Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
Hello Andrei, On 2008-10-04, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,03.Oct.08, 01:46:48, Chris Metzler wrote: [...] One detail not mentioned here was that you should use WPA2 encryption to protect your wireless network. WEP is easy to crack with standard Linux tools. As far as I recall the XP version of the other OS needs at least SP2 (or was that SP3?) to use WPA2. [...] Since You brought it up: To use WPA (which is good) on an XP computer, one needs at least SP2. For WPA2 (which is better), one needs a patch from the manufacturer of the other OS in addition to SP2. Regards, -- Christer Oldhoff Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 10:10 -0400, Celejar wrote: They always (AFAIK) offer DHCP, but you don't have to use it. There are advantages to setting static IPs - you can set up host files and refer to the hosts by name, and I think that bringing up interfaces is a good few seconds quicker with static IPs than with DHCP. Any quality firmware (dd-wrt, tomato) will set up hostnames for you anyway, based on the hostname the DHCP client gives it. 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? AFAIK, SOHO routers / APs / switches are generally configurable via a web interface, which will work with any platform. Note, though, that they often recommend, or even require, Javascript, which can make using a TUI browser such as links difficult or impossible. Another reason to use a firmware other than the default that the SOHO router ships with. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:17:44 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 10:10 -0400, Celejar wrote: They always (AFAIK) offer DHCP, but you don't have to use it. There are advantages to setting static IPs - you can set up host files and refer to the hosts by name, and I think that bringing up interfaces is a good few seconds quicker with static IPs than with DHCP. Any quality firmware (dd-wrt, tomato) will set up hostnames for you anyway, based on the hostname the DHCP client gives it. Of course, but I was using cheap models that didn't support alternate firmwares. 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? AFAIK, SOHO routers / APs / switches are generally configurable via a web interface, which will work with any platform. Note, though, that they often recommend, or even require, Javascript, which can make using a TUI browser such as links difficult or impossible. Another reason to use a firmware other than the default that the SOHO router ships with. Agreed, but see above. Paul Johnson Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
snip Ron Johnson wrote: Yes. My router gets a routable external IP address from the ISP, but I had to *also* give it an internal, non-routable IP address (which I chose to be 192.168.1.251). snip Hi Ron, I have a question on this very topic. I'll start a new thread to ask it. My setup and experience are very similar to that of the OP. Cheers, Jonathan -- Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On 10/04/08 00:58, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] which has a lot of nice features, but is more expensive. Maybe it would be interesting for you to look for a model with integrated DSL modem? That would certainly save space, wires and wall-warts. But it would limit flexibility, requiring you to upgrade perfectly functional h/w if you wanted/needed to step up to ADSL2 or next-gen 802.11. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/03/08 11:49, Bob McGowan wrote: [snip] --deleted discussion on setup questions-- I had some trouble finding the above referenced router at a local retailer (I needed the HW ASAP, couldn't wait for freight delivery). I've found that if you order from NewEgg in the morning, I usually get small kit the next day even with UPS 3 Day shipping. It depends on where you live. I always order from Montana and 3 days is always 3 business days. Not more, but not less and with that UPS tracking number you can see exactly where the package is. NewEgg is finicky with the credit card: the billing address has to match. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:58:41 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri,03.Oct.08, 01:46:48, Chris Metzler wrote: [...] One detail not mentioned here was that you should use WPA2 encryption to protect your wireless network. WEP is easy to crack with standard Linux tools. As far as I recall the XP version of the other OS needs at least SP2 (or was that SP3?) to use WPA2. As for choice of wireless routers, I have used a D-Link DI-524 for a while with no problems (using the standard firmware). That box is now at my mom's house and I'm planning on getting the Asus WL-500g Premium, which has a lot of nice features, but is more expensive. Maybe it would be interesting for you to look for a model with integrated DSL modem? Regards, Andrei -- Andrei, Doesn't WPA2 require access to a Radius server..? My Cisco seems to... Jack -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On 10/04/08 10:03, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/03/08 11:49, Bob McGowan wrote: [snip] --deleted discussion on setup questions-- I had some trouble finding the above referenced router at a local retailer (I needed the HW ASAP, couldn't wait for freight delivery). I've found that if you order from NewEgg in the morning, I usually get small kit the next day even with UPS 3 Day shipping. It depends on where you live. I always order from Montana and 3 days is always 3 business days. Not more, but not less and with that UPS tracking number you can see exactly where the package is. Hmmm. Montana *is* rather large and remote. NewEgg is finicky with the credit card: the billing address has to match. Good for them... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Sat,04.Oct.08, 10:26:56, Jack Schneider wrote: Doesn't WPA2 require access to a Radius server..? My Cisco seems to... My previous router could do WPA2-PSK (pre-shared key). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
