Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Boyan Penkov]

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> On Mar 13, 2019, at 07:55, Andrea Borgia  wrote:
> 
> Yup, my bad: I assumed that the package still had a reason to be installed. 
> It might have been a mistake or a requirement of an earlier video card, the 
> system is more than 10 yrs old and I am not sure anymore if the card is still 
> the original one.
> 

Hey folks — just a though on this: would it be worth filing a bug against 
nvidia-checker to have it tell you when you have a non-nvidia card installed, 
and should look at other drivers?

> Thanks.
> 
> Il giorno mer 13 mar 2019 alle ore 12:47 Brad Rogers  > ha scritto:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:27:51 +0100
> Andrea Borgia mailto:and...@borgia.bo.it>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrea,
> 
> >Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> >[AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]
> 
> .It's a Radeon card.  nVidia drivers are worthless to you.
> 
> -- 
>  Regards  _
>  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> No guarantee the stimuli must be perceived the same...
> Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts

Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Andrea Borgia]

Good idea, I'll check the metapackage, though.

Il giorno mer 13 mar 2019 alle ore 13:17 Brad Rogers  ha
scritto:

> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:55:40 +0100
> Andrea Borgia  wrote:
>
> Hello Andrea,
>
> >Yup, my bad: I assumed that the package still had a reason to be
> >installed. It might have been a mistake or a requirement of an earlier
>
> The probable reason is that you've got the video drivers metapackage
> (exact name escapes me ATM) installed.  As a result, all drivers, whether
> needed or not, are installed.
>
> Unless disk space is at a premium, you may as well leave them all in
> place.  If nothing else, should you need to change your GFX card in
> future, no matter from what manufacturer it comes, the drivers will most
> likely already be in place.
>
> --
>  Regards  _
>  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> I'm doubling the rent 'coz the building's condemned
> Let's Lynch The Landlord - Dead Kennedys
>

Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:55:40 +0100
Andrea Borgia  wrote:

Hello Andrea,

>Yup, my bad: I assumed that the package still had a reason to be
>installed. It might have been a mistake or a requirement of an earlier

The probable reason is that you've got the video drivers metapackage
(exact name escapes me ATM) installed.  As a result, all drivers, whether
needed or not, are installed.

Unless disk space is at a premium, you may as well leave them all in
place.  If nothing else, should you need to change your GFX card in
future, no matter from what manufacturer it comes, the drivers will most
likely already be in place.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[tomas]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:51:58PM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Duh :)
> Other than feeling a bit stupid [...]

Take it easy. Happens to me on a daily basis ;-)

On a more positive note, your question and the answers you got might
help somebody else to solve their problem...

Cheers
-- t


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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Andrea Borgia]

Yup, my bad: I assumed that the package still had a reason to be installed.
It might have been a mistake or a requirement of an earlier video card, the
system is more than 10 yrs old and I am not sure anymore if the card is
still the original one.

Thanks.

Il giorno mer 13 mar 2019 alle ore 12:47 Brad Rogers  ha
scritto:

> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:27:51 +0100
> Andrea Borgia  wrote:
>
> Hello Andrea,
>
> >Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a
>
> Maybe.
>
> >[AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]
>
> .It's a Radeon card.  nVidia drivers are worthless to you.
>
> --
>  Regards  _
>  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> No guarantee the stimuli must be perceived the same...
> Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts
>

Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Andrea Borgia]

Duh :)
Other than feeling a bit stupid, now I have to find out why the system had
that package installed.

Thanks,
Andrea.

Il giorno mer 13 mar 2019 alle ore 12:37  ha scritto:

> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:27:51PM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> > Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 22:34 Boyan Penkov <
> > boyan.pen...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I installed nvidia-legacy-390, uninstalled nvidia-legacy-checker, and
> my
> > > machine survived a reboot with the GUI coming up nicely.
> > >
> >
> > Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a
> "Fermi"
> > card as the warning in nvidia-graphics-drivers says?
> > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> > RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]
>
> This one is definitely not: Fermi is an NVIDIA family (well, architecture
> [1]), whereas yours is ATI (now part of AMD), which is NVIDIA's rival [2]
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_(microarchitecture)
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás
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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:27:51 +0100
Andrea Borgia  wrote:

Hello Andrea,

>Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a

Maybe.

>[AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]

.It's a Radeon card.  nVidia drivers are worthless to you.

