Re: How to count actual users?
on Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:44:15PM -0700, Paul Johnson insinuated: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:07:06AM +0200, Peter Bartosch wrote: Ask everyone who uses GNU/Linux to raise their hand. Could i lower it now, please? Typing is bad with only one hand! Not to mention people start avoiding your keyboard when you tell them you type with one hand. 8;o) my slow-typing roommates had a great euphemism along these lines sophomore year: hunting and pecking for the 'Q' ;) /nori -- .~. nori @ sccs.swarthmore.edu /V\ http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/ // \\ @ maenad.net /( )\ www.maenad.net ^`~'^ get my (*new*) key here: http://www.maenad.net/geek/gpg/7ede5499.asc (please *remove* old key 11e031f1!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
on Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi All, I've been attempting to estimate how many Linux users there are and I've come accross too many differing statistics. I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. Does anyone know the number? Could it be posted to this list? It may be usefull as a statistic for Debian advocacy. Ask everyone who uses GNU/Linux to raise their hand. Count them. The problem of counting GNU/Linux (or Debian) users is nontrivial. Fortunately, this is a problem for both GNU/Linux and non-Linux types. Among other things, it means that Microsoft can't possibly figure out how many of us there are. This is based on any number of issues, starting with the definition of what a user is. You end up with something frighteningly close to surveys which report sex as the subject's gender identification preference. Best numbers likely come oug of IDG, specifically Dan Kuznetsky, though he tends to track unit shipments and dollar sales, rather than hypothetical users. Still, Dan is one of the more generally clueful folks. Unfortunately, his clues cost money. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Data corrupts. Absolute data corrupts absolutely. -- Ed Self's corollary of Atkinson's Law. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to count actual users?
Hi! on Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi All, I've been attempting to estimate how many Linux users there are and I've come accross too many differing statistics. I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. Does anyone know the number? Could it be posted to this list? It may be usefull as a statistic for Debian advocacy. Ask everyone who uses GNU/Linux to raise their hand. Could i lower it now, please? Typing is bad with only one hand! SCNR Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:07:06AM +0200, Peter Bartosch wrote: Ask everyone who uses GNU/Linux to raise their hand. Could i lower it now, please? Typing is bad with only one hand! Not to mention people start avoiding your keyboard when you tell them you type with one hand. 8;o) - -- .''`. Baloo Ursidae [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE++mwPJ5vLSqVpK2kRAjJGAJwLyJI7y+gMx0DE9MQaQmSxHrTr0gCgokZe iIhbuvmHbobpIhzK2h1UKZA= =7C3q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to count actual users?
Hi All, I've been attempting to estimate how many Linux users there are and I've come accross too many differing statistics. I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. Does anyone know the number? Could it be posted to this list? It may be usefull as a statistic for Debian advocacy. thanks --ptw -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright wrote: I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. http://lists.debian.org/stats/ Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright wrote: I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. from http://lists.debian.org/stats/ you can say number of users = 31880 unless people subscribe to debian-announce twice. not sure how you would calculate the actual number of unique subscribed addresses unless you were a listmaster. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to count actual users?
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 18:03, Paul Wright wrote: Hi All, I've been attempting to estimate how many Linux users there are and I've come accross too many differing statistics. By users, do you mean people (timesharing, etc) or computers (client/server, beowulf, etc)? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Oh, great altar of passive entertainment, bestow upon me | | thy discordant images at such speed as to render linear | | thought impossible (Calvin, regarding TV) | +--- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 12:31:46AM +0100, Hugh Saunders wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright wrote: I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. from http://lists.debian.org/stats/ you can say number of users = 31880 unless people subscribe to debian-announce twice. not sure how you would calculate the actual number of unique subscribed addresses unless you were a listmaster. There's 69454 unique subscribed addresses. The problem is that you have a fair amount of people who uses different addresses for different lists. There are also a few mailing lists subscribed to some of the mailing lists, so that number might give you an idea of the order of magnitude, but not much more. There are also people reading the Debian mailing lists through mail to news gateways such as gmane[1]. You will still have to find a way to count people like the ones on the Who's using Debian page [2], where you can have 3-4 addresses on the mailing lists, and over 500 computers running Debian. Cheers, Pasc [1]: http://www.gmane.org [2]: http://www.debian.org/users -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 01:03 am, Paul Wright wrote: Hi All, I've been attempting to estimate how many Linux users there are and I've come accross too many differing statistics. Look at this site: http://counter.li.org/index.php 135 683 registered users 119 403 registered machines http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php Red Hat 28.71% Debian 19.17% Mandrake16.56% SuSE11.38% Slackware 11.37% So, roughtly, for Debian, 135 683 * 19.17% = ~26010. Not far away from those ~31000 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
