Re: Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
will == will trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: will On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:11:26AM -0600, Kent West wrote: will so it's a good thing to try -- if you power down and/or will disconnect your zip drive, THEN try the eject button after will powering it back on. if it doesn't do its thing, you've got will a drive problem. if it does, then your system isn't will communicating the right signals. [good luck, there!] (Sorry about the delay. It's been a busy few days.) But let me say again: this is an _internal_ ide/atapi drive. It does not hook up to the parallel port or to the usb. So disconnecting would be, well, inconvenient, and I'm not sure what I would gain in terms of troubleshooting. Also, I can eject under Windoze. Wouldn't that indicate a software problem? dmg -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:11:26AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Dan Griswold wrote: One peculiar thing about all this is that, again, a HARDWARE eject command (pressing the button) won't work. Why would that be? This may be stating the obvious, but can you do a hardware eject if the zip drive is unconnected from the computer? If not, it's a problem in the zip drive itself. IIRC, there's a pinhole (similar to a Macintosh floppy drive) that you can stick an unfolded paper clip into to force eject the zippie. kent's message reminded me -- when a mac has a zip drive attached (it's gonna be ascsi device then, but it's probably otherwise similar) the software just takes over. the hardware button does nothing. (just as the floppy drive on any mac, you gotta use the software to 'put away' the item and the computer ejects it for you.) so it's a good thing to try -- if you power down and/or disconnect your zip drive, THEN try the eject button after powering it back on. if it doesn't do its thing, you've got a drive problem. if it does, then your system isn't communicating the right signals. [good luck, there!] i once had a similar problem with a jaz drive, but the 'door' mechanism there is quite different (the slider thing didn't catch on insert, but got jammed instead on extract). the zip is more like a floppy, the way the stainless steel cover slides over to protect the media. -- There are only two places in the world where time takes precedence over the job to be done. School and prison. --William Glasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]***http://www.dontUthink.com/ volunteer to document your experience for next week's newbies -- http://www.eGroups.com/messages/newbieDoc
Re: Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Dan Griswold wrote: Seeing as my thread has peetered out, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of where else I might ask the question. I have searched on Google and Northernlight, and none of the information retrieved there has gone beyond the good suggestions offered here. For those new to this thread, my question concerns an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive. I can mount/read/write/umount the drive, but I cannot eject it: either by the hardware eject button on the drive, or by software tools such as eject or jazip. All kernel configurations suggested thus far (such as SCSI emulation or IDE Floppy support) have not produced an eject. In other words, the kernel is configured so that the device works correctly in all respects, EXCEPT for an eject (by hardware or software). Eric Miller suggested looking for a tool that would send the right ioctl to the kernel. That might be a useful avenue of inquiry, but first I need one of you kind folks to explain to me what that means. ;-) He mentioned in that vein tools such as jazip, which fails. One peculiar thing about all this is that, again, a HARDWARE eject command (pressing the button) won't work. Why would that be? Thank you for your help, Dan This may be stating the obvious, but can you do a hardware eject if the zip drive is unconnected from the computer? If not, it's a problem in the zip drive itself. IIRC, there's a pinhole (similar to a Macintosh floppy drive) that you can stick an unfolded paper clip into to force eject the zippie.
Re: Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Kent West wrote: Dan Griswold wrote: Seeing as my thread has peetered out, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of where else I might ask the question. I have searched on Google and Northernlight, and none of the information retrieved there has gone beyond the good suggestions offered here. For those new to this thread, my question concerns an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive. I can mount/read/write/umount the drive, but I cannot eject it: either by the hardware eject button on the drive, or by software tools such as eject or jazip. All kernel configurations suggested thus far (such as SCSI emulation or IDE Floppy support) have not produced an eject. In other words, the kernel is configured so that the device works correctly in all respects, EXCEPT for an eject (by hardware or software). Eric Miller suggested looking for a tool that would send the right ioctl to the kernel. That might be a useful avenue of inquiry, but first I need one of you kind folks to explain to me what that means. ;-) He mentioned in that vein tools such as jazip, which fails. One peculiar thing about all this is that, again, a HARDWARE eject command (pressing the button) won't work. Why would that be? Thank you for your help, Dan This may be stating the obvious, but can you do a hardware eject if the zip drive is unconnected from the computer? If not, it's a problem in the zip drive itself. IIRC, there's a pinhole (similar to a Macintosh floppy drive) that you can stick an unfolded paper clip into to force eject the zippie. Oops, my bad; I didn't read closely to notice you said it was an internal drive, which makes my comment above irrelevant. So, can you simply go into the CMOS setup, thereby bypassing any OS interference, and then eject the zippie with the hardware button? If not, you've still got a hardware issue.
