I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Mark Panzer
Here's what happened,

I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
start any??  Thanks for your help..

PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
you can move them)

Mark


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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Stephen J. Carpenter
On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:03:23AM -0500, Mark Panzer wrote:
 Here's what happened,
 
 I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
 that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
 decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
 and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
 window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
 start any??  Thanks for your help..

hmmm wmaker is your default?
try commenting out wmaker.
If that works...try this:
move the GNUstep directory in your home drive to a new name.
then try...wmaker will recreate its standard GNUstep dir...
I found that I many times set somethin in wmaker and next thing I knew
wmaker wouldn't run anymore...in fact...all I got
was twm (which afaik isn't even listed in my window-managers file...
I hate twm)
maybe this will fix it? give it a try
course...I went back to fvwm2 last nnight...I find I prefer
fvwm2 with tkdesk to wmaker

 PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
 you can move them)

I sorta agree...it is different...hmmm
could take out fvwm2 sources...strip em down totally...
take out all the code for most functions... get rid of all window
decorations... no titlebar...no fram...
just a window manager with 1 function..it lets you move windows
h
-Steve

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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Mark Panzer
Stephen J. Carpenter wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:03:23AM -0500, Mark Panzer wrote:
  Here's what happened,
 
  I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
  that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
  decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
  and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
  window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
  start any??  Thanks for your help..
 
 hmmm wmaker is your default?
 try commenting out wmaker.
 If that works...try this:
 move the GNUstep directory in your home drive to a new name.
 then try...wmaker will recreate its standard GNUstep dir...
 I found that I many times set somethin in wmaker and next thing I knew
 wmaker wouldn't run anymore...in fact...all I got
 was twm (which afaik isn't even listed in my window-managers file...
 I hate twm)
 maybe this will fix it? give it a try
 course...I went back to fvwm2 last nnight...I find I prefer
 fvwm2 with tkdesk to wmaker
 
Sorry that didn't work.  It would be really nice to have X start a
window manager for me again.  I've also had problems trying to get out
of X (because the WM didn't 'hook' into it correctly.  When I use the
really quit command in FVWM2 I just loose the window manager X doesn't
shut-down!)  I also didn't know if you noticed that I have NO window
manager when I start-up X.

  PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
  you can move them)
 
 I sorta agree...it is different...hmmm
 could take out fvwm2 sources...strip em down totally...
 take out all the code for most functions... get rid of all window
 decorations... no titlebar...no fram...
 just a window manager with 1 function..it lets you move windows
 h
 -Steve
Just think of all those pixles you'll save (especially when I can only
do 800X600).

Mark


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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Mark Harrison m0192@
Mark Panzer wrote:
 
 Stephen J. Carpenter wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:03:23AM -0500, Mark Panzer wrote:
   Here's what happened,
  
   I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
   that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
   decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
   and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
   window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
   start any??  Thanks for your help..
 
  hmmm wmaker is your default?
  try commenting out wmaker.
  If that works...try this:
  move the GNUstep directory in your home drive to a new name.
  then try...wmaker will recreate its standard GNUstep dir...
  I found that I many times set somethin in wmaker and next thing I knew
  wmaker wouldn't run anymore...in fact...all I got
  was twm (which afaik isn't even listed in my window-managers file...
  I hate twm)
  maybe this will fix it? give it a try
  course...I went back to fvwm2 last nnight...I find I prefer
  fvwm2 with tkdesk to wmaker
 
 Sorry that didn't work.  It would be really nice to have X start a
 window manager for me again.  I've also had problems trying to get out
 of X (because the WM didn't 'hook' into it correctly.  When I use the
 really quit command in FVWM2 I just loose the window manager X doesn't
 shut-down!)  I also didn't know if you noticed that I have NO window
 manager when I start-up X.

