Re: Hard Install
George R wrote: Has anyone had Win95 change your CMOS settings? George, I don't know: how could I tell, unless it's evidence would be a mess up of something obvious like my clock? Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On 02/09/98 at 07:41 PM, David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: George R wrote: Has anyone had Win95 change your CMOS settings? George, I don't know: how could I tell, unless it's evidence would be a mess up of something obvious like my clock? Weird things, like the drive you have on your secondary ide disappears. After checking the CMOS you find the secondary controller disabled. If you have a CMOS controlled CPU speed, the speed changes after a lockup and restart in safe mode. Having the defaults loaded, even though you know some settings weren't default. George reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On 02/09/98 at 07:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald V. Livingston lI) said: Try replacing the CMOS battery. I had one that would do strange things when I shut it off - I figured if the battery got low enough it would start going wierd on resets too. Not the problem, unless of course 3 differant boxes all have bad batteries, and it occurs mostly when Win95 freaks out, usually when rebooting in safe mode due to improper shutdown. Just one of many unexplained events MS certified techs tell me can't happen, even if I reproduce the event before their eyes. Blows my mind when they watch me crash 95 and say that can't happen, it must be hardware. Then reproduce the crash on another box and hear that can't happen, it must be some software. Oh, well that's why I use other stuff at home. George a wise man learns from his mistakes; a genius learns from the mistakes of others reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 07:52:19PM +, George R wrote: Weird things, like the drive you have on your secondary ide disappears. After checking the CMOS you find the secondary controller disabled. If you have a CMOS controlled CPU speed, the speed changes after a lockup and restart in safe mode. Having the defaults loaded, even though you know some settings weren't default. Well, anything can happen in a good-sized crash. Windows 95 can't change individual settings because their locations aren't standardized between BIOS manufacturers (AMI, Phoenix, Award, MR BIOS etc). Some of the basic settings are (like hard drive types) but none of the settings you spoke of are. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On 02/10/98 at 01:47 PM, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, anything can happen in a good-sized crash. Windows 95 can't change individual settings because their locations aren't standardized between BIOS manufacturers (AMI, Phoenix, Award, MR BIOS etc). Some of the basic settings are (like hard drive types) but none of the settings you spoke of are. Is this just Win95 or do other OS's mess with the CMOS? In 10+ years I've only experianced this with Win95. Once again the answer to a weird Win95 question comes from a Linux user. Am I seeing a trend? George reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:56:49PM +, George R wrote: On 02/10/98 at 01:47 PM, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, anything can happen in a good-sized crash. Windows 95 can't change individual settings because their locations aren't standardized between BIOS manufacturers (AMI, Phoenix, Award, MR BIOS etc). Some of the basic settings are (like hard drive types) but none of the settings you spoke of are. Is this just Win95 or do other OS's mess with the CMOS? In 10+ years I've only experianced this with Win95. Well, Windows 95 has only been out for two and a half so that could be difficult! :-) But in nearly 10 years I've never seen anything do it at all. If certain junk gets written to the appropriate IO ports the CMOS will get trashed. I can't think of a reason why Windows 95 in particular would cause this more than other systems, but there might be a reason and it's not necessarily a Microsoft plot either. Once again the answer to a weird Win95 question comes from a Linux user. Am I seeing a trend? I don't understand what you mean. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On 02/10/98 at 06:33 PM, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:56:49PM +, George R wrote: Is this just Win95 or do other OS's mess with the CMOS? In 10+ years I've only experianced this with Win95. Well, Windows 95 has only been out for two and a half so that could be difficult! :-) But in nearly 10 years I've never seen anything do it at all. Well, I've only messed with 95 for a few months. DOS, OS/2, Win3.x didn't ever do that and Win3.x seemed to major in unstable. If certain junk gets written to the appropriate IO ports the CMOS will get trashed. I can't think of a reason why Windows 95 in particular would cause this more than other systems, but there might be a reason and it's not necessarily a Microsoft plot either. Hadn't considered a MS plot. Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Once again the answer to a weird Win95 question comes from a Linux user. Am I seeing a trend? I don't understand what you mean. Well, in various Linux newsgroups, MS supporters troll/advocate WinXX as being stable/wonderful. Some non-windows user brings up problem xyz that caused their exodus from MS. The MS drone claims it can't happen, the complainer is an idiot. Some Linux user(fairly new convert) then give the why it happened and how(if possible) to minimize/prevent it from happening again. So, the trend seems to be: bang your head against MS until you have the answers to the problems that can be fixed and the thing still crashes. Then go find something else(Linux being a popular choice). George reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