Hello Jack, On 2008-10-04, Jack Schneider wrote: [...] Andrei, Doesn't WPA2 require access to a Radius server..? My Cisco seems to... Jack Not generally. WPA2 is an encryption standard. Using a Radius server adds an optional security feature: an authentification server, but is usually not needed for home users. The most common way of using WPA2 in small private networks probably is WPA2-PSK. My Netgear WPN802 and the WPN824 offer WPA2-PSK (and other modes backwards-compatible with WPA), and I suppose most modern wireless routers/access points do. Regards, -- Christer Oldhoff Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:46:48 -0400 Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have exactly zero experience with wireless -- I've never owned a laptop, and have just never needed it. My gf, as part of her job, needs to bring home a laptop with that other OS on it, and wants wireless access to our broadband. We currently have a DSL connection: phone to DSL modem, ethernet out the back of the DSL modem to our one desktop machine. I'm assuming that what I want is a wireless router with LAN ports: ethernet cable from the DSL modem to the wireless router, and ethernet cable from the wireless router to the desktop machine while her laptop talks to the router by wireless. We have a static IP address; I'm presuming that this wired/wireless router will need to be configured with that address, and then will do NAT with the desktop and the laptop. 1. Does what I just wrote make sense? Am I getting this correctly? Yes, that's the bog standard way of doing this, although there are OWTDI, as Alex has begun to suggest. 2. If I'm on the right track, what about IP addresses for the desktop and the laptop? Do I have to set them manually to addresses within a non-routeable block? Or do such routers typically do DHCP or something like that? They always (AFAIK) offer DHCP, but you don't have to use it. There are advantages to setting static IPs - you can set up host files and refer to the hosts by name, and I think that bringing up interfaces is a good few seconds quicker with static IPs than with DHCP. 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? AFAIK, SOHO routers / APs / switches are generally configurable via a web interface, which will work with any platform. Note, though, that they often recommend, or even require, Javascript, which can make using a TUI browser such as links difficult or impossible. Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On 10/03/08 00:46, Chris Metzler wrote: Hi folks. Been a long time since I've posted to this list. I have exactly zero experience with wireless -- I've never owned a laptop, and have just never needed it. My gf, as part of her job, needs to bring home a laptop with that other OS on it, and wants wireless access to our broadband. We currently have a DSL connection: phone to DSL modem, ethernet out the back of the DSL modem to our one desktop machine. I'm assuming that what I want is a wireless router with LAN ports: ethernet cable from the DSL modem to the wireless router, and ethernet cable from the wireless router to the desktop machine while her laptop talks to the router by wireless. We have a static IP address; I'm presuming that this wired/wireless router will need to be configured with that address, and then will do NAT with the desktop and the laptop. Yes. My router gets a routable external IP address from the ISP, but I had to *also* give it an internal, non-routable IP address (which I chose to be 192.168.1.251). Look for the Linksys WRT54GL. Natively runs Linux, and replacement OSs (like OpenWRT or Tomato) can easily be installed. 1. Does what I just wrote make sense? Am I getting this correctly? Yes. 2. If I'm on the right track, what about IP addresses for the desktop and the laptop? Do I have to set them manually to addresses within a non-routeable block? Or do such routers typically do DHCP or something like that? You can do both, at the same time, since routers all do DHCP, but also let you specify a certain number of static IP addresses. For example, I specified two static addresses: 192.168.1.10 (which is my computer's address), and 192.168.1.11 (which is our printer's address). Any other device on the network gets a dynamic address from the router's DHCP server. 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? Sure. I had a P.O.S. Netgear RP614v2 wired router, and now have a wired/wireless Linksys WRT54GL. Although both come with a CD, they aren't needed (as long as you have a wired component of your network). 