Re: Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Kent, Haven't tried this from BIOS, but I can easily eject the disk from Windows 98, using hardware or software controls. So if it's a hardware problem, it can't be entirely a hardware problem. That is, there must be something that will allow Debian to communicate with the drive in the desired manner. The larger problem this points to, IMO, is that the ZIP-Drive HOWTO is quite out of date. That why this renewed thread I've started is about locating information that can help me find a solution. Many thanks for your help! Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Where do I go from here? was: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Seeing as my thread has peetered out, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas of where else I might ask the question. I have searched on Google and Northernlight, and none of the information retrieved there has gone beyond the good suggestions offered here. For those new to this thread, my question concerns an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive. I can mount/read/write/umount the drive, but I cannot eject it: either by the hardware eject button on the drive, or by software tools such as eject or jazip. All kernel configurations suggested thus far (such as SCSI emulation or IDE Floppy support) have not produced an eject. In other words, the kernel is configured so that the device works correctly in all respects, EXCEPT for an eject (by hardware or software). Eric Miller suggested looking for a tool that would send the right ioctl to the kernel. That might be a useful avenue of inquiry, but first I need one of you kind folks to explain to me what that means. ;-) He mentioned in that vein tools such as jazip, which fails. One peculiar thing about all this is that, again, a HARDWARE eject command (pressing the button) won't work. Why would that be? Thank you for your help, Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Eric == Eric G Miller egm2@jps.net writes: Eric On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:42:20PM -0600, Dan Griswold Eric wrote: Eric Don't mean to ask a stupid question, but you *are* Eric unmounting the drive before you try to eject the media, no? Eric Otherwise, I can understand why both the hardware and Eric software methods would fail. Good question. Yes I have umounted before trying these the various methods. Just tried again. No go. Cheers, Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Quoth Dan Griswold, I can still mount and access the drive. But I cannot eject, either by software or hardware. I've also tried the eject command. No luck. Sorry, I only came into this thread half-way through, so forgive me if this is redundant. I assume that you are trying to eject an IDE zip drive. One thing I have found with my parallel zip dive is that I can only eject it (using eject /zip) as root. Have you tried that? No idea if it'll help. cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead pgpDOjgi0TQOB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Damon == Damon Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damon Sorry, I only came into this thread half-way through, so Damon forgive me if this is redundant. I assume that you are Damon trying to eject an IDE zip drive. That's right. It's an internal IDE/ATAPI drive. 100 mb. I can mount/read/write/umount it. No eject, either by hardware or software. Damon One thing I have found with my parallel zip dive is that I Damon can only eject it (using eject /zip) as root. Have you Damon tried that? In fact, all my attempts lately have been as root. Thanks for the suggestion anyway! Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Eric G . Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 10:28:08PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: Hi all, I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( Now, I know I've done it before. But that was under SuSE 6.1 (some time ago). And of course, I could boot into some unmentionable OS and eject the disk. Ugh. So, I figure that I need to configure something properly in the kernel. I've recompiled the kernel 3 times tonight, and modules too, and still no luck. Anybody know what I'm overlooking? I think you need a tool that can send the proper ioctl to the kernel. Think jazip or ziptool (seems not to be in woody) should work. Don't know if jaztool (which is present in woody) works with Zip drives. You need to compile scsi emulation into your kernel. So under Block Devices say yes to SCSI EMulation Support Pascal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
At 12:09 AM 12/13/00 -0600, you wrote: Eric G . Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 10:28:08PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: Hi all, I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( I think you need a tool that can send the proper ioctl to the kernel. Think jazip or ziptool (seems not to be in woody) should work. Don't know if jaztool (which is present in woody) works with Zip drives. You need to compile scsi emulation into your kernel. So under Block Devices say yes to SCSI EMulation Support Rubbish - all you need is IDE Removeable deviced or IDE Floppy support. Which the original poster must have because he says I can mount, read/write, and umount it I think all he wants is a way to press the eject button, and cdtool.deb contains cdeject, which should do it. cdeject -d /dev/hdc -- Criggie
