Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 06:03:37PM -0400, B. Szyszka wrote: Is there any particular reason why the Debian and/or KDE mirror sites don't offer the apt sources? Getting at least half of the KDE mirrors out there to mirror the apt sources would be heaven. Gnome has a buttload of apt sources, why can't KDE? Debian folk have determined that the QT license is incompatible with the GPL. Hence, KDE stuff is bound to a non-free license... I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense considering the other non-free software that is distributed... -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/egm2.gpg | ++
Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
*- On 4 Oct, Eric G . Miller wrote about Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went. On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 06:03:37PM -0400, B. Szyszka wrote: Is there any particular reason why the Debian and/or KDE mirror sites don't offer the apt sources? Getting at least half of the KDE mirrors out there to mirror the apt sources would be heaven. Gnome has a buttload of apt sources, why can't KDE? Debian folk have determined that the QT license is incompatible with the GPL. Hence, KDE stuff is bound to a non-free license... I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense considering the other non-free software that is distributed... It is not that Qt is incomaptible it is the fact that KDE is linked to software under a non GPL license and KDE is under the GPL. This violates the GPL. See http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008 for all the specifics. Keep in mind that this is for Qt v1, Qt v2 is under a different license so things are starting to change for the better. -- Brian Servis Mechanical Engineering | Never criticize anybody until you Purdue University | have walked a mile in their shoes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | because by that time you will be a http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis | mile away and have their shoes.
Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 04:42:59PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 06:03:37PM -0400, B. Szyszka wrote: Is there any particular reason why the Debian and/or KDE mirror sites don't offer the apt sources? Getting at least half of the KDE mirrors out there to mirror the apt sources would be heaven. Gnome has a buttload of apt sources, why can't KDE? Debian folk have determined that the QT license is incompatible with the GPL. Hence, KDE stuff is bound to a non-free license... I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense considering the other non-free software that is distributed... The non-freeness isn't such an issue as the fact that the restrictions in the GPL make it illegal to distribute KDE binaries. You're not allowed to combine code under the GPL with code under a more restrictive license (such as the QT one) and distribute the results. The chances of anyone trying to sue because of KDE are minimal, but since pretty much all Debian resources are donated and we encourage third parties to sell and distribute our stuff it is felt that paranoia is the best policy. As to why KDE don't provide mirror space for Debian packages, I don't know. It could be political, although that is completely uninformed speculation. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpJlQrHfNdry.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
Is there any particular reason why the Debian and/or KDE mirror sites don't offer the apt sources? Getting at least half of the KDE mirrors out there to mirror the apt sources would be heaven. Gnome has a buttload of apt sources, why can't KDE? Debian folk have determined that the QT license is incompatible with the GPL. Hence, KDE stuff is bound to a non-free license... I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense considering the other non-free software that is distributed... OK, but what about the KDE folks, then? Why don't the mirrors for KDE have apt-ing setup? -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 B Grafyx http://www.bgrafyx.com L.J.R. Engineering http://www.ljreng.com PHP Interest Group http://www.gigabee.com/pig/
Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 10:38:36PM -0400, B. Szyszka wrote: OK, but what about the KDE folks, then? Why don't the mirrors for KDE have apt-ing setup? Ask them. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpGkbHXPFggw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
[While I am a lawyer, the following is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, contact an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction.] It is not that Qt is incomaptible it is the fact that KDE is linked to software under a non GPL license and KDE is under the GPL. This violates the GPL. See http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008 for all the specifics. Keep in mind that this is for Qt v1, Qt v2 is under a different license so things are starting to change for the better. This is a common misunderstanding, even among KDE developers. No matter how many times they say it, KDE is *not* GPL, but quasi-GPL. The actions of the developers override the conflicting boilerplate in the GPL, creating a different license. This is basic and ancient law. On the other hand, being that KDE is not GPL, inclusion of other GPL'd software withing KDE could/would/does(?) violate the GPL. The bottom line is that it is legally impossible for the developers to violate their own license. It is, however, possible for them to violate other licenses by including code. --
In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
In case anyone was wondering where the debian mirror at kde.tdyc.com went, here is the email I exchanged with the site admin. On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Todd Suess wrote: This site on your FTP server is missing all the debian unix archives, have they been removed for any particular reason, or is the site having problems? Thanks! Todd Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:11:35 -0700 (MST) From: Scott Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: EVCom Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Ivan Moore Security Help [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FTP Site at kde.tdyc.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII kde.tdyc.com is looking for a home and it is currently distributing only the bare minimum for kde. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the actual kde.tdyc.com administrator. -Scott --- Scott Sawyer - Owner| ph: (520)214-8304 MicroMagic Computer Consulting | 1811 N. Meadowlark Dr Call about Onsite consulting and repair | Flagstaff, AZ 86001 Specializing in linux servers | http://www.micromagic.net ---
RE: In case anyone was wondering where kde.tdyc.com went.
kde.tdyc.com is looking for a home and it is currently distributing only the bare minimum for kde. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the actual kde.tdyc.com administrator. Is there any particular reason why the Debian and/or KDE mirror sites don't offer the apt sources? Getting at least half of the KDE mirrors out there to mirror the apt sources would be heaven. Gnome has a buttload of apt sources, why can't KDE? -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 B Grafyx http://www.bgrafyx.com L.J.R. Engineering http://www.ljreng.com PHP Interest Group http://www.gigabee.com/pig/