-- 
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 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[tomas]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:27:51PM +0100, Andrea Borgia wrote:
> Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 22:34 Boyan Penkov <
> boyan.pen...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> 
> > I installed nvidia-legacy-390, uninstalled nvidia-legacy-checker, and my
> > machine survived a reboot with the GUI coming up nicely.
> >
> 
> Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a "Fermi"
> card as the warning in nvidia-graphics-drivers says?
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]

This one is definitely not: Fermi is an NVIDIA family (well, architecture
[1]), whereas yours is ATI (now part of AMD), which is NVIDIA's rival [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_(microarchitecture)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Andrea Borgia]

Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 22:34 Boyan Penkov <
boyan.pen...@gmail.com> ha scritto:



> I installed nvidia-legacy-390, uninstalled nvidia-legacy-checker, and my
> machine survived a reboot with the GUI coming up nicely.
>

Perhaps a silly question but... how do I know whether my card is a "Fermi"
card as the warning in nvidia-graphics-drivers says?
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series]

Thanks,
Andrea.

Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 09:35:53 +0100
Erwan David  wrote:

Hello Erwan,

>drivers. However, here I got a system in a dirty state, and no standard
>way to get it clean (how can I say "Ok revert the partial installation
>and keep the installed version" ?).

As it happens, I ended up in a similar position.  That is, some v410
stuff installed along side the 390xx-legacy packages.  I had to expunge
the 410 packages by hand(1), and substitute with the comparable legacy
packages.  Installing the 390xx drivers metapackage went a long way
helping in that regard.  Along the way, the legacy nvidia driver got
marked for removal, but watching and reading carefully I spotted that,
and managed to clear the removal marker without problem(2).

I agree that the process could be cleaner, but not being anywhere near
knowledgeable enough about the upgrade processes, I have no idea how
feasible that is.

>I installed the nvidia-legacy-39xx, but I do like doing things like that
>in a hurry,

I think you meant to say 'I do not like.' and I can't say I blame
you.

(1)  Whether it was strictly necessary, IDK.  But as this computer will
now forever be on the legacy drivers, nvidia-detect and its ilk are no
longer necessary.

(2)  I find it rather a tense time, after such an update, rebooting the
computer to see if I've managed the video driver update process properly,
or screwed it up royally, and ended up with no running X.

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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Erwan David]

On 12/03/2019 19:33, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:03:12 +0100
> Erwan David  wrote:
>
> Hello Erwan,
>
>> And what should I have done ? Install non working drivers ?
> You should have read the warning;  It tells which version of the legacy
> packages you need to install.


Yes it does, but once I have said I do not want to install the
nvidia-driver package, it then stops with the nvidia packages and
several other unrelated packages partially installed.

I would have understood, that it stopped, allowing me to do the other
upgrades, keeping the nvidia stuff (and what depends on it) at the
current version then have a look at the alternatives for the graphic
drivers. However, here I got a system in a dirty state, and no standard
way to get it clean (how can I say "Ok revert the partial installation
and keep the installed version" ?).

I installed the nvidia-legacy-39xx, but I do like doing things like that
in a hurry,





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Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Boyan Penkov]

On 3/12/19 2:03 PM, Erwan David wrote:

When upgrading my lenovo T530 I was warned that nvidia-driver does not
support anymore my graphic card. Thus I chose to not upgrade in the dialog.

Now I have partially installed packages for nvidia driver, so what
should I do with this ?

And what should I have done ? Install non working drivers ?


I am on a W520, equipped with a Quadro-1000M; I saw the same warning you 
did, and the card was identified correctly.  I am on Buster.


I installed nvidia-legacy-390, uninstalled nvidia-legacy-checker, and my 
machine survived a reboot with the GUI coming up nicely.


YMMV.

On a totally separate note, I have no idea actually if I am using this 
driver over nouveau, since I was messing with bumblebee a while back and 
don't push the graphics capabilities here

Re: How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:03:12 +0100
Erwan David  wrote:

Hello Erwan,

>And what should I have done ? Install non working drivers ?

You should have read the warning;  It tells which version of the legacy
packages you need to install.

I'm guessing, based on the fact that you updated today, you're using
testing.  Further guess work suggests (because you give NO technical
info at all, like which GFX card you're using) you should use the 390xx
legacy packages.

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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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How to get a clean situation for nvidia drivers

[Erwan David]

When upgrading my lenovo T530 I was warned that nvidia-driver does not
support anymore my graphic card. Thus I chose to not upgrade in the dialog.

Now I have partially installed packages for nvidia driver, so what
should I do with this ?

And what should I have done ? Install non working drivers ?