Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 04:24:17PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:33:08 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Well until then maybe GNOME 3 has evolved into a more usable state. (...) It is usable right now. Current version 3.0 (the one available in testing) is not as easy to configure as it was GNOME 2.32 but when wheezy comes out (as the new stable) it will include GNOME 3.2 or even 3.4 so things will have improved a lot in comparison to the current state. Greetings, ---end quoted text--- The only thing I dislike about Gnome3 is the Launcher. Other than that it's not too bad. One can see it's going to be good for touch screens and perhaps portable devices. It would be nice though if we could have a configuration option to use Gnome3 in the classic sense for those of us using desktops/laptops without touchscreens going forward. That just makes sense IMO. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2030144632.GA10714@sda-ThinkPad-X41
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:46:32 -0500, Stephen Allen wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 04:24:17PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:33:08 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Well until then maybe GNOME 3 has evolved into a more usable state. (...) It is usable right now. Current version 3.0 (the one available in testing) is not as easy to configure as it was GNOME 2.32 but when wheezy comes out (as the new stable) it will include GNOME 3.2 or even 3.4 so things will have improved a lot in comparison to the current state. The only thing I dislike about Gnome3 is the Launcher. Other than that it's not too bad. One can see it's going to be good for touch screens and perhaps portable devices. Yeah... There are many things I neither like of GNOME3+gnome-shell (and this remains true for other aspects of GNOME2) but the fact we don't like it does not reflect its usability, is just our personal taste :-) It would be nice though if we could have a configuration option to use Gnome3 in the classic sense for those of us using desktops/laptops without touchscreens going forward. That just makes sense IMO. I bet you can use a different menu launcher other than what gnome-shell provides by means of additional addons or extensions. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.30.15.48...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
Am Montag, 28. November 2011 schrieb Camaleón: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:29:10 -0900, Greg Madden wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2011 8:29:19 am Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:04:24 +, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? Nowadays, there is no way to get GNOME2 back as it was. No way, but not just for Debian but any other linux distributions (the last release of OpenBSD featured GNOME 2.32.2, though). Anyway, more sooner than later GNOME2 will be completely dropped from upstream. There is always Squeeze, aka Debian stable. Yes, which will last... ¿a year and a half? Sure, it will cure your current pains and pitfalls but I don't think that's a long-term solution. Well until then maybe GNOME 3 has evolved into a more usable state. That said, I haven´t used it. I am now going with KDE 4.7.2 packages from http://qt-kde.debian.net and thats awesome. The Debian Qt/KDE team does not KDEPIM 2 for now, but I understand the reasoning for it. It seems to have a lot of problems at the moment. Hopefully thats one of the last really huge migrations in KDE world for a time. ;) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20291133.08877.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
Am Montag, 28. November 2011 schrieb Cybe R. Wizard: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:52:52 + Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I was unhappy with Gnome 3 at start, but after giving it a chance I've grown to like it. for instance, ALT Tab to move between desktop is a nice feature, its less hand movement than grabbing the mouse to click on a window. And its not a two handed operation as you scroll thru all the open windows, by just clicking tab while the ALT key is down. Not a GNOME3 innovation, this has long been the standard on Windows (since Windows 1.0) /and/ Unix-like systems. You just did't notice it before. I know Alt-Tab as key to switch between windows in KDE 4. In my current settings it does so via compose effect. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20291136.03901.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:36:03 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Montag, 28. November 2011 schrieb Cybe R. Wizard: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:52:52 + Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I was unhappy with Gnome 3 at start, but after giving it a chance I've grown to like it. for instance, ALT Tab to move between desktop is a nice feature, its less hand movement than grabbing the mouse to click on a window. And its not a two handed operation as you scroll thru all the open windows, by just clicking tab while the ALT key is down. Not a GNOME3 innovation, this has long been the standard on Windows (since Windows 1.0) /and/ Unix-like systems. You just did't notice it before. I know Alt-Tab as key to switch between windows in KDE 4. In my current settings it does so via compose effect. You're right; I am wrong. It does switch windows, not desktops. Ah, age and the loss of reading comprehension skills. It switches desktops for GNOME 3? I might have to load it up and try that. Cybe R. Wizard -- When Windows are opened the bugs come in. Winduhs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2029083626.20dd13ee@wizardstower