Do you have a file /etc/X11/Xsession?
it should say that if all else fails then use twm. Its sounds like this
worked before. Also, what is in your ~/.xinitrc and/or ~/.xsession
files? (if you have them). If you want FVWM2 then try putting exec
/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2 in one of these files (I think they need to be
shell scripts, so put #!/bin/sh at the start). Don't use an , that
way when you quit fvwm2, X will also quit. But if you have the fvwm2
package installed then /etc/X11/Xsession should find it in the
window-managers file.
I just had the same trouble with afterstep not using the window-managers
file and resorted to using the ~/.xsession file method.
Mark.


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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Stephen J. Carpenter
On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:47:15AM -0500, Mark Panzer wrote:
 Stephen J. Carpenter wrote:
  
  On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 09:03:23AM -0500, Mark Panzer wrote:
   Here's what happened,
  
   I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
   that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
   decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
   and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
   window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
   start any??  Thanks for your help..
  
  hmmm wmaker is your default?
  try commenting out wmaker.
  If that works...try this:
  move the GNUstep directory in your home drive to a new name.
  then try...wmaker will recreate its standard GNUstep dir...
  I found that I many times set somethin in wmaker and next thing I knew
  wmaker wouldn't run anymore...in fact...all I got
  was twm (which afaik isn't even listed in my window-managers file...
  I hate twm)
  maybe this will fix it? give it a try
  course...I went back to fvwm2 last nnight...I find I prefer
  fvwm2 with tkdesk to wmaker
  
 Sorry that didn't work.  It would be really nice to have X start a
 window manager for me again.  I've also had problems trying to get out
 of X (because the WM didn't 'hook' into it correctly.  When I use the
 really quit command in FVWM2 I just loose the window manager X doesn't
 shut-down!)  I also didn't know if you noticed that I have NO window
 manager when I start-up X.

ok so then you can still run fvwm2 by hand after X starts...
thats good.

can you setup a new fresh user account and try that? if that works then it
is some configuration in your home dir...
blast away any .xsession or such

if not...chekc ou tthe global configs... /etc/X11/Xsession
that is where the window-manager is loaded



   PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
   you can move them)
  
  I sorta agree...it is different...hmmm
  could take out fvwm2 sources...strip em down totally...
  take out all the code for most functions... get rid of all window
  decorations... no titlebar...no fram...
  just a window manager with 1 function..it lets you move windows
  h
  -Steve
 Just think of all those pixles you'll save (especially when I can only
 do 800X600).

I couldn't live without my 1024x768 32bpp

:)
 
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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
By any chance had you upgraded to xbase 3.3.2.2-2 just before this
happens.  In that upgrade, the link from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to
/etc/X11/Xsession is broken.  The fix is to either add the link or upgrade
to 3.3.2.2-3.

Bob

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Mark Panzer wrote:

 Here's what happened,
 
 I guess I was  a little jumpy and I started typing in one of the X-terms
 that opens by default before window-maker started.  Then it [X-win]
 decided not to load a window-manager.  No problem I thought, I rebooted
 and tried again, still no window-manager.  I looked in my
 window-managers file and all of them are listed, how come it doesn't
 start any??  Thanks for your help..
 
 PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
 you can move them)
 
 Mark
 
 
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Re: I lost my window managers!!!!!!!!!!!!

1998-07-21 Thread Deniz Dogan
Mark Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   PS - windows look kinda neat without a window manager sometimes (except
   you can move them)
  
  I sorta agree...it is different...hmmm
  could take out fvwm2 sources...strip em down totally...
  take out all the code for most functions... get rid of all window
  decorations... no titlebar...no fram...
  just a window manager with 1 function..it lets you move windows
  h
  -Steve
 Just think of all those pixles you'll save (especially when I can only
 do 800X600).
 

Take a look at wm2: (from http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/)

 wm2 is a window manager for X. Using wm2, you can: 
  move windows around the screen; 
  resize windows both horizontally and vertically; 
  hide windows; 
  restore hidden windows; and 
  delete windows. 
  wm2 also adds a stylish frame to each managed window. 
 wm2 does not provide: 
  icons; 
  configurability; 
  a virtual desktop; 
  extendable root menus; 
  toolbars - button panels - docking areas - c. 

Cheers

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