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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. That is true, but he is still be pestered more than you and I would like to live with. I just wish our government would get over the fascist notion that only governements should be allowed to protect secrets. All of the current software restrictions fail to keep the sofware in question from the rest of the world and only act to impede free trade between US citizens and the rest of the world. I can see I'm starting to rant, sorry, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask --
Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Well, even though I support and use Debian, I am running a client compiled for aix 3.2.5 (RS6K 370) 1MKeys in 37 seconds... just better than a p100. Should I chalk that one up for an ibm/aix group? All the win95 clients... you want microsoft to get credit for them? Just Wondering, Walter L. Preuninger II -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 01:00 PM 2/26/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: 1. Do we want it? Do we really want free software to be associated with code-breaking in the eyes of the uneducated public? I'm not sure that would not hurt us. Just think about the articles on a government code being broken using a hacker tool called Debian. Also, some of the people participating most likely don't have permission to use their employer's machines for outside cryptography projects (I'm thinking of a certain person at a U.S. military facility). I don't want to be around when that gets exposed. Well Bruce, you've given them a head start to find [EMAIL PROTECTED] already by posting to a public mailing list :-) Seriously though, the whole idea is that it's just a project to beat the cryptography and say that it _can_ be cracked - fair enough, over a long time, but it can still be cracked nevertheless. If anyone cracks it then it brings an awareness to the government about the potential of computers and their need for new cryptograhy. 2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived as working against people we should be working with? IMO no. Who in the Linux world hasn't heard of Debian? When a person decides to run Linux they basically have a a few coices; Debian, Redhat and Slackware - I can't think of any others that are as popular! So if everyone knows or has heard that Debian is a Linux distribution we'll always be associated with linuxnet. 3. Are there better ways for us to spend our time? I sure think so. Bruce, please :-) You've got to consider that some of us administrators don't have things going wrong, aren't busy and need something to do or just don't have lives in general - so this is something along the lines of a big gettogether :-) It's a compuational challenge. It doesn't matter where we are on any list on the stats - it's who gets the correct keyspace who gets the price. If I started under my own email address and cracked it I'd laugh at all of you and keep the money for myself (oh alright, I'd donate $1 to Debian and $1 to Linux:-). Having said that, we could form our own syndicate and split the winnings between ourselves, but we're about that - we're doing it under the Debian name which I consider to be the best thing we can do for the project. In fact, I'd like to see more involvment in things as the Debian name - as I said before, if we exploit our name a bit we may start getting donations of machines from big companies like other groups. Just my 2 cents worth. -- ___ Karl Ferguson, Tower Networking Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/a STAR Online Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +61-9-455-3446 Fax: +61-9-455-2776 http://www.star.net.au ___ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce: From: Mike Neuffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search. Big deal. They have years to go. We might ask ourselves some questions about this kind of publicity. 1. Do we want it? Do we really want free software to be associated with code-breaking in the eyes of the uneducated public? I'm not sure that would not hurt us. Just think about the articles on a government code being broken using a hacker tool called Debian. Also, some of the people participating most likely don't have permission to use their employer's machines for outside cryptography projects (I'm thinking of a certain person at a U.S. military facility). I don't want to be around when that gets exposed. I don't think anyone is going to present it that way. Good, strong cryptography solves an awful lot of problems. We have been using PGP extensively within the Debian project. The reason RSA is sponsoring this is to prove a political point -- the U.S. export controls cost them real money. 2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived as working against people we should be working with? The real purpose of the contest is to crunch numbers and prove a political point. A little bit of rivalry helps, I think. Anyways, nobody has alot invested in this and I really doubt that many egos were being bent out of shape by the debian entry. Except maybe Bruce's? :-) 3. Are there better ways for us to spend our time? I sure think so. I thought it was sort of cool. Considering how negative much of the discussion in the mailing lists has been lately (ie. debmake vs. debstd, RPM vs. deb, etc.) -- I was impressed by how the Debian community was able to come together for some fun and games. Bruce, don't spend all your time worrying about how Debian is going to be viewed by the rest of the Linux community. The main reason I use Debian is not for the quality of the distribution. Instead, I use it because it has a real user and developer community. I suspect that's why most people here use it too. Red Hat doesn't stand up to the same criteria. I believe the role of the leader of the Debian project should be more like being the mayor of the community, with the board of directors acting like city counsel-people. The real strength of the Debian is in building a strong community. Therefore, I don't think that it is very constructive when the leader independently scuttles a project the community was solidly behind without even consulting anyone. Other than that, you're doing a good job as a leader. That's my take on it anyways... Cheers, - Jim pgp7ORoLAMKLW.pgp Description: PGP signature
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From: John T. Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. I asked the people at Zero to lump our points in with those for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . They are either doing that or just deleting our submissions from the log, I'm not sure. I was hoping to have the proxy set up first so you could also ask them to transfer the points to the www.debian.org machine and the debian.org domain. Would you ask them that, too? (when the proxy is running) Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
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Bruce, don't spend all your time worrying about how Debian is going to be viewed by the rest of the Linux community. Uh, sorry, this is my job within the project. We've been really careful to maintain good relations with the other Linux distributions and free software producers. Messing them up over something so trivial as this just doesn't seem worth it. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce, I feel I have to reply after reading some follow ups, including yours. It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real Well Bruce, with all due respect, have you looked at the numbers? This linux group has been participating for 150 hours. We ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) have been participating for about 110... but they have 10 times the keyblocks! Doesn't that tell you something? I don't think there's a real chance of beating them. embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I'll change it as soon as someone explains to me what the heck is linuxnet. It's not linux.org. They don't have a web server, and a simple search using AltaVista reveals this is some sort of IRC network based on linux servers. They are NOT Linux. On the other hand I know what debian.org is... well, maybe. Isn't Debian about group collaboration worldwide? That's what the controversial press release said. I think THIS is worldwide collaboration. A LOT of people willing to put machine time to make a POLITICAL STATEMENT. The money? I don't care about it. If I'd care about the prize I'll be running the thing under [EMAIL PROTECTED] who knows? I may get lucky. But that's not it. I beleive in the Debian Project, and I prefer Debian over RedHat and others because of it's users (along with many incredible features it has)! If one of the machines I administer turns out to find the correct answer, I'm donating the money to Debian/FSF/Linux. You have made some really good bad-points about what the people may perceive about Debian if it wins. But I think we can make some really good good-points if that happens. We are not trying to beat Linux. We ARE (part of) Linux. We are Debian/GNU Linux. We are NOT RedHat/Slackware/whatever. We like them, but we are not them. Please reconsider. Marcelo Magallon -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Thanks Bruce Perens President Software in the Public Interest (Debian's corporation) -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How is this thing being scored? Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? While the probability of any given group finding the key is proportional to the fraction of the keyspace explored by that group, it could be found by anybody. The odds only favor the leaders if they explore more of the keyspace than all the others put together. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports etc. This is a *bad* idea IMO. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Karl Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. I'd prefer to avoid the perception that we would work _against_ Linux if it would profit Debian. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have created the perception that Debian would work against Linux if it profited Debian. That's not a good perception to have. I have already sent my apologies to the Linux team for the entire project. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you win by exploring a larger fraction of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have created the perception that Debian would work against Linux if it profited Debian. That's not a good perception to have. I have already sent my apologies to the Linux team for the entire project. I still don't understand your reasoning here. This is not a zero-sum game. *Everyone* particpating in the RC5 contest is, whether they know it or not, not trying to beat other participants, but send a message to U.S. legislators regarding cryptography. Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) I think it would score a lot of PR points for Debian to place, or win. Debian is a Linux distribution. Our win is Linux's win. Our win is the FSF's win. Our win is even, to some degree, RedHat's and Slackware's win, because they serve a similar market with a similar product. Microsoft droids don't appear to be participating: I didn't see any pre-compiled clients for Windows NT. Please reconsider, Bruce. If you have a firm conviction that we're going to irreversibly hack off Linus or RMS by winning, and cause trouble for the Debian project in the future, then fine, I agree with your position. I'd like to hear why, though. I submit that anyone who thinks that Debian is attempting to slight the rest of the Linux/GNU community by this effort is just not seeing things clearly. No distribution does better than ours in giving credit where credit is due. This is ultimately a cooperative contest, not a competitive one. Thanks for listening. -- Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. | G. Branden Robinson -- Robert Heinlein| [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports etc. This is a *bad* idea IMO. Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater cause while at the same time getting airplay for Debian? -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts you...but hopefully things didn't get quite that bad for him... -- You can have my PGP passphrase when you pry it | G. Branden Robinson from my cold, dead brain. -- Adam Thornton| [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater cause while at the same time getting airplay for Debian? Because it'll still look like we're competiting with linuxnet (well, not we - I've been running as linuxnet and I'm going to continue doing so). It wouldn't be a bad idea if the Linux community tried to look just a bit unified in things like this. -- Juri Pakaste/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 26, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater cause while at the same time getting airplay for Debian? I think it may be an excellent idea to _ask_ the other non-debian members of the linux community and see what they think. We can talk all we want, and it won't change what they think we're doing. If the rest of the linux world doesn't mind if we run under [EMAIL PROTECTED] (especially if that email address is just added to the total for [EMAIL PROTECTED]), then all is well and good. If they think we're impertenent snobs, perhaps we should change. As a side note: Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. -- - John Larkin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://aij.st.hmc.edu/~jlarkin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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subtle, but correct. I've switched (my not terribly significant) machines over... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, RC5. Tomorrow, DES. Next week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man. (Oh well, we can dream...) Bruce: The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. Branden: I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts you...but hopefully things didn't get quite that bad for him... Look at www.pgp.com . He's quite the businessman. Bought Viacrypt and folded it into his own company, etc. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John T. Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. I asked the people at Zero to lump our points in with those for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . They are either doing that or just deleting our submissions from the log, I'm not sure. I suggest that those who wish to participate _for_debian_ establish a socks server in the debian domain that they all submit their reports through. That will put the email as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the host name as something in Debian. Again, I wanted to avoid the perception that Debian would work against Linux if it profited Debian to do so. I doubt Linus or RMS give a hoot what happens either way (Linus didn't mention it to me when we emailed yesterday) but other people do. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote: At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote: It was OK for us to participate as [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the RSA Data Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating the Linux group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your reporting address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOW. I have asked the statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group? The whole idea is to increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity. I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports etc. This is a *bad* idea IMO. Yes. So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search. Mike Michael Neufferi-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home of the Debian Master Server. [EMAIL PROTECTED]14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 503.641.8774 Beaverton, OR 97005 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mike Neuffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search. Big deal. They have years to go. We might ask ourselves some questions about this kind of publicity. 1. Do we want it? Do we really want free software to be associated with code-breaking in the eyes of the uneducated public? I'm not sure that would not hurt us. Just think about the articles on a government code being broken using a hacker tool called Debian. Also, some of the people participating most likely don't have permission to use their employer's machines for outside cryptography projects (I'm thinking of a certain person at a U.S. military facility). I don't want to be around when that gets exposed. 2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived as working against people we should be working with? 3. Are there better ways for us to spend our time? I sure think so. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