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:33:08 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 28. November 2011 schrieb Camaleón: (...) Nowadays, there is no way to get GNOME2 back as it was. No way, but not just for Debian but any other linux distributions (the last release of OpenBSD featured GNOME 2.32.2, though). Anyway, more sooner than later GNOME2 will be completely dropped from upstream. There is always Squeeze, aka Debian stable. Yes, which will last... ¿a year and a half? Sure, it will cure your current pains and pitfalls but I don't think that's a long-term solution. Well until then maybe GNOME 3 has evolved into a more usable state. (...) It is usable right now. Current version 3.0 (the one available in testing) is not as easy to configure as it was GNOME 2.32 but when wheezy comes out (as the new stable) it will include GNOME 3.2 or even 3.4 so things will have improved a lot in comparison to the current state. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.29.16.24...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On 27/11/11 11:04, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? There seems to be a lot of this negative reaction to Gnome3 and this leads me to not want to upgrade my Debian stable (squeeze) at all. This is the same trip that the KDE developers went down as well, which spawned an official fork which retained the original KDE3.* One can but hope that the GNOME developers will listen to their user base and offer an alternative or some kind developer will start a forked version of Gnome2 to retain the version that those who are reacting negatively to Gnome3 have come to know, love and trust. Either that, or users will engage in a mass exodus to LXDE or Xfce4 which would be a real shame. AG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed34e6c.6080...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:03:40 + AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: On 27/11/11 11:04, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? There seems to be a lot of this negative reaction to Gnome3 and this leads me to not want to upgrade my Debian stable (squeeze) at all. This is the same trip that the KDE developers went down as well, which spawned an official fork which retained the original KDE3.* One can but hope that the GNOME developers will listen to their user base and offer an alternative or some kind developer will start a forked version of Gnome2 to retain the version that those who are reacting negatively to Gnome3 have come to know, love and trust. Either that, or users will engage in a mass exodus to LXDE or Xfce4 which would be a real shame. AG Hi I was unhappy with Gnome 3 at start, but after giving it a chance I've grown to like it. for instance, ALT Tab to move between desktop is a nice feature, its less hand movement than grabbing the mouse to click on a window. And its not a two handed operation as you scroll thru all the open windows, by just clicking tab while the ALT key is down. Great for me as although I'm RH I use a LH mouse. Once the menu editing is sorted it will be a lot better than gnome2. Thats my opinion now. -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2028105252.4a6fb...@g8jvm.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On 28/11/11 10:52, Richard wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:03:40 + AGcomputing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: On 27/11/11 11:04, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? There seems to be a lot of this negative reaction to Gnome3 and this leads me to not want to upgrade my Debian stable (squeeze) at all. This is the same trip that the KDE developers went down as well, which spawned an official fork which retained the original KDE3.* One can but hope that the GNOME developers will listen to their user base and offer an alternative or some kind developer will start a forked version of Gnome2 to retain the version that those who are reacting negatively to Gnome3 have come to know, love and trust. Either that, or users will engage in a mass exodus to LXDE or Xfce4 which would be a real shame. AG Hi I was unhappy with Gnome 3 at start, but after giving it a chance I've grown to like it. for instance, ALT Tab to move between desktop is a nice feature, its less hand movement than grabbing the mouse to click on a window. I can use Alt+Tab to scroll through application windows using Gnome2 already. In fact, one can set up a range of these kinds of options by modifying the keyboard shortcuts under System Preferences And its not a two handed operation as you scroll thru all the open windows, by just clicking tab while the ALT key is down. Great for me as although I'm RH I use a LH mouse. Once the menu editing is sorted it will be a lot better than gnome2. Thats my opinion now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed36900.9000...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:29:10 -0900, Greg Madden wrote: On Sunday 27 November 2011 8:29:19 am Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:04:24 +, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? Nowadays, there is no way to get GNOME2 back as it was. No way, but not just for Debian but any other linux distributions (the last release of OpenBSD featured GNOME 2.32.2, though). Anyway, more sooner than later GNOME2 will be completely dropped from upstream. There is always Squeeze, aka Debian stable. Yes, which will last... ¿a year and a half? Sure, it will cure your current pains and pitfalls but I don't think that's a long-term solution. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.28.14.37...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:52:52 + Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I was unhappy with Gnome 3 at start, but after giving it a chance I've grown to like it. for instance, ALT Tab to move between desktop is a nice feature, its less hand movement than grabbing the mouse to click on a window. And its not a two handed operation as you scroll thru all the open windows, by just clicking tab while the ALT key is down. Not a GNOME3 innovation, this has long been the standard on Windows (since Windows 1.0) /and/ Unix-like systems. You just did't notice it before. Cybe R. Wizard -- When Windows are opened the bugs come in. Winduhs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2028083845.22260b20@wizardstower
How can I get GNOME 2 back
I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7f48.4ed21938.82...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On 11/27/2011 09:04 AM, Cam Hutchison wrote: Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? You can find packages here: http://snapshot.debian.org/ But if they are not uninstallable already because of dependency problems, they soon will be. The source code is available, for sure. But since it is not maintained anymore, it will become harder and harder to compile, because libraries change, stop being supported, etc. That said, someone mentioned a fork of the old v2 code. I can't remember the name, check the archives. It might get you some more time with the old interface. -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed23bb0.5020...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
Cam Hutchison c...@xdna.net wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? I had a similar problem when I found out Gnome 3 Nautilus didn’t behave at all like Nautilus 2 – using snapshot.debian.org, I was able to reinstall Nautilus 2 (together with Evince and Brasero, I think) and now I can happily continue using it together with an otherwise up-to-date XFCE. I would assume that adding a pre-Gnome-3-Link for snapshot.debian.org to your sources.list and then manually reinstalling all the necessary components would do the trick. However, you won’t get any more patches/updates for it, obviously. Best regards, Claudius -- I wasn't kissing her, I was whispering in her mouth. -- Chico Marx Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4 http://chubig.net/ http://nightfall.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2027144952.6e10e...@ares.home.chubig.net
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On 11/27/2011 09:04 AM, Cam Hutchison wrote: Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? You can find packages here: http://snapshot.debian.org/ But if they are not uninstallable already because of dependency problems, they soon will be. The source code is available, for sure. But since it is not maintained anymore, it will become harder and harder to compile, because libraries change, stop being supported, etc. That said, someone mentioned a fork of the old v2 code. I can't remember the name, check the archives. It might get you some more time with the old interface. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MATE Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jath1r$k0p$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:04:24 +, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? Nowadays, there is no way to get GNOME2 back as it was. No way, but not just for Debian but any other linux distributions (the last release of OpenBSD featured GNOME 2.32.2, though). Anyway, more sooner than later GNOME2 will be completely dropped from upstream. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.27.17.29...@gmail.com
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Sunday 27 November 2011 8:29:19 am Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:04:24 +, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? Nowadays, there is no way to get GNOME2 back as it was. No way, but not just for Debian but any other linux distributions (the last release of OpenBSD featured GNOME 2.32.2, though). Anyway, more sooner than later GNOME2 will be completely dropped from upstream. There is always Squeeze, aka Debian stable. -- Peace, Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20271029.10378.gomadtr...@gci.net
Re: How can I get GNOME 2 back
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:04:24 +, Cam Hutchison wrote: I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? You are on a hiding to nothing. GNOME2 is dead. Yes, there is at least one fork, but it/they are doomed. You could try to hang on to GNOME2 by switching to another distribution - which anyway you say you don't want to do - or reverting to Squeeze, but either is only a short term solution. When GNOME3 arrived (early for me, in Fedora 15) I evaluated KDE and XFCE, and neither was to my taste. Then I looked at LXDE and switched to it. It suits me fine, and I use it as my DE in Squeeze too. Camaleón recommends trying to assimilate GNOME3 and its shell, and waiting for it to be improved, but that's not for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jaua6g$a3n$3...@dough.gmane.org