4. (most important) For someone moderately competent who somehow has made it this far without learning much about wireless, what would you suggest I read? Googling turns up thousands of pages of FAQs and HOWTOs and so on (some of which are ancient -- but that doesn't mean they're not useful, of course). There's lots of stuff out there; but being ignorant, I don't know enough to know what's relevant and what's out of date. What would *you* suggest I read? Maybe I've been doing this too long, but if you're competent at managing your own computer, then modern menu-driven routers should be easy enough to figure out without much documentation. Thanks much for any info, -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On 2008-Oct-3, at 10:10 AM, Celejar wrote: There are advantages to setting static IPs - you can set up host files and refer to the hosts by name, and I think that bringing up interfaces is a good few seconds quicker with static IPs than with DHCP. True, but the OP will have a laptop that probably needs to use many different networks. Manually switching the laptop back to a static config every time you come home will probably take longer than waiting on DHCP (and is a pain in the ass). ;) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:25:04 -0400 Rob McBroom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-Oct-3, at 10:10 AM, Celejar wrote: There are advantages to setting static IPs - you can set up host files and refer to the hosts by name, and I think that bringing up interfaces is a good few seconds quicker with static IPs than with DHCP. True, but the OP will have a laptop that probably needs to use many different networks. Manually switching the laptop back to a static config every time you come home will probably take longer than waiting on DHCP (and is a pain in the ass). ;) Well, I think the OP said that the laptop will run 'the other OS', and I've always found that configuring wireless under windows is a royal pain, but perhaps that's just because I'm not that experienced with it. Anyway, I assume that the OP will be using WPA, in which case he'll anyway need to set up a specific profile for use on his home network, so he can just include the IP information in the appropriate configuration area. E.g., if he uses /etc/network/interfaces and ifscheme (under Debian), then he'd include a stanza like this: iface eth0-homenet inet static address 192.168.1.9 netmask 255.255.255.0 hostname name wireless_mode managed wireless_essid abcdefgh wpa-ssid abcdefgh wpa-psk x*64 [The wpa psk should probably really go into a separate 'wpa_supplicant.conf' file, since 'interfaces' is world readable.] Switching networks is then simply a matter of 'ifscheme homenet'. I understand that there are other ways to do this, such as NetworkManager and wifi-radar, but this is what I use, and it works quite well. Rob McBroom Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 09:15 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/03/08 00:46, Chris Metzler wrote: Hi folks. Been a long time since I've posted to this list. I have exactly zero experience with wireless -- I've never owned a laptop, and have just never needed it. My gf, as part of her job, needs to bring home a laptop with that other OS on it, and wants wireless access to our broadband. We currently have a DSL connection: phone to DSL modem, ethernet out the back of the DSL modem to our one desktop machine. I'm assuming that what I want is a wireless router with LAN ports: ethernet cable from the DSL modem to the wireless router, and ethernet cable from the wireless router to the desktop machine while her laptop talks to the router by wireless. We have a static IP address; I'm presuming that this wired/wireless router will need to be configured with that address, and then will do NAT with the desktop and the laptop. Yes. My router gets a routable external IP address from the ISP, but I had to *also* give it an internal, non-routable IP address (which I chose to be 192.168.1.251). Look for the Linksys WRT54GL. Natively runs Linux, and replacement OSs (like OpenWRT or Tomato) can easily be installed. --deleted discussion on setup questions-- I had some trouble finding the above referenced router at a local retailer (I needed the HW ASAP, couldn't wait for freight delivery). I found that Netgear also makes a Linux kernel based router, the WGR614L. It is listed at about $80 US, and can use the DD-WRT Open Source firmware, probably others. Though I've not yet tried to do anything with the alternate drivers yet, I expect to do so soon. But even the basic Netgear fw and function are good. The main drawback is there's no 802.11n support. For me, not an issue, all my equipment was G anyway. This unit (and others) allows you to associate a particular IP address with a MAC address, so the same IP is always given to the device. This allows you to have your hosts file setup for names and still use the laptop in any DHCP environment with changes. Bob McGowan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On 10/03/08 11:49, Bob McGowan wrote: [snip] --deleted discussion on setup questions-- I had some trouble finding the above referenced router at a local retailer (I needed the HW ASAP, couldn't wait for freight delivery). I've found that if you order from NewEgg in the morning, I usually get small kit the next day even with UPS 3 Day shipping. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:49:35 -0700 Bob McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I found that Netgear also makes a Linux kernel based router, the WGR614L. It is listed at about $80 US, and can use the DD-WRT Open Source firmware, probably others. No longer relevant for you, but right now there's an excellent deal on the Asus 520gu available at various online merchants; it can be had for as little as $30 shipped after a $20 rebate. It can apparently run OpenWrt, and it has a USB port, quite a rare feature at this price point. [Hint: think of it as a cheaper, lower powered version of the ever popular Slug, but with integrated wireless.] ... This unit (and others) allows you to associate a particular IP address with a MAC address, so the same IP is always given to the device. This allows you to have your hosts file setup for names and still use the laptop in any DHCP environment with changes. Most do, but I was disappointed that my Trendware models (452brp and 432brp) don't seem to have that capability, so I switched to static addresses. Bob McGowan Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri,03.Oct.08, 01:46:48, Chris Metzler wrote: [...] One detail not mentioned here was that you should use WPA2 encryption to protect your wireless network. WEP is easy to crack with standard Linux tools. As far as I recall the XP version of the other OS needs at least SP2 (or was that SP3?) to use WPA2. As for choice of wireless routers, I have used a D-Link DI-524 for a while with no problems (using the standard firmware). That box is now at my mom's house and I'm planning on getting the Asus WL-500g Premium, which has a lot of nice features, but is more expensive. Maybe it would be interesting for you to look for a model with integrated DSL modem? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
Hi folks. Been a long time since I've posted to this list. I have exactly zero experience with wireless -- I've never owned a laptop, and have just never needed it. My gf, as part of her job, needs to bring home a laptop with that other OS on it, and wants wireless access to our broadband. We currently have a DSL connection: phone to DSL modem, ethernet out the back of the DSL modem to our one desktop machine. I'm assuming that what I want is a wireless router with LAN ports: ethernet cable from the DSL modem to the wireless router, and ethernet cable from the wireless router to the desktop machine while her laptop talks to the router by wireless. We have a static IP address; I'm presuming that this wired/wireless router will need to be configured with that address, and then will do NAT with the desktop and the laptop. 1. Does what I just wrote make sense? Am I getting this correctly? 2. If I'm on the right track, what about IP addresses for the desktop and the laptop? Do I have to set them manually to addresses within a non-routeable block? Or do such routers typically do DHCP or something like that? 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? 4. (most important) For someone moderately competent who somehow has made it this far without learning much about wireless, what would you suggest I read? Googling turns up thousands of pages of FAQs and HOWTOs and so on (some of which are ancient -- but that doesn't mean they're not useful, of course). There's lots of stuff out there; but being ignorant, I don't know enough to know what's relevant and what's out of date. What would *you* suggest I read? Thanks much for any info, -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: House wireless/wired router: choices? Plus wireless neophyte questions.
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 01:46:48AM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: Hi folks. Been a long time since I've posted to this list. I have exactly zero experience with wireless -- I've never owned a laptop, and have just never needed it. My gf, as part of her job, needs to bring home a laptop with that other OS on it, and wants wireless access to our broadband. We currently have a DSL connection: phone to DSL modem, ethernet out the back of the DSL modem to our one desktop machine. I'm assuming that what I want is a wireless router with LAN ports: ethernet cable from the DSL modem to the wireless router, and ethernet cable from the wireless router to the desktop machine while her laptop talks to the router by wireless. We have a static IP address; I'm presuming that this wired/wireless router will need to be configured with that address, and then will do NAT with the desktop and the laptop. 1. Does what I just wrote make sense? Am I getting this correctly? yep two paths 1 buy the wireless router (and maybe put openwrt on it www.openwrt.org) 2 but a wireless card for your linux box and setup routing and do the nat on your box 2. If I'm on the right track, what about IP addresses for the desktop and the laptop? Do I have to set them manually to addresses within a non-routeable block? Or do such routers typically do DHCP or something like that? most home wireless routers will have the dhcp range already setup 3. What about configuring the router (with the static IP address, any DHCP operating parameters, etc.)? Since my desktop will be wired, I'd like to be able to configure the router using my desktop -- which means using Linux. If an application on an accompanying DVD is needed to configure the router, I'm guessing that app is only going to work on that other operating system. Or are there routers out there that are configurable from a Linux machine in a straightforward manner? most are web based, the windows setup apps help to locate not actually needed to configure (from my exposure) 4. (most important) For someone moderately competent who somehow has made it this far without learning much about wireless, what would you suggest I read? Googling turns up thousands of pages of FAQs and HOWTOs and so on (some of which are ancient -- but that doesn't mean they're not useful, of course). There's lots of stuff out there; but being ignorant, I don't know enough to know what's relevant and what's out of date. What would *you* suggest I read? have a look at openwrt.org lots of people doing what you are trying to do Thanks much for any info, -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear -- I think --tide turning --see, as I remember --I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of --it's easy to see a tide turn --did I say those words? - George W. Bush 06/14/2006 Washington, DC in response to the question Is the tide turning in Iraq? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
