue related to Linux printing or am I doing something wrong? Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.27.08.16...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:34 +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:29:45 +, Harishankar wrote: I'm using HPLIP /CUPS with the hpcups driver to print using my hp psc 1315 printer. Has anybody had the issue that during a print job it is impossible to ask the printer to use both the BW and colour cartridge at the same time? I mean, if you select Normal Color it prints even black text using the colour cartridge (giving a non-sharp brownish grey effect) and when I select Normal Greyscale it is impossible to print in colour? (...) I have that options for my HP colour laserjet printer (using a PPD file, CUPS PS driver, not HPLIP): *** Text Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Graphics Neutral Grays: 4 colour / [x] black only Photographs Neutral Grays: [x] 4 colour / black only *** Those options are pretty close to its counterpart windows driver and can be changed at real time for each print. I had the same problem using HPIJS drivers as well but the HPCUPS haven't solved the problem either? Has anybody ever successfully printed a multi-coloured document with both the BW and colour cartridge used where black is printed using the BW cartridge and other colours printed using the colour cartridge like in Windows? This seems closely related to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+sour ... bug/235399 Seems nobody at HP have resolved the issue related to Linux printing or am I doing something wrong? Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón Thanks for the response. Actually I have chosen the default driver provided by the hpcups package in Debian. Should I download a separate PPD from another website and try using that instead? I configured the printer using the CUPS interface only. Should I uninstall HPLIP? -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://literaryforums.org) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2mr0v$pg...@dough.gmane.org
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:38:23 +, Harishankar wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:34 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Thanks for the response. Actually I have chosen the default driver provided by the hpcups package in Debian. Should I download a separate PPD from another website and try using that instead? Latest available PPD file descriptor for you printer is (or seems to be) 3.10.6.15. What version do you have installed (PPD files are stored under /etc/cups/ppd)? I configured the printer using the CUPS interface only. Should I uninstall HPLIP? No, don't unistall HPLIP. Just check the PPD file is up-to-date. If not, you can download the tar.gz¹ and extract *only* the PPD file you need (/hplip-3.10.6/ppd/hpcups/...) so you can add a new printer in CUPS using that file (_do not delete_ the current printer, just _add_ another one. If neither works, you can easily delete the new printer and wait until HP corrects the bug). ¹ http://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/files/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.27.14.53...@gmail.com
Re: HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:53:59 +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:38:23 +, Harishankar wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:34 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) Have you tried by downloading the latest PPD file for your printer (hpcups 3.10.6.15 or hpijs 3.10.6.15) and adding a new printer instance with CUPS in the old fashioned way (I mean, without using HPLIP, just the provided PPD file)? :-? Actually hpcups has generated a PPD file on its own called HP_PSC_1315.ppd in /etc/cups/ppd Thanks for the response. Actually I have chosen the default driver provided by the hpcups package in Debian. Should I download a separate PPD from another website and try using that instead? Latest available PPD file descriptor for you printer is (or seems to be) 3.10.6.15. What version do you have installed (PPD files are stored under /etc/cups/ppd)? I configured the printer using the CUPS interface only. Should I uninstall HPLIP? No, don't unistall HPLIP. Just check the PPD file is up-to-date. I am not sure whether the PPD is supplied by the hpcups driver. Is it recommended that I switch back to the old hpijs driver (it seems to make no difference to this issue anyway. If not, you can download the tar.gz¹ and extract *only* the PPD file you need (/hplip-3.10.6/ppd/hpcups/...) so you can add a new printer in CUPS using that file (_do not delete_ the current printer, just _add_ another one. If neither works, you can easily delete the new printer and wait until HP corrects the bug). ¹ http://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/files/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org http://lawstudentscommunity.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2ocm5$i7...@dough.gmane.org
HP PSC 1315 printer and hplip/hpcups printer cartridge mode issue
I'm using HPLIP /CUPS with the hpcups driver to print using my hp psc 1315 printer. Has anybody had the issue that during a print job it is impossible to ask the printer to use both the BW and colour cartridge at the same time? I mean, if you select Normal Color it prints even black text using the colour cartridge (giving a non-sharp brownish grey effect) and when I select Normal Greyscale it is impossible to print in colour? I had the same problem using HPIJS drivers as well but the HPCUPS haven't solved the problem either? Has anybody ever successfully printed a multi-coloured document with both the BW and colour cartridge used where black is printed using the BW cartridge and other colours printed using the colour cartridge like in Windows? This seems closely related to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+sour ... bug/235399 Seems nobody at HP have resolved the issue related to Linux printing or am I doing something wrong? -- Harishankar (http://harishankar.org) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i2lqs8$ek...@dough.gmane.org