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Criggie == C Falconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Criggie At 12:09 AM 12/13/00 -0600, you wrote: Eric G . Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 10:28:08PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: Hi all, I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( I think you need a tool that can send the proper ioctl to the kernel. Think jazip or ziptool (seems not to be in woody) should work. Don't know if jaztool (which is present in woody) works with Zip drives. You need to compile scsi emulation into your kernel. So under Block Devices say yes to SCSI EMulation Support Criggie Rubbish - all you need is IDE Removeable deviced or IDE Criggie Floppy support. Which the original poster must have Criggie because he says I can mount, read/write, and umount it Criggie I think all he wants is a way to press the eject button, Criggie and cdtool.deb contains cdeject, which should do it. Criggie cdeject -d /dev/hdc You're right. I want to eject the disk, whether that's by hardware button or software utility. Other features work fine. I've tried (in configuring the kernel) IDE floppy, but I can find no option for IDE Removable. Where is that located. I've also tried the SCSI Emulation Support suggested by Pascal, but that didn't solve the problem either. I've also tried (after enabling SCSI emulation) jazip suggested by Eric, to no avail. Both of these I tried before posting my question. But, I could be missing a particular parameter to get this to work. Perhaps there's one obvious switch to flip that was not so obvious to me, perhaps. And lastly, I did apt-get install cdtool, and cdeject -d /dev/hdc doesn't work, but rather yields this message: cdeject: ioctl cdromeject So no luck there either. The odd thing, as I said, is that I had this working under another distribution. And I'm quite sure that I didn't touch SCSI support. But, anything's possible, and I'm open to suggestions. Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
At 06:26 PM 12/13/00 -0600, you wrote: You're right. I want to eject the disk, whether that's by hardware button or software utility. Other features work fine. I've tried (in configuring the kernel) IDE floppy, but I can find no option for IDE Removable. Where is that located. Under Block Devices Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support (I called it by the wrong name sorry) Heres the help for it: x CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY: x x x x If you have an IDE floppy drive which uses the ATAPI protocol, x x answer Y. ATAPI is a newer protocol used by IDE CDROM/tape/floppy x x drives, similar to the SCSI protocol. x x x x The LS-120 and the IDE/ATAPI Iomega ZIP drive are also supported by x x this driver. (ATAPI PD-CD/CDR drives are not supported by this x x driver; support for PD-CD/CDR drives is available if you answer Y tox x SCSI emulation support, below). x x x x If you say Y here, the FLOPPY drive will be identified along with x x other IDE devices, as hdb or hdc, or something similar (check x x the boot messages with dmesg). Then reboot, and your ZIP drive should be identified as /dev/hdc or hdd or similar. I've also tried the SCSI Emulation Support suggested by Pascal, but that didn't solve the problem either. I've also tried (after enabling SCSI emulation) jazip suggested by Eric, to no avail. The only time SCSI emulation is required when it comes to IDE is CD Writers, and I don't know why. And lastly, I did apt-get install cdtool, and cdeject -d /dev/hdc doesn't work, but rather yields this message: cdeject: ioctl cdromeject Try the above and it should work. -- Criggie
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Criggie == C Falconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Criggie Under Block Devices Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support Criggie (I called it by the wrong name sorry) Heres the help for Criggie it: Criggiex CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY: snip Criggie Then reboot, and your ZIP drive should be identified as Criggie /dev/hdc or hdd or similar. snip Criggie Try the above and it should work. Alas, it did not. I can still mount and access the drive. But I cannot eject, either by software or hardware. I've also tried the eject command. No luck. Thanks, Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:42:20PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: Alas, it did not. I can still mount and access the drive. But I cannot eject, either by software or hardware. I've also tried the eject command. No luck. Don't mean to ask a stupid question, but you *are* unmounting the drive before you try to eject the media, no? Otherwise, I can understand why both the hardware and software methods would fail. -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net
HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
Hi all, I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( Now, I know I've done it before. But that was under SuSE 6.1 (some time ago). And of course, I could boot into some unmentionable OS and eject the disk. Ugh. So, I figure that I need to configure something properly in the kernel. I've recompiled the kernel 3 times tonight, and modules too, and still no luck. Anybody know what I'm overlooking? Thanks in advance, Dan -- -- Dan Griswold [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
I had this problem too. Not sure what changed on my system to correct it. Actually, since I rarely use it I'm not even sure if it still works. Zip drives are kind of buggy with respect to ejecting. Sorry I can't be of help. -D On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:28:08 Dan Griswold wrote: | Hi all, | | I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, | read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( | | Now, I know I've done it before. But that was under SuSE 6.1 (some | time ago). And of course, I could boot into some unmentionable OS and | eject the disk. Ugh. | | So, I figure that I need to configure something properly in the | kernel. I've recompiled the kernel 3 times tonight, and modules too, | and still no luck. | | Anybody know what I'm overlooking? | | Thanks in advance, | | Dan | | -- | -- | Dan Griswold | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- |
Re: HT configure an IDE/ATAPI ZIP drive?
On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 10:28:08PM -0600, Dan Griswold wrote: Hi all, I have an internal IDE/ATAPI ZIP 100 in my box. I can mount, read/write, and umount it. But I cannot eject it. :-( Now, I know I've done it before. But that was under SuSE 6.1 (some time ago). And of course, I could boot into some unmentionable OS and eject the disk. Ugh. So, I figure that I need to configure something properly in the kernel. I've recompiled the kernel 3 times tonight, and modules too, and still no luck. Anybody know what I'm overlooking? I think you need a tool that can send the proper ioctl to the kernel. Think jazip or ziptool (seems not to be in woody) should work. Don't know if jaztool (which is present in woody) works with Zip drives. -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net