Well, I must confirm. Every time I reinstall win95, it reenables the default APM configuration in my BIOS, and I don't even have a standard one, but rather the obscure Acer BIOS. This behaviour has been very consistent, and I can easily reproduce it. -- Proudly running Debian Linux! Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On Wed, Feb 04, 1998 at 09:36:06PM +, George R wrote: Total time(ftp, making disks from images, formating hard disk, scaning disk, and install) under 1.5 hrs. One problem, I set up myself with the wrong user id. Now I have 2 users. How do I kill one user? Yes, I know RTM and the HOWTO's. That was easier than OS/2; about the same as DOS; tons easier than Win95. What is the fuss about? I agree with your sentiments but I don't think this is really true. When reinstalling my Microsoft OSs (all 3 -- DOS, 95 and NT) on Saturday (because I bought a new disk and couldn't find any way to move NT), it only took about 5 minutes to install 95, and there aren't any hard questions involved, even with a custom install. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On 02/09/98 at 03:20 PM, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Feb 04, 1998 at 09:36:06PM +, George R wrote: That was easier than OS/2; about the same as DOS; tons easier than Win95. What is the fuss about? I agree with your sentiments but I don't think this is really true. When reinstalling my Microsoft OSs (all 3 -- DOS, 95 and NT) on Saturday (because I bought a new disk and couldn't find any way to move NT), it only took about 5 minutes to install 95, and there aren't any hard questions involved, even with a custom install. Sorry you don't think it is true. I don't have Win95 at home, but the last few times I've installed/re-installed Win95, there has been at least one PNP or Win-something-or-other that didn't work just right. Had to go find this that or the other driver. You are probably using better hardware than I have at work and my friends have. I don't have any of the Win-whatevers or PNP anything. Win95 may be a 5 min install; just not on anything I've dealt with lately. Has anyone had Win95 change your CMOS settings? George Eschew obfuscation reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Hard Install
Man, after hearing all the horror stories of Linux installs I had to try ;) Well, not being a patient one I ftp'd the disk images for Debian. Blew off the HOWTO's Total time(ftp, making disks from images, formating hard disk, scaning disk, and install) under 1.5 hrs. One problem, I set up myself with the wrong user id. Now I have 2 users. How do I kill one user? Yes, I know RTM and the HOWTO's. That was easier than OS/2; about the same as DOS; tons easier than Win95. What is the fuss about? George Eschew obfuscation reply to: grimel @icx Sorry for the trouble, I'm just getting to much spam. .net --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, George R wrote: Man, after hearing all the horror stories of Linux installs I had to try ;) Well, not being a patient one I ftp'd the disk images for Debian. Blew off the HOWTO's Total time(ftp, making disks from images, formating hard disk, scaning disk, and install) under 1.5 hrs. One problem, I set up myself with the wrong user id. Now I have 2 users. How do I kill one user? Yes, I know RTM and the HOWTO's. Look at the documentation for 'userdel'. That was easier than OS/2; about the same as DOS; tons easier than Win95. What is the fuss about? You now have to maintain a system. I know it's unheard of in Windows, but that is who the fuss is from... I have no complaints here. Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Network Administrator | work: 353.4844 Division of Engineering Computing Services | page: 222.5875 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard Install
George == George R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Now I have 2 users. How do I kill one user? Yes, I know George RTM and the HOWTO's. 'apropos user' or 'man -k user' | grep -i delete shows me the 'userdel' program. :) George That was easier than OS/2; about the same as DOS; tons George easier than Win95. What is the fuss about? Dunno, but you've found the joy of Linux for sure! :) -- Brought to you by the letters U and N and the number 2. O, Mentos Boy! -- Guppy Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
